Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

> On 7 Apr 2022, at 12:31 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > Certainly ARIN can do anything to its registry that is within policy. The > question is what happens when someone who never signed a contract with ARIN > continues to use those resources as internet numbers and announces the

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

On 7 Apr 2022, at 12:17 PM, Owen DeLong via NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote: So this proactive registering to vote is being imposed on all new LIR organizations as well? New ARIN customers are automatically service members, and can opt (via ARIN Online) to become a general member if they

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

> On Apr 7, 2022, at 08:16 , John Curran wrote: > > On 7 Apr 2022, at 1:58 AM, Owen DeLong via NANOG > wrote: >> … >> Yes, but if you don’t have a contract with ARIN, ARIN’s ability to revoke >> your resources because the community decided it might be fun is >>

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

> On Apr 7, 2022, at 07:25 , John Curran wrote: > > >> On 7 Apr 2022, at 2:08 AM, Owen DeLong > > wrote: >> >>> Indeed - you only emphasize why it is important for organizations to get >>> involved in ARIN’s governance… It is not intended that your sole >>>

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

On 7 Apr 2022, at 1:58 AM, Owen DeLong via NANOG mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> wrote: … Yes, but if you don’t have a contract with ARIN, ARIN’s ability to revoke your resources because the community decided it might be fun is significantly less certain for ARIN at best and highly unlikely at worst.

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

On 7 Apr 2022, at 2:08 AM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: Indeed - you only emphasize why it is important for organizations to get involved in ARIN’s governance… It is not intended that your sole interaction with ARIN be via contractual mechanisms, but rather that network

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

> > Indeed - you only emphasize why it is important for organizations to get > involved in ARIN’s governance… It is not intended that your sole interaction > with ARIN be via contractual mechanisms, but rather that network operators > actually participate as members of the organization.

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

> On Apr 6, 2022, at 04:48 , John Curran wrote: > > On 5 Apr 2022, at 11:57 PM, William Herrin > wrote: >> >> On 5 Apr 2022, at 8:38 PM, Dan Mahoney (Gushi) > > wrote: >>> But say they sign an LRSA: Those $0 fees would go up to 150, this

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

On 6 Apr 2022, at 1:32 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:48 AM John Curran wrote: >> On 5 Apr 2022, at 11:57 PM, William Herrin wrote: >>> My objection lies in having ARIN's RSA adhere to my address block >>> overall. I may feel differently about ARIN next year than I do

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 4:48 AM John Curran wrote: > On 5 Apr 2022, at 11:57 PM, William Herrin wrote: >> My objection lies in having ARIN's RSA adhere to my address block >> overall. I may feel differently about ARIN next year than I do this >> year but once I've signed that RSA, well, that's

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

On 5 Apr 2022, at 11:57 PM, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: On 5 Apr 2022, at 8:38 PM, Dan Mahoney (Gushi) mailto:d...@prime.gushi.org>> wrote: But say they sign an LRSA: Those $0 fees would go up to 150, this year, 175 next year, 200 the following...250 in year five... to be

Re: ARIN fee structure (was: re: 2749 routes AT RISK - Re: TIMELY/IMPORTANT)

On 5 Apr 2022, at 8:38 PM, Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote: > But say they sign an LRSA: Those $0 fees would go up to 150, this year, 175 > next year, 200 the following...250 in year five... to be able to simply add > DNSSEC, RPKI, and Validated IRR. Hi Dan, Speaking for myself, I'd be happy to pay