Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-31 Thread Joe Greco
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:07:41AM -0600, Keith Medcalf wrote: > On Saturday, 30 May, 2020 13:18, Joe Greco wrote: > > >The Internet didn't evolve in the way its designers expected. Early > >mistakes and errors required terrible remediation. As an example, look > >at the difficulty involved in

RE: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-31 Thread Keith Medcalf
On Saturday, 30 May, 2020 13:18, Joe Greco wrote: >The Internet didn't evolve in the way its designers expected. Early >mistakes and errors required terrible remediation. As an example, look >at the difficulty involved in running a service like e-mail or DNS. >E-mail requires all sorts of

Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-30 Thread John Sage
On 5/30/20 11:58 AM, Saku Ytti wrote: [This post may portray opinions as facts, click to see the post] On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 21:55, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: When you're not paying for service, you're not the customer, you're the product. I don't understand why anyone, especially

Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-30 Thread Rubens Kuhl
> > > > Outsourcing stuff like DNS is just a continuation of the trend of sending > your workloads onto someone else's cloud. It seems easy -- right up until > it isn't working the way you want it to. > > Outsourcing DNS recursion isn't a good trade-off IMHO, but outsourcing threat blocking via

Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-30 Thread Joe Greco
On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 01:52:58PM -0500, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > When you're not paying for service, you're not the customer, you're the > product. A pleasantly misleading statement. Most easily observed in that there are many cases where there is multiple monetization. You may be your

Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-30 Thread Ryan Hamel
Hey Constantine, John came in with a technical issue. If you have nothing worthy to say about it specifically, it's best to keep quiet. Thanks! Ryan On May 30 2020, at 11:52 am, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > When you're not paying for service, you're not the customer, you're the > product. >

Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-30 Thread Saku Ytti
[This post may portray opinions as facts, click to see the post] On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 21:55, Constantine A. Murenin wrote: > > When you're not paying for service, you're not the customer, you're the > product. > > I don't understand why anyone, especially anyone frequenting NANOG, would use

Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-30 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
When you're not paying for service, you're not the customer, you're the product. I don't understand why anyone, especially anyone frequenting NANOG, would use Cloudflare for their DNS. Cloudflare runs a racket business, and their whole business model depends on them being a monopoly; plus people

Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-30 Thread Mark Milhollan
On Fri, 29 May 2020, John Sage wrote: Each one of ping, traceroute, dig and host returns Host usbank . com not found: 2(SERVFAIL) Could be a DNSSEC issue. When it happens check or to see if that's the case. -- Mark

Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior

2020-05-29 Thread Havard Eidnes via NANOG
> Again, twice in 6 weeks Cloudflare DNS seems to loose complete > track of usbank dot com as a domain. All the name servers for that domain are placed in that same domain. That in itself perhaps isn't a problem. However, they also all have IPv4 addresses (no IPv6 in sight) in the same /16