Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
Carrier oem churn (turnover /agitation cycles) First mover for features happen and leapfrog but the ones that matter get adopted across the line in time. On May 7, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: What churn rates are you talking about? Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/07/2015 05:36 PM, Watson, Bob wrote: Many of these churn rates result from problems self inflicted hence all the dramatic sdn promises, popularity in abstractions, Api all the things, let's go yang/netconf and retrofit every ietf standard. There's benefits but gotta rant a little. What's better than correct? Well over correct of course. On May 7, 2015, at 12:17 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: You know where these people wouldn't fit? W/ISPs. Every three years or so you are forklifting the majority of your wireless PtMP for either a new series or a totally different vendor. New backhaul vendors often. You're building AC and DC power plants. You likely touch Cisco, juniper, HP, mikrotik, ubiquiti, Linux, windows, *BSD/pfsense, lucent, accedian/ciena, etc due to various client and network requirements all in the same week, AND you have to make them work together nicely :) It's not the environment for somebody like that, and I truly don't understand how people of that.. caliber end up working on large scale WANs and global transit networks. Frankly, it scares me a bit. On May 7, 2015 9:07:35 AM AKDT, Craig cvulja...@gmail.com wrote: we do cry when we interview people that claim to have advanced knowledge of BGP and we ask them some very basic BGP questions, and we get a blank stare. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. If that bothers you, I recommend you not look at what passes for a system administrator these days. It will make you cry. -r -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. It's definitely quite different from the CLI. I'm still dabbling, but the guys here who have been through the training and are immersed in it really like it. We're using a couple for feature-rich BNG - lots of MLPPP at high bandwidths (for broadband), heavyweight QoS, BGP to the CE, etc. It's very controllable by RADIUS - template configs that you can fill in the values for, rather than the Cisco approach of AVPs with pages of config in. ALU have an e-learning SR-OS introduction course, which is going down pretty well for jump-starting our Ops people. Regards, Tim.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
LOL :) On May 7, 2015 9:38:15 AM AKDT, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: More like at least be willing to man up and learn your way around some platform other than RHEL without whining if there is a business need for it. -r Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: *grumble, grumble, grumble* Get off my lawn! :) On May 7, 2015 8:49:43 AM AKDT, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. If that bothers you, I recommend you not look at what passes for a system administrator these days. It will make you cry. -r -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
+1 for the command structure and configuration being pretty simple to follow if you're used to a Cisco or Juniper. In the main they are pretty good at what they do I guess but I'm not sure whether or not we're having seriously bad luck or there's something else a miss but sadly we've had a near 50% hardware failure rate on some of the cards we have deployed in our 7750 SR12 infrastructure. Reply off list if you need any more information. Mick -- Mick O'Donovan | Network Engineer | BT Ireland | Website: http://www.btireland.net Looking Glass: http://lg.as2110.net Peering Record: http://as2110.peeringdb.com AS-SET Macro: AS-BTIRE | ASN: 2110 On 07/05/15 05:29, Phil Bedard wrote: The show stuff is certainly there but the config is a bit different. You may have to get used to using the info command. :) They also use logical IP interfaces which are then tied to physical, you don't directly configure L3 on a physical interface. You also have designations between service and network physical interfaces, although nowadays they can be set as hybrid.. It's really pretty simple if you are used to a Cisco or Juniper. They have tab and ? completion now for both commands as well as elements similar to Junos which is helpful. Phil -Original Message- From: Bob Evans b...@fiberinternetcenter.com Sent: 5/6/2015 11:55 PM To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) I will be getting one to try. I am pretty sure it will support the ol' show ? ,config ? If not that might be a problem :-) Thank You Bob Evans CTO What's the price point of an SR-A4? Comparable to the MX104 or ASR9001? -- Stephen On 2015-05-06 7:13 PM, Craig wrote: If you know Juniper and Cisco, the learning curve isn't so bad to pick up the ALU CLI, after working with it for a brief time, you catch on quickly. Their products are quite impressive, and a # of the carriers, are moving to them and some have already moved to them and are quite happy with their decision. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: They are definitely good for that. We use them in part of our network for something very similar. I am not sure why they aren't mentioned that much. I know that they have been pretty popular in the past couple years. We are planning on using 7750 SR-a4's in the future but right now we mainly have 7750SR7/12s. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
Forgot to send this yesterday… We use them in our networks along with ASR9Ks and MXs. There are a lot of them deployed around the world doing very similar things as ASRs and MXs. The config is more like Juniper than Cisco IMHO. Being kind of the “3rd” vendor they have a tendency to implement features proposed by both Cisco and Juniper faster than Cisco and Juniper when proposed by the other vendor. For instance Segment Routing is a Cisco thing, but ALU has already implemented it in their latest 13.0 software, Juniper is sort of dragging their feet on it because it’s a Cisco thing. Same goes for NG-MVPN (BGP signaled multicast VPN). Cisco dragged their feet on it because it was a Juniper thing, ALU had no issues implementing it much sooner. Most of ALUs innovation is on the MPLS services side. We use them for business VPN (L2 and L3) but the underlying protocols are all standard stuff and interoperate with everything else. Phil -Original Message- From: Colton Conor Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 at 17:48 To: NANOG Subject: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
On May 6, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. It’s not that hard to learn if you know the basics of IP routing. I just did an implementation of A-L 7705 SAR 8s and 18s. Now I really wish that Cisco supported the “info” command. —Chris
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
yep.. its way easier and faster to take a look at what is configured: A:R01configservicevprn# interface to-what-ever-eBGP A:R01configservicevprnif# info -- description L3 Ckt ID: enable-ingress-stats cpu-protection 231 address 299.299.299.299/30 cflowd interface ipv6 address 2001::x::x/126 exit sap 1/1/2 create cpu-protection 231 ingress filter ip 3356 filter ipv6 3356 flowspec exit exit -- On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Chris Boyd cb...@gizmopartners.com wrote: On May 6, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. It’s not that hard to learn if you know the basics of IP routing. I just did an implementation of A-L 7705 SAR 8s and 18s. Now I really wish that Cisco supported the “info” command. —Chris
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. If that bothers you, I recommend you not look at what passes for a system administrator these days. It will make you cry. -r
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. I'd half-agree :) Making it's different in and of itself a reason not to use a particular vendor does seem to head towards laziness. But with the best will in the world, your good engineers *will* be slower until they familiarise with the new mind-maps (particularly things like the logical/physical split, SAPs, etc on the ALU) and the new magic words - although hopefully they'll be excited to learn something new too. Your weaker engineers are going to need more of a push and/or some help, and the further towards helpdesk and scripts you get, the more you're going to need to provide training - be that internal, external, new scripts and cribs sheets or whatever. That's an impact and cost it's unwise to ignore. Regards, Tim.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
*grumble, grumble, grumble* Get off my lawn! :) On May 7, 2015 8:49:43 AM AKDT, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. If that bothers you, I recommend you not look at what passes for a system administrator these days. It will make you cry. -r -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
And if you ever need to find out what can commands exist for a certain string xxx tree flat detail | match xxx is a huge helper when learning. e.g. A:router# tree flat detail | match aspath-regex show router bgp routes [family [type mvpn-type]] aspath-regex reg-ex show router bgp routes [family [l2vpn-type]] aspath-regex reg-ex On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 9:16 AM, Craig cvulja...@gmail.com wrote: yep.. its way easier and faster to take a look at what is configured: A:R01configservicevprn# interface to-what-ever-eBGP A:R01configservicevprnif# info -- description L3 Ckt ID: enable-ingress-stats cpu-protection 231 address 299.299.299.299/30 cflowd interface ipv6 address 2001::x::x/126 exit sap 1/1/2 create cpu-protection 231 ingress filter ip 3356 filter ipv6 3356 flowspec exit exit -- On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Chris Boyd cb...@gizmopartners.com wrote: On May 6, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. It’s not that hard to learn if you know the basics of IP routing. I just did an implementation of A-L 7705 SAR 8s and 18s. Now I really wish that Cisco supported the “info” command. —Chris -- *Trent Farrell* *Riot Games* *IP Network Engineer* E: tfarr...@riotgames.com | IE: +353 83 446 6809 | US: +1 424 285 9825 Summoner name: Foro
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. On May 7, 2015 1:12:11 AM AKDT, Tim Franklin t...@pelican.org wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. It's definitely quite different from the CLI. I'm still dabbling, but the guys here who have been through the training and are immersed in it really like it. We're using a couple for feature-rich BNG - lots of MLPPP at high bandwidths (for broadband), heavyweight QoS, BGP to the CE, etc. It's very controllable by RADIUS - template configs that you can fill in the values for, rather than the Cisco approach of AVPs with pages of config in. ALU have an e-learning SR-OS introduction course, which is going down pretty well for jump-starting our Ops people. Regards, Tim. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
we do cry when we interview people that claim to have advanced knowledge of BGP and we ask them some very basic BGP questions, and we get a blank stare. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. If that bothers you, I recommend you not look at what passes for a system administrator these days. It will make you cry. -r
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
You know where these people wouldn't fit? W/ISPs. Every three years or so you are forklifting the majority of your wireless PtMP for either a new series or a totally different vendor. New backhaul vendors often. You're building AC and DC power plants. You likely touch Cisco, juniper, HP, mikrotik, ubiquiti, Linux, windows, *BSD/pfsense, lucent, accedian/ciena, etc due to various client and network requirements all in the same week, AND you have to make them work together nicely :) It's not the environment for somebody like that, and I truly don't understand how people of that.. caliber end up working on large scale WANs and global transit networks. Frankly, it scares me a bit. On May 7, 2015 9:07:35 AM AKDT, Craig cvulja...@gmail.com wrote: we do cry when we interview people that claim to have advanced knowledge of BGP and we ask them some very basic BGP questions, and we get a blank stare. On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. If that bothers you, I recommend you not look at what passes for a system administrator these days. It will make you cry. -r -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
More like at least be willing to man up and learn your way around some platform other than RHEL without whining if there is a business need for it. -r Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: *grumble, grumble, grumble* Get off my lawn! :) On May 7, 2015 8:49:43 AM AKDT, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com writes: It really bothers me to see that people in this industry are so worried about a change of syntax or terminology. If there's one thing about the big vendors that bothers me, it's that these batteries of vendor specific tests have allowed many techs to get lazy. They simply can't seem to operate well, if at all, in a non-Cisco (primarily) environment. If that bothers you, I recommend you not look at what passes for a system administrator these days. It will make you cry. -r -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
They are definitely good for that. We use them in part of our network for something very similar. I am not sure why they aren't mentioned that much. I know that they have been pretty popular in the past couple years. We are planning on using 7750 SR-a4's in the future but right now we mainly have 7750SR7/12s. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: They are definitely good for that. We use them in part of our network for something very similar. I am not sure why they aren't mentioned that much. I know that they have been pretty popular in the past couple years. We are planning on using 7750 SR-a4's in the future but right now we mainly have 7750SR7/12s. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
If you know Juniper and Cisco, the learning curve isn't so bad to pick up the ALU CLI, after working with it for a brief time, you catch on quickly. Their products are quite impressive, and a # of the carriers, are moving to them and some have already moved to them and are quite happy with their decision. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: They are definitely good for that. We use them in part of our network for something very similar. I am not sure why they aren't mentioned that much. I know that they have been pretty popular in the past couple years. We are planning on using 7750 SR-a4's in the future but right now we mainly have 7750SR7/12s. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
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What's the price point of an SR-A4? Comparable to the MX104 or ASR9001? -- Stephen On 2015-05-06 7:13 PM, Craig wrote: If you know Juniper and Cisco, the learning curve isn't so bad to pick up the ALU CLI, after working with it for a brief time, you catch on quickly. Their products are quite impressive, and a # of the carriers, are moving to them and some have already moved to them and are quite happy with their decision. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: They are definitely good for that. We use them in part of our network for something very similar. I am not sure why they aren't mentioned that much. I know that they have been pretty popular in the past couple years. We are planning on using 7750 SR-a4's in the future but right now we mainly have 7750SR7/12s. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line? - I haven't used them for nearly 5 years now, but at the time they were really good. Likely, they're still the same. Search the NANOG archives, there have been discussions before. Pay attention to the after the sale service stuff in the archives. Also Jared Mauch has a ML for them at puck.nether.net, but it's a really low volume list. ALU engineers hang out there. scott
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--- colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: From: Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? - Because they're really expensive, mostly bell head networks use them and we're mostly bell head free on NANOG... ;-) scott
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I will be getting one to try. I am pretty sure it will support the ol' show ? ,config ? If not that might be a problem :-) Thank You Bob Evans CTO What's the price point of an SR-A4? Comparable to the MX104 or ASR9001? -- Stephen On 2015-05-06 7:13 PM, Craig wrote: If you know Juniper and Cisco, the learning curve isn't so bad to pick up the ALU CLI, after working with it for a brief time, you catch on quickly. Their products are quite impressive, and a # of the carriers, are moving to them and some have already moved to them and are quite happy with their decision. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: They are definitely good for that. We use them in part of our network for something very similar. I am not sure why they aren't mentioned that much. I know that they have been pretty popular in the past couple years. We are planning on using 7750 SR-a4's in the future but right now we mainly have 7750SR7/12s. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
that second command is admin display-config or admin display-config | match cheers On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Bob Evans b...@fiberinternetcenter.com wrote: I will be getting one to try. I am pretty sure it will support the ol' show ? ,config ? If not that might be a problem :-) Thank You Bob Evans CTO What's the price point of an SR-A4? Comparable to the MX104 or ASR9001? -- Stephen On 2015-05-06 7:13 PM, Craig wrote: If you know Juniper and Cisco, the learning curve isn't so bad to pick up the ALU CLI, after working with it for a brief time, you catch on quickly. Their products are quite impressive, and a # of the carriers, are moving to them and some have already moved to them and are quite happy with their decision. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: They are definitely good for that. We use them in part of our network for something very similar. I am not sure why they aren't mentioned that much. I know that they have been pretty popular in the past couple years. We are planning on using 7750 SR-a4's in the future but right now we mainly have 7750SR7/12s. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
RE: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR)
The show stuff is certainly there but the config is a bit different. You may have to get used to using the info command. :) They also use logical IP interfaces which are then tied to physical, you don't directly configure L3 on a physical interface. You also have designations between service and network physical interfaces, although nowadays they can be set as hybrid.. It's really pretty simple if you are used to a Cisco or Juniper. They have tab and ? completion now for both commands as well as elements similar to Junos which is helpful. Phil -Original Message- From: Bob Evans b...@fiberinternetcenter.com Sent: 5/6/2015 11:55 PM To: nanog@nanog.org nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) I will be getting one to try. I am pretty sure it will support the ol' show ? ,config ? If not that might be a problem :-) Thank You Bob Evans CTO What's the price point of an SR-A4? Comparable to the MX104 or ASR9001? -- Stephen On 2015-05-06 7:13 PM, Craig wrote: If you know Juniper and Cisco, the learning curve isn't so bad to pick up the ALU CLI, after working with it for a brief time, you catch on quickly. Their products are quite impressive, and a # of the carriers, are moving to them and some have already moved to them and are quite happy with their decision. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 6:24 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I am worried as most tech's know Cisco and Juniper, so going to ALU would be a learning curve based on replies I am getting off list. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:22 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: They are definitely good for that. We use them in part of our network for something very similar. I am not sure why they aren't mentioned that much. I know that they have been pretty popular in the past couple years. We are planning on using 7750 SR-a4's in the future but right now we mainly have 7750SR7/12s. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: Taking full BGP routes from 4+ carriers on 10G connections. Why is ALU never mentioned, but Juniper MX and Cisco are all day long? The new 7750 SR-a4 looks like a Juniper MX80 or MX104 killer. On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Dan Snyder sliple...@gmail.com wrote: We have been using them for almost 8 years now and have been pretty happy. What are you looking to use them for? Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Colton Conor colton.co...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering if anyone was using a Alcatel-Lucent 7750 Service Router (SR) in their network? How does this platform compare the the Cisco ASR, Brocade MLXe, and Juniper MX line?
Re: Alcatel-Lucent and France Tel deploy 400G for testing
Le 2013-02-07 15:40, Jay Ashworth a écrit : - Original Message - From: Adam Vitkovsky adam.vitkov...@swan.sk Can't find any statement whether the nifty proclaimed 400G wavelength is indeed a single 100GHz channel or just a bundled supper channel The only hint is the total capacity of a fiber of 17.6 Tbps with 44 wavelengths which is roughly the whole 100GHz spaced grid Well, if you click through to his earlier piece, at http://newswire.telecomramblings.com/2013/02/france-telecom-orange-and-alcatel-lucent-deploy-worlds-first-live-400-gbps-per-wavelength-optical-link/ he does explicitly say 400Gb/s per wavelength... Cheers, -- jra Hello, From France Telecom : http://www.orange.com/en/press/press-releases/press-releases-2013/France-Telecom-Orange-and-Alcatel-Lucent-deploy-world-s-first-live-400-Gbps-per-wavelength-optical-link As said by Jay : 400Gbits per wavelength :) Best regards, -- Christophe Lucas http://www.clucas.fr/blog/
RE: Alcatel-Lucent and France Tel deploy 400G for testing
Can't find any statement whether the nifty proclaimed 400G wavelength is indeed a single 100GHz channel or just a bundled supper channel The only hint is the total capacity of a fiber of 17.6 Tbps with 44 wavelengths which is roughly the whole 100GHz spaced grid adam -Original Message- From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:j...@baylink.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 7:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: Alcatel-Lucent and France Tel deploy 400G for testing http://www.telecomramblings.com/2013/02/alcatel-lucent-and-france-telecom-surpass-100g-implement-400g/ -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
Re: Alcatel-Lucent and France Tel deploy 400G for testing
- Original Message - From: Adam Vitkovsky adam.vitkov...@swan.sk Can't find any statement whether the nifty proclaimed 400G wavelength is indeed a single 100GHz channel or just a bundled supper channel The only hint is the total capacity of a fiber of 17.6 Tbps with 44 wavelengths which is roughly the whole 100GHz spaced grid Well, if you click through to his earlier piece, at http://newswire.telecomramblings.com/2013/02/france-telecom-orange-and-alcatel-lucent-deploy-worlds-first-live-400-gbps-per-wavelength-optical-link/ he does explicitly say 400Gb/s per wavelength... Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink j...@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
The worst thing in it was bgp proto .. Router was unable to withstand 20+ peering sessions , most of that outgoing bgp session to customers , a few peerings , and only 1v2 incoming upstream providers When there was instability/surge in bgp updates , router was able to break itself tcp sess. Dwnld bgp table (150,000prefix) took 2h or more ... Things done in hardware should be working although ( bridge .. , maybe label switching , vpls ) Tech support is very weak. Expect problems with interoperability . Sorry to say that . It was 3+ years time ago , maybe they improved themself .. :) Hi, I must say we had very old timos 2.0R17 , as you now use 8.0 I guess .. As most of my complains is against software , this may be improved - i hope it is :) Hardware is solid, 'hard to kill' Sorry for a bit preliminary assumptions about 7750SR platform . // regards PiotrSawicki.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
I've done some recent testing and while the BGP download time isn't blazing fast, it can load 400k routes and propagate them to 20 other peers in a few minutes. Certainly not 2 hours. :) I've also done quite a bit of interop testing with the other main vendors as well and have yet to run into anything major. Phil On Mar 9, 2010, at 1:03 PM, piotr sawicki wrote: The worst thing in it was bgp proto .. Router was unable to withstand 20+ peering sessions , most of that outgoing bgp session to customers , a few peerings , and only 1v2 incoming upstream providers When there was instability/surge in bgp updates , router was able to break itself tcp sess. Dwnld bgp table (150,000prefix) took 2h or more ... Things done in hardware should be working although ( bridge .. , maybe label switching , vpls ) Tech support is very weak. Expect problems with interoperability . Sorry to say that . It was 3+ years time ago , maybe they improved themself .. :) Hi, I must say we had very old timos 2.0R17 , as you now use 8.0 I guess .. As most of my complains is against software , this may be improved - i hope it is :) Hardware is solid, 'hard to kill' Sorry for a bit preliminary assumptions about 7750SR platform . // regards PiotrSawicki.
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
Chris Wallace wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and DIA. Any comments are welcome, good and bad. ---Chris Hello !! First time on the list :) I'd like to say something in opposite . These are very weak routers .. We ( SP on country level , PL ) had two of them , implemented in core , as pure ip routers . The worst thing in it was bgp proto .. Router was unable to withstand 20+ peering sessions , most of that outgoing bgp session to customers , a few peerings , and only 1v2 incoming upstream providers When there was instability/surge in bgp updates , router was able to break itself tcp sess. Dwnld bgp table (150,000prefix) took 2h or more ... Things done in hardware should be working although ( bridge .. , maybe label switching , vpls ) Tech support is very weak. Expect problems with interoperability . Sorry to say that . It was 3+ years time ago , maybe they improved themself .. :) If you want 2 spare chassis , we have them free // best regards Piotr Sawicki .
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
--- jrh...@netconsonance.com wrote: So my experience so far has been good product, good company, needs a real attitude adjustment in the support department. - ditto that! scott
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
The 7750 and 7450 are really good products. We were a pure Cisco shop about three years ago and then started using the 7750. We are very happy with the product. If you have any questions you can contact me off list. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Chris Wallace li...@iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and DIA. Any comments are welcome, good and bad. ---Chris
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
--- li...@iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and DIA. Any comments are welcome, good and bad. --- We deploy these. They are very different from cisco (so there will be a big learning curve) and kick ass. Be sure to go to 7.something as cflowd (their netflow) does not report correctly on things like ASN. scott
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
--- li...@iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and DIA. Any comments are welcome, good and bad. --- BTW, one example is you only have to deal with one command set for all boxes within a given version. Good for programmatic thingies... :-) Also, SAM (the element management system) has gotten better as well. scott
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
Very good routers. We have been using them for several years now. Very solid product, and very easy to setup services: ie vprn/ vpls/ epipe, etc. The qos on the box is very scalable. I could talk more about them off line with you or discuss more over phone. On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- li...@iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and DIA. Any comments are welcome, good and bad. --- We deploy these. They are very different from cisco (so there will be a big learning curve) and kick ass. Be sure to go to 7.something as cflowd (their netflow) does not report correctly on things like ASN. scott
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
I'll have to second everything everyone is saying. Absolutely pleased with everything about them. Just wish I had more 7750s instead of 7450s. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Craig cvulja...@gmail.com wrote: Very good routers. We have been using them for several years now. Very solid product, and very easy to setup services: ie vprn/ vpls/ epipe, etc. The qos on the box is very scalable. I could talk more about them off line with you or discuss more over phone. On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- li...@iamchriswallace.com wrote: I am hoping to get some peoples opinions on Alcatel-Lucent routers. We are looking at the 7750 SR line and the 7450 ESS line. We are currently a Cisco shop but these would be deployed in a completely new network delivering mostly MPLS based services and DIA. Any comments are welcome, good and bad. --- We deploy these. They are very different from cisco (so there will be a big learning curve) and kick ass. Be sure to go to 7.something as cflowd (their netflow) does not report correctly on things like ASN. scott
Re: Alcatel-Lucent
--- mirot...@gmail.com wrote: I'll have to second everything everyone is saying. Absolutely pleased with everything about them. Just wish I had more 7750s instead of 7450s. -- That reminds me of one thing that adds more complexity. We carry our internet in a VPRN for various reasons. The 7450s don't do BGP AFAIK in a VPRN. So, if your downstream BGP customers will physically attach to the 7450 you'll have to epipe over to a 7750 to terminate BGP. Then, since the epipe doesn't go down, you'll have to do BFD with the customer. Many customers say do what?... ;-) If you don't do BFD they'll have to wait for the BGP session to time out. scott
Re: Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009, Jay Nakamura wrote: Looking for input on Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick. I can look up spec and other published information but, as always, the devil is in the detail and you just never know what wall you run into until you actually try it so I wanted to see if anyone has used this and can point out good/bad things about this device. Our other option is Cisco IOS router right now. Are there better options than these two? Fair warning: v6 honestly seems to have caught most firewall vendors with their pants down. I've had Lucent Bricks hanging around here in various capacities for some time, and have been involved in a several bake-offs to some degree. Granted, the bricks we have are older models (1100s, mostly). We're looking at some new options as well as a number of ours are going EOL soon. Good: * The code and a basic config is very small - just enough to get it on the network to communicate with the LSMS server and download its full config. * Support is reasonably responsive. * Rule changes can be staged pretty easily in the LSMS, and then the changes can be applied later, if you only do changes during maintenance windows. * IPSEC LAN-to-LAN VPN interoperability is pretty good. It can take a few tweaks to get things working with different vendors, but I've gotten VPNs working with Cisco routers, Cisco PIX/ASAs, Linksys, Checkpoint, Netscreen, etc... * It does do TCP state enforcement (can be disabled) and you can configure the timeout if you enable enforcement. * It does layer-2 firewalling, if you need it. * Does partitions, which provides VRF-like functionality. * Rate limiting and NAT are supported, but I don't know how robust the NAT support is - we don't use it. * Logging is fairly robust but somewhat cryptic - it's not in a standard syslog format. Writing a script to parse the logs and make them a little more human-friendly or convert them into a syslog format would be pretty straightforward. Newer versions of LSMS might provide the option of logging in a syslog-compatible format. Bad: * Without the LSMS server(s), the Bricks are, quite literally, bricks. All of the management has to be done through the LSMS and its Windows- only GUI. There is a command-line interface, but it is not very robust. Newer versions of LSMS might have a web front-end, but I don't know for sure. If there is a web front-end to LSMS, the trick is finding out if it has feature parity with the Windows GUI (has presented an issue with other Lucent products). * Licensing can be a PITA. * Last time I looked at the IPSEC VPN client, it did not support Vista or 64-bit XP. I haven't looked into this in a long time, as we do not use the Bricks for landing client VPNs. It's possible that Lucent has SSL VPN capabilities now. No idea if they support Windows 7 yet. * If things start failing or hanging in neat and interesting ways, more often than not, the issue can be fixed by restarting LSMS :) * IPv6 support plans are unknown at this time. Since we're migrating away from this platform, I haven't looked into Lucent's position on this. I don't know if the newer models do 10G yet, but that might be worth checking if you plan to firewall customers who need lots of bandwidth. We can talk offline if you want to discuss in more detail. jms If there is a better forum to post this question, my apologies. Please direct me to the right place. :) Our goal : We want to provide managed firewall/VPN for Colo/DIA customers. Our specific requirements are - Able to provide VRF/virtual router per customer since address range can overlap between customers. - Able to do client based VPN to the inside network. It could be IPSec or SSL. It has to support Vista/Win7-x64 - Able to do site to site VPN with various devices.(Cisco, - Can rate limit traffic in and out. - Control NAT per customer instance. - Stateful firewall per customer instance. - Good logging Thanks!
RE: Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick
Hello, I am working for a French ISP, we are working with this product in order to provide a firewall for our VRF customers. Quickly : Used to : * Firewall / NAT for IPV4 VRF * Rate limit bandwidth sessions * A few logging Pro: * stable * ipsec pptp passthrough Cons : * ugly java interface Really good feedbacks to provide . If you need further detail I can share. Eric -Message d'origine- De : Jay Nakamura [mailto:zeusda...@gmail.com] Envoyé : lundi 26 octobre 2009 16:56 À : NANOG Objet : Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick Hello all, Looking for input on Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick. I can look up spec and other published information but, as always, the devil is in the detail and you just never know what wall you run into until you actually try it so I wanted to see if anyone has used this and can point out good/bad things about this device. Our other option is Cisco IOS router right now. Are there better options than these two? If there is a better forum to post this question, my apologies. Please direct me to the right place. :) Our goal : We want to provide managed firewall/VPN for Colo/DIA customers. Our specific requirements are - Able to provide VRF/virtual router per customer since address range can overlap between customers. - Able to do client based VPN to the inside network. It could be IPSec or SSL. It has to support Vista/Win7-x64 - Able to do site to site VPN with various devices.(Cisco, - Can rate limit traffic in and out. - Control NAT per customer instance. - Stateful firewall per customer instance. - Good logging Thanks!
Re: Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009, Jay Nakamura wrote: Looking for input on Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick. I can look up spec and other published information but, as always, the devil is in the detail and you just never know what wall you run into until you actually try it so I wanted to see if anyone has used this and can point out good/bad things about this device. Our other option is Cisco IOS router right now. Are there better options than these two? Fair warning: v6 honestly seems to have caught most firewall vendors with their pants down. I'm not really sure that in the year 2009 that's a fair thing to still expect... honestly ipv6 has been in 'production' for ~7 years, for a CPE deployment it's certainly been to the point where it should be included by default. -1 alcalu :( -Chris
Re: Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote: On Mon, 26 Oct 2009, Jay Nakamura wrote: Looking for input on Alcatel-Lucent VPN Firewall Brick. I can look up spec and other published information but, as always, the devil is in the detail and you just never know what wall you run into until you actually try it so I wanted to see if anyone has used this and can point out good/bad things about this device. Our other option is Cisco IOS router right now. Are there better options than these two? Fair warning: v6 honestly seems to have caught most firewall vendors with their pants down. I'm not really sure that in the year 2009 that's a fair thing to still expect... honestly ipv6 has been in 'production' for ~7 years, for a CPE deployment it's certainly been to the point where it should be included by default. -1 alcalu :( I don't know about AL's v6 status because I'm in the process of migrating away from them, and have been in the process of lots of due diligence with vendors in the past 6-ish months. v6 support is pretty high on our list of 'must have' items. I've been pretty disappointed with the response from most vendors. Many of those have been along the lines of: Yeah... our v6 code should be out of customer trials in Q2 2010... We do v6 in software today, and the next spin of XYZ hardware will do it in the ASICs... We're working some kinks out, so the box forwards X pps of v6 today (let Y = the amount of v4 traffic the box can handle, let X = some amount significantly lower than Y), but we should have all of that sorted out in the next major code release and be able to handle Y pps of v6 then. The firewall handles v6 today, but v6 support in the management front-end is still baking. Should be ready to go in the next release. Vendor responses to my v6 has been around for about 10 years... why is all of this only happening *now*? questions have largely been along the lines of Customers only started asking for or requiring v6 support in the last X months/years This gets us back to chicken-and-egg time. I can understand their position to a degree, i.e. why waste resources on things that customers aren't requesting (read: won't compel them to buy more/bigger hardware or renew/upgrade support contracts)? This might have been a somewhat valid position several years ago, but v6 as a necessity has been on many customers' radars for several years ago. Frankly, not having fully baked v6 support today is pretty much inexcusable IMHO. jms
