Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-07 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/7/21 16:33, Nick Hilliard wrote: there was more to it than that.  The grammar was too complicated to easily describe common policies and too limited to describe complex policies.  The structure was difficult to extend when the routing became more complicated (e.g. mpls, route

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-07 Thread Nick Hilliard
Randy Bush wrote on 07/10/2021 15:26: it was sabatoged there was more to it than that. The grammar was too complicated to easily describe common policies and too limited to describe complex policies. The structure was difficult to extend when the routing became more complicated (e.g.

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-07 Thread Randy Bush
>> i was hoping that, if 3130 said it is peering with martha, artemis >> would get a clue and stfu > > right. This was klunked around using the export-via and import-via > rpsl constructions (draft-snijders-rpsl-via), which never quite made > it to ietf wg adoption status. It did, however, point

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-07 Thread Nick Hilliard
Randy Bush wrote on 04/10/2021 21:15: i was hoping that, if 3130 said it is peering with martha, artemis would get a clue and stfu right. This was klunked around using the export-via and import-via rpsl constructions (draft-snijders-rpsl-via), which never quite made it to ietf wg adoption

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-05 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/5/21 09:29, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: …like a, say, „single pane of glass”? ;) Oh dear Lord :-)... Mark.

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-05 Thread Łukasz Bromirski
…like a, say, „single pane of glass”? ;) -- ./ > On 5 Oct 2021, at 06:25, Mark Tinka wrote: > >  > >> On 10/4/21 21:55, Nick Hilliard wrote: >> >> Nearly 30 years on, this is still the state of the art. > > Not an unlike an NMS... still can't walk into a shop and just buy one that >

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-04 Thread Mark Tinka
On 10/4/21 21:55, Nick Hilliard wrote:  Nearly 30 years on, this is still the state of the art. Not an unlike an NMS... still can't walk into a shop and just buy one that works out of the box :-). Mark.

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-04 Thread Randy Bush
>> a SIX peer's customer could be the feed to RIS > Sure, but how do you describe the policy between your peer and their > customer in your aut-num?! That's not a thing. yup these rat holes are a pita randy

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-04 Thread Ben Maddison via NANOG
Hi Randy, On 10/04, Randy Bush wrote: > hi ben, > > a SIX peer's customer could be the feed to RIS > Sure, but how do you describe the policy between your peer and their customer in your aut-num?! That's not a thing. Cheers, Ben signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-04 Thread Randy Bush
hi ben, a SIX peer's customer could be the feed to RIS randy

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-04 Thread Ben Maddison via NANOG
Hi Randy, On 10/04, Randy Bush wrote: > so i have an AS (3130) which peers at the SIX (RSs and some direct). > > in the hope that leak detectors such as artemis would stop false > positives when they see my prefixes announced customer cones of SIX > peers, i want to add the SIX peers to my

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-04 Thread Randy Bush
>> what are others in this space doing? > > not using import/export lines in their RS or router configs, for > starters. Probably you could count the number of IXPs that inspect > import/export lines on the fingers of one hand, and possibly of one > finger. > > Generally speaking, IXPs try to

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-04 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Some IX'es set communities telling which member announced that prefix; if SIX is one of those, that can be used to automate origin verification. Rubens On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:08 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > so i have an AS (3130) which peers at the SIX (RSs and some direct). > > in the hope that

Re: IRR for IX peers

2021-10-04 Thread Nick Hilliard
Randy Bush wrote on 04/10/2021 17:44: what are others in this space doing? not using import/export lines in their RS or router configs, for starters. Probably you could count the number of IXPs that inspect import/export lines on the fingers of one hand, and possibly of one finger.