Re: Bell outage

[John Cavanaugh]

No a single fiber bundle cut doesn’t cause this level of outage.

I am at a family reunion in Nova Scotia and – Bell internet is down, all cell 
services are down, most land lines are down and 911 services are problematic.  
A lot of flights in Halifax have been cancelled (impacting our reunion).  
Downdetector.com shows a lot, but do not see any details on outages.  

Looks more like a Cyber incident.  At the moment cable service at the cottage 
is still up….  Was in town and all the banks were closed except RBC.  Only one 
gas station on the highway was operational.

Thanks,
 
John Cavanaugh

On 8/4/17, 2:07 PM, "NANOG on behalf of jim deleskie" 
 wrote:

Single fiber cut causes the much impact?

-jim

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, J  wrote:

> https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of-
> atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/
> article35881182/
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>
> Apparently some fiber cut.  No word on the exact model of construction
> equipment, yet, though.
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> :\
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>  On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:14:26 -0500 Krunal Shah 

> wrote 
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> Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?
>
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> http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/
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> Krunal
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Re: Bell outage

[Rod Beck]

Yeah, I am one of the sales guys for this project across Lake Ontario. It is 
called Crosslake.


- R.



From: Tom Beecher 
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 4:59 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: Jason Lixfeld; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Bell outage

( Buffalo resident here.)

That's pretty much true. From Toronto down around the lake, most of the fiber 
paths follow the QEW, although I think I saw a map once that had some down the 
406. The challenge then becomes the Niagara River. There are only really 3 good 
points north of Niagara Falls to cross the gorge, the Rainbow / Whirlpool 
Rapids / Lewiston-Queenston. (There is an old train bridge just south of 
Whirlpool Rapids, but it's pretty decrepit.) Even then, L/Q is the only option 
that's generally feasible to reach, and has any decent infrastructure on the US 
side.

To my knowledge, most everything goes south to the Peace Bridge . into Buffalo 
proper, and over to 350 Main Street. Just about everyone in this region comes 
through there, except for Level3. (They're close, down on Scott Street, and 
just stub up to Main. But even they don't actually have a gateway there, they 
still pull people back to NY/Cleveland.)

I know there is a group trying to do a cable directly across Lake Ontario to my 
neck of the woods, which would be really interesting if it happens. You could 
save potentially 60k-ish with a direct path vs coming around and down, and 
there's a surprisingly decent volume of in-region glass in the ground on 
different paths. Plus much of the area north of Buffalo to the lake is rural 
farmland, so building something new wouldn't be terribly hard or expensive 
either.

Crossing the lake itself is a challenge though. Lake Ontario is really deep, 
and there are steep underwater cliffs off the mouth of the Niagara River (~50m 
drop over less than 1km) , and again on the eastern side of Toronto. If they 
can work around that to get something run, I think it could be a very 
intriguing path. I'm a little biased because I think it could be a great boon 
for my area ; putting datacenter space in around here is basically free 
compared to space up there, and you'd be <5ms from Toronto, and ~10ms from NYC.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Rod Beck 
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:
I am pretty sure most of the fiber runs counterclockwise from Toronto to 
Buffalo. Just a fact.


- R.



From: Jason Lixfeld mailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca>>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:48 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>; 
aheb...@pubnix.net<mailto:aheb...@pubnix.net>
Subject: Re: Bell outage

I think having a lake right in the middle makes a really nice, natural, diverse 
route between the two locations, as is the case with the many routes running 
east and west around the lake out of both 151 Front and 350 Main.  It’s great 
for non latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails, but it sucks for 
latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails.

What’s the solution in that case if you need geo diverse, low latency routes 
between two longish haul points that can only be connected by one major highway 
and one major railway, and where there’s a large likelihood that the even a 
single route would have to use both those pathways?  I’m sure it's trivial to 
get geo diverse routes out of any major carrier hotel, but what about the in 
between bits?

> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Rod Beck 
> mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake Ontario 
> separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front Street and 350 
> Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around the lake and at 
> certain points is collapsed into one right of way.
>
>
> - R.
>
>
> 
> From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> on 
> behalf of Alain Hebert mailto:aheb...@pubnix.net>>
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>
> Well,
>
> We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in
> Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(
>
> And to cap the whole thing off...  Enter the building thru the same
> conduit.
>
> You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.
>
> And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks
> like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D.  Pretty impressive.
>
> PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit
> under "that" bridge, a few years back?
>
> -
> Alain Hebert
> aheb...@pubnix.net<mailto:a

Re: Bell outage

[Tom Beecher]

( Buffalo resident here.)

That's pretty much true. From Toronto down around the lake, most of the
fiber paths follow the QEW, although I think I saw a map once that had some
down the 406. The challenge then becomes the Niagara River. There are only
really 3 good points north of Niagara Falls to cross the gorge, the Rainbow
/ Whirlpool Rapids / Lewiston-Queenston. (There is an old train bridge just
south of Whirlpool Rapids, but it's pretty decrepit.) Even then, L/Q is the
only option that's generally feasible to reach, and has any decent
infrastructure on the US side.

To my knowledge, most everything goes south to the Peace Bridge . into
Buffalo proper, and over to 350 Main Street. Just about everyone in this
region comes through there, except for Level3. (They're close, down on
Scott Street, and just stub up to Main. But even they don't actually have a
gateway there, they still pull people back to NY/Cleveland.)

I know there is a group trying to do a cable directly across Lake Ontario
to my neck of the woods, which would be really interesting if it happens.
You could save potentially 60k-ish with a direct path vs coming around and
down, and there's a surprisingly decent volume of in-region glass in the
ground on different paths. Plus much of the area north of Buffalo to the
lake is rural farmland, so building something new wouldn't be terribly hard
or expensive either.

Crossing the lake itself is a challenge though. Lake Ontario is really
deep, and there are steep underwater cliffs off the mouth of the Niagara
River (~50m drop over less than 1km) , and again on the eastern side of
Toronto. If they can work around that to get something run, I think it
could be a very intriguing path. I'm a little biased because I think it
could be a great boon for my area ; putting datacenter space in around here
is basically free compared to space up there, and you'd be <5ms from
Toronto, and ~10ms from NYC.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Rod Beck 
wrote:

> I am pretty sure most of the fiber runs counterclockwise from Toronto to
> Buffalo. Just a fact.
>
>
> - R.
>
>
> 
> From: Jason Lixfeld 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:48 PM
> To: Rod Beck
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org; aheb...@pubnix.net
> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>
> I think having a lake right in the middle makes a really nice, natural,
> diverse route between the two locations, as is the case with the many
> routes running east and west around the lake out of both 151 Front and 350
> Main.  It’s great for non latency sensitive traffic if your short path
> fails, but it sucks for latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails.
>
> What’s the solution in that case if you need geo diverse, low latency
> routes between two longish haul points that can only be connected by one
> major highway and one major railway, and where there’s a large likelihood
> that the even a single route would have to use both those pathways?  I’m
> sure it's trivial to get geo diverse routes out of any major carrier hotel,
> but what about the in between bits?
>
> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Rod Beck 
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake
> Ontario separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front
> Street and 350 Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around
> the lake and at certain points is collapsed into one right of way.
> >
> >
> > - R.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: NANOG  on behalf of Alain Hebert <
> aheb...@pubnix.net>
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM
> > To: nanog@nanog.org
> > Subject: Re: Bell outage
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in
> > Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(
> >
> > And to cap the whole thing off...  Enter the building thru the same
> > conduit.
> >
> > You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.
> >
> > And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks
> > like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D.  Pretty impressive.
> >
> > PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit
> > under "that" bridge, a few years back?
> >
> > -
> > Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
> > PubNIX Inc.
> > 50 boul. St-Charles
> > P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
> > Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
> PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<
> http://www.pubnix.net/>
> www.pubnix.net
&

Re: Bell outage

[Rod Beck]

I am pretty sure most of the fiber runs counterclockwise from Toronto to 
Buffalo. Just a fact.


- R.



From: Jason Lixfeld 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:48 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; aheb...@pubnix.net
Subject: Re: Bell outage

I think having a lake right in the middle makes a really nice, natural, diverse 
route between the two locations, as is the case with the many routes running 
east and west around the lake out of both 151 Front and 350 Main.  It’s great 
for non latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails, but it sucks for 
latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails.

What’s the solution in that case if you need geo diverse, low latency routes 
between two longish haul points that can only be connected by one major highway 
and one major railway, and where there’s a large likelihood that the even a 
single route would have to use both those pathways?  I’m sure it's trivial to 
get geo diverse routes out of any major carrier hotel, but what about the in 
between bits?

> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Rod Beck  wrote:
>
> Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake Ontario 
> separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front Street and 350 
> Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around the lake and at 
> certain points is collapsed into one right of way.
>
>
> - R.
>
>
> 
> From: NANOG  on behalf of Alain Hebert 
> 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>
> Well,
>
> We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in
> Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(
>
> And to cap the whole thing off...  Enter the building thru the same
> conduit.
>
> You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.
>
> And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks
> like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D.  Pretty impressive.
>
> PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit
> under "that" bridge, a few years back?
>
> -
> Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
> PubNIX Inc.
> 50 boul. St-Charles
> P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
> Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the 
World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that 
offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to 
providing you ...


> PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the 
> World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the 
World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that 
offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to 
providing you ...


> www.pubnix.net<http://www.pubnix.net>
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the 
World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that 
offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to 
providing you ...


> PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that 
> offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to 
> providing you ...
>
>
>
> On 08/04/17 15:07, Ken Chase wrote:
>> And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams
>> happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw
>> significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers
>> had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other.
>>
>> That didnt work out.
>>
>> Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even
>> tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or
>> where, readily.
>>
>> /kc
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:
>>>   Well,
>>>
>>>   Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus
>>> actually doing it, happen way too often.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
>>> PubNIX Inc.
>>> 50 boul. St-Charles
>>> P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
>>> Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le m

Re: Bell outage

[Harald Koch]

On 4 August 2017 at 16:54, Rod Beck  wrote:

> Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake Ontario
> separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front Street and
> 350 Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around the lake and
> at certain points is collapsed into one right of way.
>

To generalise - most of Canada's population lives within 160 km of the US
border. That's a 8800 km long, but very skinny piece of territory, and that
makes finding geographically diverse routes ... challenging.

-- 
Harald Koch (with CA*net in the 1990s :)

Re: Bell outage

[Rod Beck]

Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake Ontario 
separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front Street and 350 
Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around the lake and at 
certain points is collapsed into one right of way.


- R.



From: NANOG  on behalf of Alain Hebert 

Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Bell outage

 Well,

 We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in
Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(

 And to cap the whole thing off...  Enter the building thru the same
conduit.

 You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.

 And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks
like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D.  Pretty impressive.

 PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit
under "that" bridge, a few years back?

-
Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
PubNIX Inc.
50 boul. St-Charles
P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the 
World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that 
offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to 
providing you ...



On 08/04/17 15:07, Ken Chase wrote:
> And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams
> happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw
> significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers
> had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other.
>
> That didnt work out.
>
> Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even
> tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or
> where, readily.
>
> /kc
>
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:
>>Well,
>>
>>Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus
>>actually doing it, happen way too often.
>>
>>-
>>Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
>>PubNIX Inc.
>>50 boul. St-Charles
>>P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
>>Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the 
World<http://www.pubnix.net/>
www.pubnix.net
PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service that 
offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed to 
providing you ...


>

Re: Bell outage

[Alain Hebert]

Well,

We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in 
Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(


And to cap the whole thing off...  Enter the building thru the same 
conduit.


You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.

And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks 
like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D.  Pretty impressive.


PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit 
under "that" bridge, a few years back?


-
Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
PubNIX Inc.
50 boul. St-Charles
P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443

On 08/04/17 15:07, Ken Chase wrote:

And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams
happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw
significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers
had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other.

That didnt work out.

Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even
tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or
where, readily.

/kc

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:
   >Well,
   >
   >Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus
   >actually doing it, happen way too often.
   >
   >-
   >Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
   >PubNIX Inc.
   >50 boul. St-Charles
   >P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
   >Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443

RE: Bell outage

[Naslund, Steve]

It can be really impossible with multiple carriers because even if you get a 
geographically diverse route on day 1, carriers are constantly grooming and 
reconfiguring and since each carrier does not monitor the other ones 
architecture they cannot even know that they are ruining your redundancy by 
re-grooming circuits into the same physical paths.  The only way you could even 
begin to know would be to demand regular updates of your circuits physical 
layout (if they will give it to you and they actual know what it is) and then 
you would just have to hope that a) their records are current and b) you don't 
get re-groomed that very same evening.

If you request geo diversity from a single carrier, they should be able to 
check that they have diverse paths but you have to stay on them to ensure they 
stay that way.

Steven Naslund
Chicago IL


From: "Ken Chase" 
To: "Alain Hebert" 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 2:07:40 PM
Subject: Re: Bell outage 

And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams 
happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw 
significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers 
had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other. 

That didnt work out. 

Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even tech 
dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or where, 
readily. 

/kc 

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said: 
> Well,
> 
> Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus 
>actually doing it, happen way too often.
> 
>-
>Alain Hebert aheb...@pubnix.net
>PubNIX Inc. 
>50 boul. St-Charles
>P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
>Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443

--
Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org Guelph Canada 

Re: Bell outage

[Eric Kuhnke]

Makes me wonder what the GIS department is like at $BIGCARRIER and how such
a workgroup of specialists interfaces with their in house OSP fiber teams
(and those responsible for acquiring IRUs, leasing and documenting third
party dark, etc).

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Ken Chase  wrote:

> And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams
> happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw
> significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple
> customers
> had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the
> other.
>
> That didnt work out.
>
> Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even
> tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through
> or
> where, readily.
>
> /kc
>
> On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:
>   >Well,
>   >
>   >Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus
>   >actually doing it, happen way too often.
>   >
>   >-
>   >Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
>   >PubNIX Inc.
>   >50 boul. St-Charles
>   >P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
>   >Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
>
> --
> Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org Guelph Canada
>

Re: Bell outage

[Mike Hammett]

They can still be incorrect, but KMZs or shapefiles of my route or no deal. 
Accurate ones too, none of this line running through the middle of a house 
crap. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Chase"  
To: "Alain Hebert"  
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 2:07:40 PM 
Subject: Re: Bell outage 

And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams 
happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw 
significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers 
had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other. 

That didnt work out. 

Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even 
tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or 
where, readily. 

/kc 

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said: 
> Well, 
> 
> Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus 
>actually doing it, happen way too often. 
> 
>- 
>Alain Hebert aheb...@pubnix.net 
>PubNIX Inc. 
>50 boul. St-Charles 
>P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7 
>Tel: 514-990-5911 http://www.pubnix.net Fax: 514-990-9443 

-- 
Ken Chase - m...@sizone.org Guelph Canada 

Re: Bell outage

[Ken Chase]

And can be hard to know without serious dilligence - two of our upstreams
happened to go through the same 360 networks conduit in montreal that "saw
significant rodent activity". Both were down for 6 hours. A couple customers
had some custom apps that relied on the two, each as redundancy to the other.

That didnt work out.

Getting salesdroids to give you the info can be very hard though, and even
tech dept's may not know what secondary providers their fibres run through or
where, readily.

/kc

On Fri, Aug 04, 2017 at 02:57:22PM -0400, Alain Hebert said:
  >Well,
  >
  >Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits versus
  >actually doing it, happen way too often.
  >
  >-
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Re: Bell outage

[Alain Hebert]

Well,

Saying they provided you with geographically diverse circuits 
versus actually doing it, happen way too often.


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PubNIX Inc.
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P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
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On 08/04/17 14:07, jim deleskie wrote:

Single fiber cut causes the much impact?

-jim

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, J  wrote:


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of-
atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/
article35881182/



Apparently some fiber cut.  No word on the exact model of construction
equipment, yet, though.



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 On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:14:26 -0500 Krunal Shah 
wrote 




Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?



http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/





Krunal





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Re: [SPAM] Re: Bell outage

[Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG]

We have multiple redundant backup paths in case of a cut.  The backup
paths run about 1 mm away from the primary path in the same cable in
the same conduit. ;)

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Nate Metheny  wrote:
> :s/fiber/conduit
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Rod Beck 
> wrote:
>
>> Everyone has a resilient network until they don't. 😊
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: NANOG  on
>> behalf of jim deleskie 
>> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 8:07 PM
>> To: J
>> Cc: NANOG list
>> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>>
>> Single fiber cut causes the much impact?
>>
>> -jim
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, J  wrote:
>>
>> > https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of-
>> > atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/
>> > article35881182/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Apparently some fiber cut.  No word on the exact model of construction
>> > equipment, yet, though.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > :\
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:14:26 -0500 Krunal Shah &
>> lt;ks...@primustel.ca>
>> > wrote 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/
>> [http://canadianoutages.com/i/logo/bell.png]> canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/>
>>
>> Bell down? Realtime status and problems overview ...<
>> http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/>
>> canadianoutages.com
>> Bell Canada offers internet, mobile phone and home phone services to
>> individuals and businesses. Internet is delivered through DSL or fiber
>> technology.
>>
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>> >
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Re: [SPAM] Re: Bell outage

[Nate Metheny]

:s/fiber/conduit

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Rod Beck 
wrote:

> Everyone has a resilient network until they don't. 😊
>
>
> 
> From: NANOG  on
> behalf of jim deleskie 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 8:07 PM
> To: J
> Cc: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>
> Single fiber cut causes the much impact?
>
> -jim
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, J  wrote:
>
> > https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of-
> > atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/
> > article35881182/
> >
> >
> >
> > Apparently some fiber cut.  No word on the exact model of construction
> > equipment, yet, though.
> >
> >
> >
> > :\
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:14:26 -0500 Krunal Shah &
> lt;ks...@primustel.ca>
> > wrote 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?
> >
> >
> >
> > http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/
> [http://canadianoutages.com/i/logo/bell.png] canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/>
>
> Bell down? Realtime status and problems overview ...<
> http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/>
> canadianoutages.com
> Bell Canada offers internet, mobile phone and home phone services to
> individuals and businesses. Internet is delivered through DSL or fiber
> technology.
>
>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Bell outage

[Rod Beck]

Everyone has a resilient network until they don't. 😊



From: NANOG  on behalf 
of jim deleskie 
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 8:07 PM
To: J
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Bell outage

Single fiber cut causes the much impact?

-jim

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, J  wrote:

> https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of-
> atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/
> article35881182/
>
>
>
> Apparently some fiber cut.  No word on the exact model of construction
> equipment, yet, though.
>
>
>
> :\
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:14:26 -0500 Krunal Shah <ks...@primustel.ca>
> wrote 
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?
>
>
>
> http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/
[http://canadianoutages.com/i/logo/bell.png]<http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/>

Bell down? Realtime status and problems overview 
...<http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/>
canadianoutages.com
Bell Canada offers internet, mobile phone and home phone services to 
individuals and businesses. Internet is delivered through DSL or fiber 
technology.


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Re: Bell outage

[jim deleskie]

Single fiber cut causes the much impact?

-jim

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, J  wrote:

> https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of-
> atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/
> article35881182/
>
>
>
> Apparently some fiber cut.  No word on the exact model of construction
> equipment, yet, though.
>
>
>
> :\
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 10:14:26 -0500 Krunal Shah 
> wrote 
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada?
>
>
>
> http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/
>
>
>
>
>
> Krunal
>
> 
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Re: Bell outage

[J]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/much-of-atlantic-canada-loses-cellphone-service-in-widespread-outage/article35881182/



Apparently some fiber cut.  No word on the exact model of construction 
equipment, yet, though.



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Does anyone know what is happening with Bell network at East Canada? 

 

http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/ 

 

 

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Re: Bell outage

[jim deleskie]

Cell and the internet all down here from Bell and those sharing their
towers, also 911 services. Banking / ATM also impacted, no idea reason
though.


-jim

Mimir Networks
www.mimirnetworks.com

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Krunal Shah  wrote:

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> http://canadianoutages.com/status/bell/map/
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