Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
On 4/9/2010 23:23, Franck Martin wrote: http://www.circleid.com/posts/20100409_oecd_reports_on_state_of_ipv6_deployment_for_policy_makers/ Nasty, degenerate, foot-dragging U.S. of A. does it again. -- Somebody should have said: A democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Freedom under a constitutional republic is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
On 4/10/10 1:42 AM, Randy Bush wrote: You should have seen the CNN experiment on cyber attack... you mean the failed chertoff/cheney wanna make the news clueless crap? puhleeze! the fcc has more guns than that mob had clue. unfortunately, the failed chertoff/cheney celebrants of the cybersecurity cult have managed one significant outplacement. eric
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/48/8/44961688.pdf John, I'd like to call your attention to slide 8, the chart showing growth in fully working IPv6 deployments. Should that growth trend be allowed to continue, IPv4-only deployments can be expected to fall into the minority after another few hundred years. The upcoming conversion of IPv4 addressing into a zero-sum game (as a result of free pool depletion) is likely to increase this growth trend, but it's anybody's guess whether the new growth trend improves to something with a faster-than-linear feedback loop. And of course once free pool depletion hits, the cost to deploy additional IPv4 systems starts to grow immediately, independent of pre-majority IPv6 growth. We might want to consider additional public policy incentives to kick the IPv6 growth rate into a higher gear. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: http://bill.herrin.us/ Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
On Apr 10, 2010, at 9:40 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/48/8/44961688.pdf John, I'd like to call your attention to slide 8, the chart showing growth in fully working IPv6 deployments. Should that growth trend be allowed to continue, IPv4-only deployments can be expected to fall into the minority after another few hundred years. The upcoming conversion of IPv4 addressing into a zero-sum game (as a result of free pool depletion) is likely to increase this growth trend, but it's anybody's guess whether the new growth trend improves to something with a faster-than-linear feedback loop. And of course once free pool depletion hits, the cost to deploy additional IPv4 systems starts to grow immediately, independent of pre-majority IPv6 growth. In fact, IPv6 is already showing greater than linear acceleration in deployment, so, even though IPv4 hasn't run out yet, people are beginning to catch on. We might want to consider additional public policy incentives to kick the IPv6 growth rate into a higher gear. Such as? Owen
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Apr 10, 2010, at 9:40 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/48/8/44961688.pdf John, I'd like to call your attention to slide 8, the chart showing growth in fully working IPv6 deployments. Should that growth trend be allowed to continue, IPv4-only deployments can be expected to fall into the minority after another few hundred years. The upcoming conversion of IPv4 addressing into a zero-sum game (as a result of free pool depletion) is likely to increase this growth trend, but it's anybody's guess whether the new growth trend improves to something with a faster-than-linear feedback loop. And of course once free pool depletion hits, the cost to deploy additional IPv4 systems starts to grow immediately, independent of pre-majority IPv6 growth. In fact, IPv6 is already showing greater than linear acceleration in deployment, so, even though IPv4 hasn't run out yet, people are beginning to catch on. We might want to consider additional public policy incentives to kick the IPv6 growth rate into a higher gear. Such as? Owen Notify all holders of a currently active AS they have been allocated/assigned a /32. No fees. No questions. To accept the allocation/assignment, it must be advertised within a 24 month period. There is no shortage of available /32s in 2000::/3. There is a serious shortage of meaningful deployment. -- Tim:
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
On 10/04/2010 21:36, Tim Durack wrote: Notify all holders of a currently active AS they have been allocated/assigned a /32. No fees. No questions. To accept the allocation/assignment, it must be advertised within a 24 month period. There is no shortage of available /32s in 2000::/3. There is a serious shortage of meaningful deployment. I'm puzzled as to why you might think that this would incentivise meaningful deployment of ipv6. Nick
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Nick Hilliard n...@foobar.org wrote: I'm puzzled as to why you might think that this would incentivise meaningful deployment of ipv6. Nick It removes the hurdle of working with the RIR and/or getting management buy-in to go negotiate for number resources. (Our personal experience as a community/end-user network is that ARIN wants justification for the minimum address space one can live with. At this early stage of deployment, that raises concerns over whether we have a workable address plan in place. We worked with ARIN to eventually get a /41 assigned. With the prospect of assigning /56s to every customer port we have on an edge switch, that's not going to last long. You can probably argue we got the initial request wrong, but it still means we have to go back and negotiate again, which we haven't found to be much fun. That's holding us back.) -- Tim:
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20100409_oecd_reports_on_state_of_ipv6_deployment_for_policy_makers/ karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/48/8/44961688.pdf randy
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. On of the best parts of her presentation: Government’s role *is not about regulation*, but about working with technical experts and business to: •Role 1: Build awareness of issue help to ease bottlenecks through multi-stakeholder co-operation. •Role 2: Being early adopters. •Role 3: International co-operation and helping to monitor progress of deployment. Will they get it any day ? Regards Jorge
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
You should have seen the CNN experiment on cyber attack... It took 3/4 of the time for the government to realize they need to ask the private sector to help them. The first 3/4 were spent to discuss what the president can do or not do so they can take over the infrastructure and tell the operators what to do... - Original Message - From: Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com To: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com Cc: Franck Martin fra...@genius.com, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, 10 April, 2010 4:49:18 PM Subject: Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers karine perset's work is, as usual, good enough that it should be seen in it's original, not some circle-je^h^hid hack of a small part of it. On of the best parts of her presentation: Government’s role *is not about regulation*, but about working with technical experts and business to: •Role 1: Build awareness of issue help to ease bottlenecks through multi-stakeholder co-operation. •Role 2: Being early adopters. •Role 3: International co-operation and helping to monitor progress of deployment. Will they get it any day ? Regards Jorge
Re: OECD Reports on State of IPv6 Deployment for Policy Makers
You should have seen the CNN experiment on cyber attack... you mean the failed chertoff/cheney wanna make the news clueless crap? puhleeze! the fcc has more guns than that mob had clue. randy
