. I think
there is a plan like this in some RIRs
- Original Message -
From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com
To: George Bonser gbon...@seven.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, 1 October, 2010 4:03:56 PM
Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27
Ronald,
It's not so much a matter of whether ARIN cares or whether ARIN wants
to do something about your issue. It's more a matter of whether ARIN
is empowered to do anything at all about your issue.
ARIN is a registry. They don't run routers (outside of a small handfull
of them that provide
In message b3543192-fb22-4cdc-84d0-2944ea237...@delong.com,
Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
It's not so much a matter of whether ARIN cares or whether ARIN wants
to do something about your issue. It's more a matter of whether ARIN
is empowered to do anything at all about your issue.
That is
Come one mate, there's no need to be just outright insulting people.
Sure everyone disagrees on some things, but still...
Lets play out this scenario then. What would you recommend ARIN actually do?
I don't mean 'take a stance' or 'have an opinion', but rather what
process should in your mind
I sent an abuse complaint to Mr. Curran and the abuse helpdesk about a
month or two ago. Took weeks to get an initial response from the
helpdesk and i'm not certain they have actually done anything yet.
Jeff
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Heath Jones hj1...@gmail.com wrote:
Come one mate,
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:10:12AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
No, it's kind of like asking the DMV whether the car belongs to the thief
or to someone else. They keep the records for Christ's sake! They *can*
take a position on that rudumentary, simple, and basic question, and they
As to what ARIN can 'do' about addresses that are unused/abandoned and
later hijacked...
ARIN delegates Reverse DNS for every allocation that they make. Address
blocks that are reported, investigated, and determined to be
unused/abandoned could be delegated to special ARIN name servers
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 08:47:29AM -0400, David Miller wrote:
As to what ARIN can 'do' about addresses that are unused/abandoned and
later hijacked...
ARIN delegates Reverse DNS for every allocation that they make. Address
blocks that are reported, investigated, and determined to be
On 10/1/2010 9:07 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 08:47:29AM -0400, David Miller wrote:
As to what ARIN can 'do' about addresses that are unused/abandoned and
later hijacked...
ARIN delegates Reverse DNS for every allocation that they make. Address
blocks
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:07 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
\ I -think- what you are really after is the (fairly) new rPKI
pilot - where there are crypto-keys tied to each delegated
prefix. If the keys are valid, then ARIN (or other RIR) has
sanctioned
On 10/1/2010 5:22 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
really too much to ask? They could say, to everyone involved, and to
the community as a whole, ``This ain't right. *We* maintain the official
allocation records. In most cases, *we* made the allocations, and that
guy should NOT be announcing
So what you're saying is that ARIN should publish data on the rightful
users of the number resources in some online database?
(maybe they could call it WHOIS)
--
Dave
So ARIN is in the process of verifying their contacts database.
Organizations with an unreachable contact might be a
In message 20101001123356.ga10...@vacation.karoshi.com.,
bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:10:12AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
No, it's kind of like asking the DMV whether the car belongs to the thief
or to someone else. They keep the records for
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:32 AM, David Miller dmil...@tiggee.com wrote:
I am merely refuting the statement, which I have heard many times in many
different forums, that ARIN (or any RIR) makes address allocations and then
walks away with no further active involvement in the use of these
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 11:07:58AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
In message 20101001123356.ga10...@vacation.karoshi.com.,
bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 04:10:12AM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
No, it's kind of like asking the DMV whether the car
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:22 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Nope! Apparently, ARIN's fraud reporting form is only to be used for
reporting cases where somebody has fiddled one of ARIN's whois records
in a fradulent way. If somebody just waltzes in and starts announcing a
bunch of routes to a
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Are you suggesting that ARIN does _NOT_ publish data or that
ARIN doesn't keep the data current, or something else?
I already said what I meant, twice, and quite clearly, I think.
If you don't get it after two repetitions, then I
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 06:45:10 -0400, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
It's not so much a matter of whether ARIN cares or whether ARIN wants
to do something about your issue. It's more a matter of whether ARIN
is empowered to do anything at all about your issue.
EXACTLY.
Ron, what exactly do
On 10/1/2010 2:17 PM, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:32 AM, David Millerdmil...@tiggee.com wrote:
I am merely refuting the statement, which I have heard many times in many
different forums, that ARIN (or any RIR) makes address allocations and then
walks away with no further
-Original Message-
From: Ricky Beam
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:00 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 06:45:10 -0400, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com
wrote:
It's not so much a matter of whether ARIN
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:27 PM, George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote:
The problem as I see it is that ARIN is responsible for issuing number
resources but is not responsible for any maintenance of the number
space. It seems they have no requirement/method/need to revoke
assignments once the
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:43 PM, John Curran wrote:
Resources being used by actual defunct organizations we will reclaim if
reported.
Folks -
It occurred to me that I could have been clearer, so here I am replying
to myself...
When we at ARIN can readily determine that an organization is
Thanks John,
On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, John Curran wrote:
On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:43 PM, John Curran wrote:
Resources being used by actual defunct organizations we will reclaim if
reported.
Folks -
It occurred to me that I could have been clearer, so here I am replying
to myself...
When we at
On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27 PM, George Bonser wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Ricky Beam
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:00 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 06:45:10 -0400, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com
Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27 PM, George Bonser wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Ricky Beam
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:00 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
In the case
In message 608b18db-6e75-4b5e-ba42-d1f69ece4...@arin.net,
John Curran wrote:
You note the following:
They could say, to everyone involved, and to the community as a whole,
``This ain't right. *We* maintain the official allocation records.
In most cases, *we* made the allocations, and that
-Original Message-
From: Owen DeLong
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 4:04 PM
To: George Bonser
Cc: Ricky Beam; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: ARIN Fraud Reporting Form ... Don't waste your time
On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:27 PM, George Bonser wrote:
They do, indeed, for space
They do, indeed, for space that is/was issued by ARIN. That space is
subject to annual fees and there is a clear and consistent method
for doing so. The bigger problem is with legacy space (most of the
space listed in the complaint we are discussing, if not all).
In the case of legacy
In message 67ef8ee2-8b1e-45f9-892e-9e6b88adb...@arin.net,
John Curran jcur...@arin.net wrote:
Resources being used by actual defunct organizations we will reclaim if
reported.
Well, fortunately, Joytel and some of their fellow travelers have just
recently gone 'round and identified a whole
In message 5a6d953473350c4b9995546afe9939ee0a52b...@rwc-ex1.corp.seven.com,
George Bonser gbon...@seven.com wrote:
So ARIN is in the process of verifying their contacts database.
Organizations with an unreachable contact might be a good place to plant
a dig here sign.
Fyi --
They (ARIN)
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