Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[Lorenzo Mainardi]

Yes, it seems that our use case it's not the right one for Ericsson.


Da: NANOG  per conto di t...@pelican.org 

Inviato: venerdì 2 dicembre 2016 11.37.29
A: nanog@nanog.org
Oggetto: Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka"  said:

> Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.

I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers.  In my experience, 
Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that want 
to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call support 
when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and fully-managed 
rollouts at incumbent-telco scale.  Think 20M subs, not 20k.

Regards,
Tim.

RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[Jameson, Daniel]

The Nokia is the rebranded Alcatel 7750.  The syntax is funky, but it's a great 
bras.


From: NANOG on behalf of Tony Wicks
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 2:17:20 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

I was told by some high up people in Ericsson several years ago that their
target for the Redback range is the top dozen telco's and they are not
really interested in smaller customers. It's a shame, because the Redback in
many ways is still superior to other offerings IMHO. To the OP's question -

1. The Nokia 7750 is a good option, but you would likely need the larger
7750-SR or 7750-e over the 7750-a series as the "a" does not have the MS-ISA
card option that allows access to several key BNG functions. Likely outside
of budget once spares etc are taken into account

2. Cisco ASR1K, likely this will do what you need, the advantage if the 1K
range is it's just a big CPU based box, so you don't need add on cards to do
anything fancy. There is also affordable support and an active grey market
option available (2x asr1006-esp40).

3. A virtual offering from Juniper (VMX) or Cisco might work for you.
Nokia's offering is a bit too new.


I would choose option 2 with option 3 as a backup if you want to get things
going quickly. Unless money is not an option then option 1 (2x 7750-sr7 or
7750-e2).



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cole
Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2016 1:20 AM
To: t...@pelican.org
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

2nded, I tried for months to get Ericsson to get us a quote and sort us out
with a solution as I'd used their kit and liked it in the past.

Exactly as Tim said, they just didn't seem interested if you're not after a
big $$ solution.

We went with ASR1k as cisco came to the party on price and we were already
using 7200 at the time.  No complaints.

Patrick

Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:37:29AM -, t...@pelican.org wrote:

RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[Tony Wicks]

I was told by some high up people in Ericsson several years ago that their
target for the Redback range is the top dozen telco's and they are not
really interested in smaller customers. It's a shame, because the Redback in
many ways is still superior to other offerings IMHO. To the OP's question -

1. The Nokia 7750 is a good option, but you would likely need the larger
7750-SR or 7750-e over the 7750-a series as the "a" does not have the MS-ISA
card option that allows access to several key BNG functions. Likely outside
of budget once spares etc are taken into account

2. Cisco ASR1K, likely this will do what you need, the advantage if the 1K
range is it's just a big CPU based box, so you don't need add on cards to do
anything fancy. There is also affordable support and an active grey market
option available (2x asr1006-esp40).

3. A virtual offering from Juniper (VMX) or Cisco might work for you.
Nokia's offering is a bit too new.


I would choose option 2 with option 3 as a backup if you want to get things
going quickly. Unless money is not an option then option 1 (2x 7750-sr7 or
7750-e2).



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Cole
Sent: Sunday, 4 December 2016 1:20 AM
To: t...@pelican.org
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

2nded, I tried for months to get Ericsson to get us a quote and sort us out
with a solution as I'd used their kit and liked it in the past.

Exactly as Tim said, they just didn't seem interested if you're not after a
big $$ solution.

We went with ASR1k as cisco came to the party on price and we were already
using 7200 at the time.  No complaints.

Patrick

Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:37:29AM -, t...@pelican.org wrote:

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[Patrick Cole]

2nded, I tried for months to get Ericsson to get us a quote and sort
us out with a solution as I'd used their kit and liked it in the past.

Exactly as Tim said, they just didn't seem interested if you're not
after a big $$ solution.

We went with ASR1k as cisco came to the party on price and we were already 
using 7200 at the time.  No complaints.

Patrick

Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:37:29AM -, t...@pelican.org wrote:


> On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka"  said:
> 
> > Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.
> 
> I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers.  In my experience, 
> Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that 
> want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call 
> support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and 
> fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale.  Think 20M subs, not 20k.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim.
> 
> 

-- 
Patrick Cole 
Senior Network Specialist
World Without Wires
PO Box 869. Palm Beach, QLD, 4221
Ph:  0410 626 630

RE: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[Krunal Shah]

Ericsson SSR 8010 is good platform. We have been using it since last 3 years 
with no major issues.

Havn't tested IPv6 though.




Krunal Shah
Network Analyst, IP & Transport Network Engineering
ks...@primustel.ca






-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Mainardi
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:34 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

Good morning,
Could you suggest some vendors of BRAS/BNG for PPPoE termination?
We have more than 20.000 users.

In my short list there are already Juniper, Cisco and NOKIA/ALU.
Do you have any other honorable brand or good experiences?
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Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[Mark Tinka]

On 2/Dec/16 12:37, t...@pelican.org wrote:

>
> I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers.  In my experience, 
> Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that 
> want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call 
> support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and 
> fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale.  Think 20M subs, not 20k.

Agreed.

Mark.

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[Dragan Jovicic]

Our current deployment uses several Alcatel SR 7750 boxes - we pair these
with MX960 and MX2020 for CGNAT for several hundred thousand customers.
Alcatel and Juniper have been a rock solid combination so far.

Regards

Dragan

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, James Bensley  wrote:

> On 2 December 2016 at 10:37, t...@pelican.org  wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" 
> > said:
> >
> > > Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.
> >
> > I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers.  In my experience,
> > Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company
> that
> > want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call
> > support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and
> > fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale.  Think 20M subs, not
> 20k.
> >
> >
> I've heard Redback aren't so good anymore. We are very happy with Cisco
> (ASR1000s) and Juniper (MX480s) for this function.
>
> Cheers,
> James.
>

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[James Bensley]

On 2 December 2016 at 10:37, t...@pelican.org  wrote:

> On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka" 
> said:
>
> > Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.
>
> I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers.  In my experience,
> Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that
> want to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call
> support when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and
> fully-managed rollouts at incumbent-telco scale.  Think 20M subs, not 20k.
>
>
I've heard Redback aren't so good anymore. We are very happy with Cisco
(ASR1000s) and Juniper (MX480s) for this function.

Cheers,
James.

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[t...@pelican.org]

On Friday, 2 December, 2016 05:55, "Mark Tinka"  said:

> Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.

I'd steer clear at a small scale like 20k subscribers.  In my experience, 
Ericsson as an organisation just aren't set up to deal with a company that want 
to buy a couple of boxes, install and run them themselves, and call support 
when something breaks - it's all about multi-month PoCs and fully-managed 
rollouts at incumbent-telco scale.  Think 20M subs, not 20k.

Regards,
Tim.

Re: BRAS/BNG Suggestion

[Mark Tinka]

On 29/Nov/16 20:33, Lorenzo Mainardi wrote:

> Good morning,
> Could you suggest some vendors of BRAS/BNG for PPPoE termination?
> We have more than 20.000 users.
>
> In my short list there are already Juniper, Cisco and NOKIA/ALU.
> Do you have any other honorable brand or good experiences?

Redback used to be popular - I believe they got picked up by Ericsson.

Mark.