Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[nanog]

At the risk of pointing out the obvious, only a small percentage of 
people would be expected to use the 25Mbps plan. It sounds pretty 
typical: if you want access to all the money in this lucrative market, 
you have to cover the whole market, even at the very lowest end where 
you'll lose money, but that's worth it to access the rest of the market 
where you make money.


Of course, some people are just allergic to the concept of government. 
And it's in most business's best interests to ensure that as many people 
as possible are that way, so they'll sometimes take measures like 
pretending they can't afford to spend $X million to comply with the 
regulation even though they also miss out on $YYY million in profit.


And if they can avoid the regulation while staying in the market at the 
same time, even better.



On 16/01/25 20:59, John Von Essen wrote:

I dont normally defend ATT, but…

/"The plans are specifically priced at $15 per month for 25 Megabits 
per second (Mbps) download speeds and $20 per month for 200 Mbps. 
These prices must include recurring taxes, equipment rental fees, and 
other usage fees, with annual price increases capped at 2%."/


$15/month for 25Mbps, and that price includes all equipment fees and 
taxes? Thats a little ridiculous given inflation and general cost of 
living. If it were $25/month - then maybe ATT should make it work, but 
$15 is too low.


-John



On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:27 AM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote:

I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet 
mandate that recently went into effect.


https://broadbandbreakfast.com/new-yorks-15-broadband-law-takes-effect-wednesday/





On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote:

Mike-

What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here 
that caused this action?


On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and 
businesses pull out.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com

From: "Robert DeVita" 
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
Subject: AT&t ABF NYC

FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York.

What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY
AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their 
current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other 
options for broadband service.
 Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25, when their 
ABF services will be disconnected:

• Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
• Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
• Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25
Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to 
inform them of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 
12-month contract or migrate to AWB or ADI.
 AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. 
AIA-B and ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations and 
states. We value our customers and AT&T will continue to support 
policies that promote capital investment, innovation and a 
competitive market.



Get Outlook for iOS

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Dorn Hetzel]

Given the income requirements, what percentage of households in the
affected area are expected to qualify for these rates?

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 4:19 PM Tom Beecher  wrote:

> I dont normally defend ATT, but…
>>
>> *"The plans are specifically priced at $15 per month for 25 Megabits per
>> second (Mbps) download speeds and $20 per month for 200 Mbps. These prices
>> must include recurring taxes, equipment rental fees, and other usage fees,
>> with annual price increases capped at 2%."*
>>
>> $15/month for 25Mbps, and that price includes all equipment fees and
>> taxes? Thats a little ridiculous given inflation and general cost of
>> living. If it were $25/month - then maybe ATT should make it work, but $15
>> is too low.
>
>
> So that's close, but not 100%.
>
> - Any plan 25Mb - 199Mb must be $15 a month , inclusive of all fees,
> including equipment.
> - Any plan 200Mb+ must be $20 a month , but the provider MAY charge
> equipment rental + taxes and fees on top .
>
> My understanding (from some ISP friends that lobbied on this) is that the
> 200Mb/$20 plan was a carrot to get ISPs to raise that minimum bandwidth
> floor , since most would very much want to keep charging equipment fees. I
> am in full agreement that $15 all in is a silly low number, doubly low if
> you can't recoup equipment.
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 3:02 PM John Von Essen  wrote:
>
>> I dont normally defend ATT, but…
>>
>> *"The plans are specifically priced at $15 per month for 25 Megabits per
>> second (Mbps) download speeds and $20 per month for 200 Mbps. These prices
>> must include recurring taxes, equipment rental fees, and other usage fees,
>> with annual price increases capped at 2%."*
>>
>> $15/month for 25Mbps, and that price includes all equipment fees and
>> taxes? Thats a little ridiculous given inflation and general cost of
>> living. If it were $25/month - then maybe ATT should make it work, but $15
>> is too low.
>>
>> -John
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:27 AM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote:
>>
>> I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet
>> mandate that recently went into effect.
>>
>>
>> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/new-yorks-15-broadband-law-takes-effect-wednesday/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote:
>>
>> Mike-
>>
>> What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that
>> caused this action?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and
>> businesses pull out.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> From: "Robert DeVita" 
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
>> Subject: AT&t ABF NYC
>>
>> FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York.
>>
>> What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY
>>   AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their
>> current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options
>> for broadband service.
>>  Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25, when their ABF
>> services will be disconnected:
>> • Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
>> • Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
>> • Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25
>> Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to
>> inform them of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month
>> contract or migrate to AWB or ADI.
>>  AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B
>> and ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We
>> value our customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote
>> capital investment, innovation and a competitive market.
>>
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>>
>>
>>

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Tom Beecher]

>
> I dont normally defend ATT, but…
>
> *"The plans are specifically priced at $15 per month for 25 Megabits per
> second (Mbps) download speeds and $20 per month for 200 Mbps. These prices
> must include recurring taxes, equipment rental fees, and other usage fees,
> with annual price increases capped at 2%."*
>
> $15/month for 25Mbps, and that price includes all equipment fees and
> taxes? Thats a little ridiculous given inflation and general cost of
> living. If it were $25/month - then maybe ATT should make it work, but $15
> is too low.


So that's close, but not 100%.

- Any plan 25Mb - 199Mb must be $15 a month , inclusive of all fees,
including equipment.
- Any plan 200Mb+ must be $20 a month , but the provider MAY charge
equipment rental + taxes and fees on top .

My understanding (from some ISP friends that lobbied on this) is that the
200Mb/$20 plan was a carrot to get ISPs to raise that minimum bandwidth
floor , since most would very much want to keep charging equipment fees. I
am in full agreement that $15 all in is a silly low number, doubly low if
you can't recoup equipment.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 3:02 PM John Von Essen  wrote:

> I dont normally defend ATT, but…
>
> *"The plans are specifically priced at $15 per month for 25 Megabits per
> second (Mbps) download speeds and $20 per month for 200 Mbps. These prices
> must include recurring taxes, equipment rental fees, and other usage fees,
> with annual price increases capped at 2%."*
>
> $15/month for 25Mbps, and that price includes all equipment fees and
> taxes? Thats a little ridiculous given inflation and general cost of
> living. If it were $25/month - then maybe ATT should make it work, but $15
> is too low.
>
> -John
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:27 AM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote:
>
> I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet
> mandate that recently went into effect.
>
>
> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/new-yorks-15-broadband-law-takes-effect-wednesday/
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote:
>
> Mike-
>
> What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that
> caused this action?
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
> Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and
> businesses pull out.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> From: "Robert DeVita" 
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
> Subject: AT&t ABF NYC
>
> FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York.
>
> What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY
>   AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their
> current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options
> for broadband service.
>  Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25, when their ABF
> services will be disconnected:
> • Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
> • Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
> • Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25
> Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform
> them of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month contract
> or migrate to AWB or ADI.
>  AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and
> ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value
> our customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote
> capital investment, innovation and a competitive market.
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
>
>
>

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[John Von Essen]

I dont normally defend ATT, but…

"The plans are specifically priced at $15 per month for 25 Megabits per second 
(Mbps) download speeds and $20 per month for 200 Mbps. These prices must 
include recurring taxes, equipment rental fees, and other usage fees, with 
annual price increases capped at 2%."

$15/month for 25Mbps, and that price includes all equipment fees and taxes? 
Thats a little ridiculous given inflation and general cost of living. If it 
were $25/month - then maybe ATT should make it work, but $15 is too low.

-John


> On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:27 AM, sro...@ronan-online.com wrote:
> 
> I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet mandate 
> that recently went into effect.
> 
> https://broadbandbreakfast.com/new-yorks-15-broadband-law-takes-effect-wednesday/
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote:
>> 
>> Mike-
>> 
>> What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that 
>> caused this action? 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and 
>> businesses pull out.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>> 
>> From: "Robert DeVita" 
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
>> Subject: AT&t ABF NYC
>> 
>> FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York. 
>> 
>> What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY
>>   AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their 
>> current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options 
>> for broadband service.
>>  Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25, when their ABF 
>> services will be disconnected:
>> • Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
>> • Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
>> • Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25
>> Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform 
>> them of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month contract 
>> or migrate to AWB or ADI.
>>  AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and 
>> ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value 
>> our customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote 
>> capital investment, innovation and a competitive market.
>> 
>> 
>> Get Outlook for iOS
>> 

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Dan Stralka]

Can anyone explain the correlation here?  ABF primarily exists in
commercial buildings. Fixed wireless would ride off of capacity and
backhaul deployed for mobile service, which they are continuing to sell.
Does the law cover commercial entities or just personal accounts?

It seems retaliatory and not well thought out. ABF comes in via separate
infrastructure from ADI, so they're abandoning equipment. And I don't see a
cost savings for removing business 5G plans. You still have 5G towers.

Dan

(end)

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025, 13:19 Robert DeVita  wrote:

> Correct. Here is that announcement..
>
> We are committed to providing reliable and affordable internet service to
> customers across the country. However, the New York Affordable Broadband
> Act imposes harmful rate regulations. These regulations make it
> uneconomical for AT&T to invest in and expand our broadband infrastructure
> in the state. The Act requires certain Internet Service Providers to offer
> $15/mo. internet service to qualifying NY residents.
>
>
>
> *As a result, effective 1/15/25, we will no longer offer AT&T Internet Air
> for Business (AIA-B), our fixed-wireless internet service, or new AT&T
> Business Fiber (ABF) to New York customers. Ordering and qualification
> systems now reflect this change.*
>
>
>
> *What's Happening with Existing AIA-B Customers in NY*
>
>
>
> Customers can keep their existing AIA-B service until 3/1/25 at no charge.
>
> Customers *must do one of the following before 3/1/25*, when their AIA-B
> services will be disconnected:
>
>- Switch to AT&T Wireless Broadband (AWB) with special promotional
>pricing
>
> <https://workshop-email-tracking.com/c/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6ImV5SmxiV0ZwYkV4cGJtdEpaQ0k2SW1Nd1l6UmlNMlF4TFdReFlqSXROR1k1WkMwNU1USTFMVEkwWmpJeFlXSXhZVFptTmlJc0luSmxZV1JTWldObGFYQjBTV1FpT2lKaE56QTVOMlF4WkMwM01qVm1MVFEyTUdFdFltSXhaaTB6TXpNeE5tRXpPVFV3WXpFaWZRPT0iLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6ImVtYWlsX2FuYWx5dGljcyJ9fQ%3D%3D--af6a0951fc0eae7fecf946c06af98c8f8ad8609ed0f0a1a2a2aa4fa130a2ce91>
>- Take no action, and their AIA-B services will be disconnected 3/1/25
>
> Existing customers are being contacted via email, direct mail, and bill
> message to inform them of the changes and offer the option to migrate to
> AWB.
>
>
> ------------------
> *From:* NANOG  on behalf
> of Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 16, 2025 9:56 AM
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org 
> *Subject:* Re: AT&t ABF NYC
>
> Yes, and that AT&T already said they were pulling their "fixed wireless"
> service out of New York State for that very reason.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> --
> *From: *sro...@ronan-online.com
> *To: *"Tom Beecher" 
> *Cc: *"Mike Hammett" , nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:27:39 AM
> *Subject: *Re: AT&t ABF NYC
>
> I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet
> mandate that recently went into effect.
>
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote:
>
> 
> Mike-
>
> What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that
> caused this action?
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and
> businesses pull out.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Robert DeVita" 
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
> *Subject: *AT&t ABF NYC
>
> FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York.
>
> *What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY*
>
>
>
> AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their
> current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options
> for broadband service.
>
>
>
> Customers *must do one of the following before 3/1/25*, when their ABF
> services will be disconnected:
>
>- Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
>- Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
>- Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25
>
> Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform
> them of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month contract
> or migrate to AWB or ADI.
>
>
>
> AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and
> ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value
> our customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote
> capital investment, innovation and a competitive market.
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>
>
>

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[sronan]

I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet mandate that recently went into effect.New York's $15 Broadband Law Takes Effect Wednesdaybroadbandbreakfast.comOn Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote:Mike-What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that caused this action? On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and businesses pull out.-Mike HammettIntelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.comMidwest-IXhttp://www.midwest-ix.comFrom: "Robert DeVita" To: nanog@nanog.orgSent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AMSubject: AT&t ABF NYC






FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York. 




















What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY

















 
















AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as
 they find other options for broadband service.
 
Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25,
 when their ABF services will be disconnected:


Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25
Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform them of the changes and offer the option to either
 sign a 12-month contract or migrate to AWB or ADI.
 
AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations
 and states. We value our customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote capital investment, innovation and a competitive market.





















Get Outlook for iOS

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Mike Hammett]

Yes, and that AT&T already said they were pulling their "fixed wireless" 
service out of New York State for that very reason. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: sro...@ronan-online.com 
To: "Tom Beecher"  
Cc: "Mike Hammett" , nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:27:39 AM 
Subject: Re: AT&t ABF NYC 



I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet mandate 
that recently went into effect. 




rory-christian-1.jpg


New York's $15 Broadband Law Takes Effect Wednesday 
broadbandbreakfast.com 






On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote: 







Mike- 


What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that 
caused this action? 


On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and businesses 
pull out. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 



From: "Robert DeVita" < radev...@mejeticks.com > 
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM 
Subject: AT&t ABF NYC 



FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York. 










What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY 








AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their current 
ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options for 
broadband service. 

Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25 , when their ABF services 
will be disconnected: 

* Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates 
* Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing 
* Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25 

Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform them 
of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month contract or 
migrate to AWB or ADI. 

AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and ABF 
are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value our 
customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote capital 
investment, innovation and a competitive market. 



Get Outlook for iOS 

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Tom Beecher]

Yup.

Claims that AT&T is 'pulling out of NYS' because of this is comically
misinformed.  Reviewing the facts:

1. ISPs are required to offer low income consumers, defined as eligible for
free/reduced priced lunch through the National School Lunch Program, or
income of less than 185% of the federal poverty level. ( The school lunch
limit is also currently 185% of the federal poverty level. ) Currently
$27800 - $47800 for a family size of 1-3.
2. The service must be at least 25Mb or equal to the speed that provider
currently offers on any low-income services offered in NYS. [ Loophole ]
3. If the service is less than 200Mb, the ISP can charge $15 all in.
(Taxes, fees etc. )
4. If the service is 200Mb or more, the ISP can charge $20 PLUS Equipment
rental fees and taxes.  [ Loophole ]

The $15 tier with no accomodation for equipment is, in my opinion, a raw
deal for the ISPs. However a big loophole exists, that was intentional in
the drafting of the bill; the 200Mb clause.

All an ISP has to do is move their baseline low-income service to 200Mb ,
and they can continue to charge equipment rental on top of the monthy
service. And as we all know, equipment rental is a nice little profit line.

Now, some addition state context.
1. NYS guidance has already come out that states ISP are only required to
offer this anywhere they already offer services. Meaning ISPs are not
required to new build outs just to provide low-income service.
2. Almost all municipalities in NYS have already required ISPs to
offer services with very simialr requirements in their franchise agreements
for the better part of 20 years.
3. The prime ISP objection to this bill was that the franchise agreements
were individually negotiated, so they could always work favorable terms in.
They didn't want a blanket law for the state that they couldn't
renegotiate.
4. The law states that ISPs must take 'reasonable efforts' to make the
avalability of these services known to consumers. That's already been in
franchise agreements for decades, and given 'reasonable efforts' are ill
defined, it's effectively unenforcable.

So in summary, Mike, no, this isn't 'government getting involved in things
they don't understand'. This is mostly a statewide codification of things
that have already been happening in the state of NY for 2 decades. It's
also not true that AT&T is pulling out of the state. They are simply
pushing to move people around to service offerings that fall outside the
scope the the law to avoid it's requirements.

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 10:21 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> New York Affordable Broadband Act
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/new-york-starts-enforcing-15-broadband-law-that-isps-tried-to-kill/
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:24 AM Tom Beecher  wrote:
>
>> Mike-
>>
>> What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that
>> caused this action?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and
>>> businesses pull out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> Midwest-IX
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert DeVita" 
>>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
>>> *Subject: *AT&t ABF NYC
>>>
>>> FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York.
>>>
>>> *What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their
>>> current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options
>>> for broadband service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Customers *must do one of the following before 3/1/25*, when their ABF
>>> services will be disconnected:
>>>
>>>- Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
>>>- Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard
>>>pricing
>>>- Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on
>>>3/1/25
>>>
>>> Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to
>>> inform them of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month
>>> contract or migrate to AWB or ADI.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B
>>> and ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We
>>> value our customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote
>>> capital investment, innovation and a competitive market.
>>>
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>>
>>>

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Josh Luthman]

New York Affordable Broadband Act

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/01/new-york-starts-enforcing-15-broadband-law-that-isps-tried-to-kill/

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:24 AM Tom Beecher  wrote:

> Mike-
>
> What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that
> caused this action?
>
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and
>> businesses pull out.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> Midwest-IX
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Robert DeVita" 
>> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
>> *Subject: *AT&t ABF NYC
>>
>> FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York.
>>
>> *What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY*
>>
>>
>>
>> AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their
>> current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options
>> for broadband service.
>>
>>
>>
>> Customers *must do one of the following before 3/1/25*, when their ABF
>> services will be disconnected:
>>
>>- Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
>>- Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
>>- Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on
>>3/1/25
>>
>> Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to
>> inform them of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month
>> contract or migrate to AWB or ADI.
>>
>>
>>
>> AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and
>> ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value
>> our customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote
>> capital investment, innovation and a competitive market.
>>
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>
>>

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Robert DeVita]

Correct. Here is that announcement..


We are committed to providing reliable and affordable internet service to 
customers across the country. However, the New York Affordable Broadband Act 
imposes harmful rate regulations. These regulations make it uneconomical for 
AT&T to invest in and expand our broadband infrastructure in the state. The Act 
requires certain Internet Service Providers to offer $15/mo. internet service 
to qualifying NY residents.



As a result, effective 1/15/25, we will no longer offer AT&T Internet Air for 
Business (AIA-B), our fixed-wireless internet service, or new AT&T Business 
Fiber (ABF) to New York customers. Ordering and qualification systems now 
reflect this change.



What's Happening with Existing AIA-B Customers in NY



Customers can keep their existing AIA-B service until 3/1/25 at no charge.

Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25, when their AIA-B services 
will be disconnected:

  *   Switch to AT&T Wireless Broadband (AWB) with special promotional 
pricing<https://workshop-email-tracking.com/c/eyJfcmFpbHMiOnsibWVzc2FnZSI6ImV5SmxiV0ZwYkV4cGJtdEpaQ0k2SW1Nd1l6UmlNMlF4TFdReFlqSXROR1k1WkMwNU1USTFMVEkwWmpJeFlXSXhZVFptTmlJc0luSmxZV1JTWldObGFYQjBTV1FpT2lKaE56QTVOMlF4WkMwM01qVm1MVFEyTUdFdFltSXhaaTB6TXpNeE5tRXpPVFV3WXpFaWZRPT0iLCJleHAiOm51bGwsInB1ciI6ImVtYWlsX2FuYWx5dGljcyJ9fQ%3D%3D--af6a0951fc0eae7fecf946c06af98c8f8ad8609ed0f0a1a2a2aa4fa130a2ce91>
  *   Take no action, and their AIA-B services will be disconnected 3/1/25

Existing customers are being contacted via email, direct mail, and bill message 
to inform them of the changes and offer the option to migrate to AWB.



From: NANOG  on behalf of Mike 
Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 9:56 AM
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: AT&t ABF NYC

Yes, and that AT&T already said they were pulling their "fixed wireless" 
service out of New York State for that very reason.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com


From: sro...@ronan-online.com
To: "Tom Beecher" 
Cc: "Mike Hammett" , nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:27:39 AM
Subject: Re: AT&t ABF NYC

I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet mandate 
that recently went into effect.



On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote:


Mike-

What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that 
caused this action?

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett 
mailto:na...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and businesses 
pull out.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com<http://www.ics-il.com/>

Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>


From: "Robert DeVita" mailto:radev...@mejeticks.com>>
To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
Subject: AT&t ABF NYC

FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York.


What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY



AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their current 
ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options for 
broadband service.



Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25, when their ABF services 
will be disconnected:

  *   Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
  *   Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
  *   Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25

Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform them 
of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month contract or 
migrate to AWB or ADI.



AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and ABF 
are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value our 
customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote capital 
investment, innovation and a competitive market.


Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Mike Hammett]

Yes, and that AT&T already said they were pulling their "fixed wireless" 
service out of New York State for that very reason. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: sro...@ronan-online.com 
To: "Tom Beecher"  
Cc: "Mike Hammett" , nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:27:39 AM 
Subject: Re: AT&t ABF NYC 



I’m assuming he’s referring to the New York State low income Internet mandate 
that recently went into effect. 







On Jan 16, 2025, at 9:25 AM, Tom Beecher  wrote: 







Mike- 


What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that 
caused this action? 


On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and businesses 
pull out. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 



From: "Robert DeVita" < radev...@mejeticks.com > 
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM 
Subject: AT&t ABF NYC 



FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York. 










What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY 








AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their current 
ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options for 
broadband service. 

Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25 , when their ABF services 
will be disconnected: 

* Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates 
* Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing 
* Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25 

Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform them 
of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month contract or 
migrate to AWB or ADI. 

AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and ABF 
are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value our 
customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote capital 
investment, innovation and a competitive market. 



Get Outlook for iOS 

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Tom Beecher]

Mike-

What specific government regulation or action are you asserting here that
caused this action?

On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and
> businesses pull out.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Robert DeVita" 
> *To: *nanog@nanog.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM
> *Subject: *AT&t ABF NYC
>
> FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York.
>
> *What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY*
>
>
>
> AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their
> current ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options
> for broadband service.
>
>
>
> Customers *must do one of the following before 3/1/25*, when their ABF
> services will be disconnected:
>
>- Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates
>- Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing
>- Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25
>
> Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform
> them of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month contract
> or migrate to AWB or ADI.
>
>
>
> AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and
> ABF are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value
> our customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote
> capital investment, innovation and a competitive market.
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
>
>

Re: AT&t ABF NYC

[Mike Hammett]

Government gets over involved in things they don't understand, and businesses 
pull out. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Robert DeVita"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2025 8:05:57 AM 
Subject: AT&t ABF NYC 



FYI. AT&T is discontinuing their ABF service in New York. 










What's Happening with Existing ABF Customers in NY 








AT&T Business Fiber customers in New York will be able to keep their current 
ABF service until March 1 at no charge, as they find other options for 
broadband service. 

Customers must do one of the following before 3/1/25 , when their ABF services 
will be disconnected: 

* Sign a 12-month contract for existing ABF services at current rates 
* Switch to AT&T Dedicated Internet (ADI) or AWB with standard pricing 
* Take no action, and their ABF services will be disconnected on 3/1/25 

Existing customers are being contacted via email and direct mail to inform them 
of the changes and offer the option to either sign a 12-month contract or 
migrate to AWB or ADI. 

AT&T’s nationwide wireless service will not change in New York. AIA-B and ABF 
are still offered in all other qualified locations and states. We value our 
customers and AT&T will continue to support policies that promote capital 
investment, innovation and a competitive market. 



Get Outlook for iOS