Re: STOP USING FONT SIZE SMALL Was: Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-23 Thread Douglas Fischer
Hmmm... I Don't know why this is happening. Considering my default set-up on the Gmail interface is defined to use Normal size. https://pasteboard.co/JPG2ZoK.png In fact, I had not even realized that this mail-list forwarded emails in the exact format they were generated. Usually, they set

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
>>> you can sign over something which ways "the person identified by the >>> following public key is to be permitted to ..." >> >> you mean the fraudlent attacker who owned that INR seems to have signed >> this request for a €1.000.000,49 wire transfer to their iban. a person >> is not identified

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:50 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > > you can sign over something which ways "the person identified by the > > following public key is to be permitted to ..." > > you mean the fraudlent attacker who owned that INR seems to have signed > this request for a €1.000.000,49 wire

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
> you can sign over something which ways "the person identified by the > following public key is to be permitted to ..." you mean the fraudlent attacker who owned that INR seems to have signed this request for a €1.000.000,49 wire transfer to their iban. a person is not identified by that

Re: STOP USING FONT SIZE SMALL Was: Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
> Really, does anyone here think that it is good form to send email with > font size *SMALL*? rofl! randy --- ra...@psg.com `gpg --locate-external-keys --auto-key-locate wkd ra...@psg.com` signatures are back, thanks to dmarc header mangling

STOP USING FONT SIZE SMALL Was: Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Mark Andrews
Really, does anyone here think that it is good form to send email with font size *SMALL*? If your MUA does this by default complain to the developers. The default should be “medium”. If the font is too big on your screen change the magnification *you* choose to display to *yourself*, don’t

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread George Michaelson
The LOA type model is one of the ones we showed on slideware when we presented RTA in IETF, and at the CloudFlare RPKI workshop years ago. The detached signature model inherent in RTA and RSC goes to "you define the business logic" It's not proscriptive. I saw nothing proposed here which I

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
>> What if PeeringDB would be the CA for the Facilities? >> Supposedly this solves the CA problem of the "Colo Folks". > > I think pushing your security identification out (as the notional > equinix) to a third party where you can't revoke/change/etc is asking > for dangerous things to happen.

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:44 PM Douglas Fischer wrote: > > What if PeeringDB would be the CA for the Facilities? > Supposedly this solves the CA problem of the "Colo Folks". > I think pushing your security identification out (as the notional equinix) to a third party where you can't

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Douglas Fischer
What if PeeringDB would be the CA for the Facilities? Supposedly this solves the CA problem of the "Colo Folks". Would PeeringDB be interested in that? Em seg., 22 de fev. de 2021 às 16:04, Christopher Morrow < morrowc.li...@gmail.com> escreveu: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Randy Bush

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 2:06 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > >> way back, the rirs were very insistant that their use of rpki authority > >> was most emphatically not to be considered an identity service. this > >> permeated the design; e.g., organization names were specifically > >> forbidden in

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
>> way back, the rirs were very insistant that their use of rpki authority >> was most emphatically not to be considered an identity service. this >> permeated the design; e.g., organization names were specifically >> forbidden in certificate CN, Subject Alternative Name, etc. >> > > yup, I

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > > are you asking about something like this: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-rsc/ > > > > Which COULD be used to, as an AS holder: > > "sign something to be sent between you and the colo and your intended

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
> are you asking about something like this: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-rsc/ > > Which COULD be used to, as an AS holder: > "sign something to be sent between you and the colo and your intended peer" > > that you could sign (with your rpki stuffs) and your

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Randy Bush
> But it looks like a "crypto sign and publishes" anything related to an > organization. that is the problem with this discussion. it does not. it allows one to show ownership of an AS or prefix. it does not show ownership or authority over an organization. keep your trust model straight.

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Douglas Fischer
Well... I must confess that I had some difficulty on the first understanding of what is proposed. But after the 4 reads, I saw that this "spaghetti" thing is more powerful than I could imagine! Please correct me if I'm no right: But it looks like a "crypto sign and publishes" anything related

Re: LOAs for Cross Connects - Something like PeeringDB for XC

2021-02-22 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 9:19 AM Douglas Fischer wrote: > > I believe that almost everyone in here knows that LOAs for Cross Connects in > Datacenters and Telecom Rooms can be a pain... > > I don't know if I'm suggesting something that already exists. > Or even if I'm suggesting something that