Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Dorn Hetzel
What is the purpose of raised flooring if it *doesn't *create a plenum? On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com wrote: A consultant has recommended FreeAxez for the raised floor in a new data center. I checked it out and have concerns since it says it does NOT

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread david raistrick
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Dorn Hetzel wrote: What is the purpose of raised flooring if it *doesn't *create a plenum? ...cabling? (though I think working under a floor to route cables vs overhead ladder is a pain..but mixing cabling AND air underfloor is much worse) On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread acv
, easier to access. Alex On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 11:14:48AM -0500, Dorn Hetzel wrote: Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:14:48 -0500 Subject: Re: FreeAxez raised flooring? From: Dorn Hetzel dhet...@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org What is the purpose of raised flooring if it *doesn't *create a plenum

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Ryan Spott
, 5 Mar 2010 11:14:48 -0500 Subject: Re: FreeAxez raised flooring? From: Dorn Hetzel dhet...@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org What is the purpose of raised flooring if it *doesn't *create a plenum? On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jason Gurtz jasongu...@npumail.com wrote

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Owen DeLong
Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, but, the step forward from raised-floor plenum is hot-aisle/cold-aisle which requires a good bit more discipline in your datacenter, but, is substantially more efficient. Owen On Mar 6, 2010, at 12:14 AM, Dorn Hetzel

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, but, the step forward from raised-floor plenum is hot-aisle/cold-aisle which requires a good bit more discipline in your datacenter, but, is

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 01:41:42PM -0500, William Herrin wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, but, the step forward from raised-floor plenum is hot-aisle/cold-aisle which

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:41 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, but, the step forward from raised-floor plenum is hot-aisle/cold-aisle which requires a good

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:41 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, but, the step forward from

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 02:54:42AM +0800, Owen DeLong wrote: On Mar 6, 2010, at 2:41 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Not sure about the purpose of a raised floor if it doesn't create a plenum, but, the step forward from

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Tim Durack
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Wayne E. Bouchard w...@typo.org wrote: Actually, my experience has been that most of the newer installations (last 5-7 years) that I have been able to see where raised floor is employed are also doing hot/cold rows. We have/are building new datacenters with a

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread Tim Durack
We have/are building new datacenters with a raised floor plenum. Air is directed into the racks from below, and ducted out of the top. No hot/cold aisle, just lots of cold air to cool the equipment. It's an AFCO rack design. Seems to be efficient so far. How do you measure efficiency?  How

Re: FreeAxez raised flooring?

2010-03-05 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Tim Durack tdur...@gmail.com wrote: Same way you cool the top of a rack in a cold/hot aisle system. Blow cold air up the front of the rack. We measure temperature at select points in the rack. Keep the hottest spot below set point, and everything is fine. The