It's likely worth noting that this specific test was of IPAWS (Integrated
Public Alert and Warning System), a system designed to integrate the
Emergency Alert System, National Warning System, Wireless Emergency Alerts,
and NOAA Weather Alerts.
It's not intended to be cell phone only or replace
I agree 100% and also have noticed that severe weather systems tend to more
severe in rural areas due to either open spaces (the plains) or trees (forested
areas) doing more damage. I can tell you from living the in Midwest that the
storms in Iowa and Nebraska are way worse than the ones that
I am wondering if this seems common to most of you on here. In my area it
seems that all cellular sites have backup generators and battery backup. Seems
like the biggest issues we see are devices remote from the central offices that
lose power and cause disruptions, like RSTs and SLCs.
The challenging part for government is creating a public warning
system inexpensive enough, its available to everyone, not just people
who can afford private airplanes.
We could use the one that was already built for this: The NOAA All
Hazards radio network (http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/). It
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, Scott Weeks wrote:
--- a...@andyring.com wrote:
From: Andy Ringsmuth
Yeah, this thread is getting somewhat removed from the
original question, so what the heck. I’ve often thought
that vehicle radios should have a location-based weather
radio built in
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
Sure--I totally agree. But we don't build smoke detectors into our
cell phones because that's not a very good use case. And I'm not
aware of weather alerts being broadcast to cell phones without having
an app installed, and it's unreliable.
Related:
Handy - I have two little boxes I bought at radio shack many years
ago. One converts from the car lighter plug (or whatever they call it
these days) to a three-prong (5-15R, ok?), the other converts from a
regular 120V house plug to a "12V car lighter" which actually was very
handy
Many of those lightweight UPS units have a very small battery in
them and are really designed to 1) carry the computer across a power
flicker, or 2) provide a few minutes to shut down the computer in
a controlled manner.
Units with much bigger batteries to last a day are much more expensive
and
A good home investment people don't immediately think of (I'm sure
some here have) is one of those inexpensive computer UPS's. An
off-the-shelf 1500VA is usually under $200 or thereabouts.
One can run anything off one, like a radio or lamp. Not a lot but I'd
imagine 1500VA would keep a small
Once upon a time, Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG said:
> And I'm not
> aware of weather alerts being broadcast to cell phones without having
> an app installed, and it's unreliable.
The same part of the phone that was used for the Presidential Alert can
also be used for weather alerts (it is used
--- a...@andyring.com wrote:
From: Andy Ringsmuth
Yeah, this thread is getting somewhat removed from the
original question, so what the heck. I’ve often thought
that vehicle radios should have a location-based weather
radio built in
---
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:19 PM Sean Donelan wrote:
> A company already made a combination smoke alarm/weather radio.
> Halo Smart Labs went out of business earlier this year.
> https://www.smartthings.com/products/halo-smart-labs-halo-smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm-plus-weather-alerts
*click*
> On Oct 8, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
>> Perhaps I'm the only one who would spend more than $50 on a weather
>> alert device?
>
> Fewer than 5% of households buy weather radios.
>
> WEA can reach over 60% of households with cell phones. Its not 100%.
>
> Yes, 5% of households
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote:
Google solved these problems with ~$120 smoke alarm and a decent cell phone app.
If they released a new version with weather alerts, I wouldn't think
twice about dropping $200 on it.
A company already made a combination smoke alarm/weather radio.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 10:54 AM Sean Donelan wrote:
> There is no business case for Amazon, Apple or Google to include emergency
> alerts as part of their smart speakers.
I have a $50 weather alert radio.
Does it have have batteries? Are they charged? Are they almost dead?
When did I last
On October 8, 2018 at 16:37 s...@donelan.com (Sean Donelan) wrote:
> A nation-wide WEA and EAS system helps warn people in both cities and
> rural areas. But they still depend on carriers and broadcasters. If there
> are no backup batteries in cell towers, or backup transmitters for
>
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018, b...@theworld.com wrote:
I suppose since every life is precious one can measure the
effectiveness based on "land mass" but then one wonders if some sheep
out in a field in Idaho really care that the US was just invaded...put
better: You do what you can!
How quickly we
Just as a small point of contention, if you lose the bread basket and
the agricultural industries, you might as well have never received an
emergency alert in a city where the supplies and fresh food will run out
and people will be fighting and killing each other for a Snickers bar.
No good
On October 8, 2018 at 03:37 snasl...@medline.com (Naslund, Steve) wrote:
> A few cases come to mind. I also think there are lots of alerts
> that will not send people screaming into the streets. 9/11 did not
> really have that effect in most places and it took quite some time
> for word
On Sat, 6 Oct 2018, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
Since there isn't infinite money to build a system that will reach *everybody*,
the only reasonable approach is to cobble together a set of overlapping systems
on existing technology that covers the most people while staying inside the
funding
A few cases come to mind. I also think there are lots of alerts that will not
send people screaming into the streets. 9/11 did not really have that effect
in most places and it took quite some time for word to spread to people who did
not have full time media access. You also have to
> So I tend not to be in a big rush to look at those alerts, actually I
> think I turned them off which in that case was an option.
i turned them off long ago.
i did get a presidential alert in november '16. turned out to be a very
serious disaster.
randy
On October 7, 2018 at 15:49 fredbaker.i...@gmail.com (Fred Baker) wrote:
>
> > On Oct 7, 2018, at 12:23 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> >
> > That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was difficult
> > to ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
> >
On Oct 7, 2018, at 12:23 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was
> difficult to ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
> impaired excepted.)
_Wired_ has an interesting history of the various networked and
standalone national
On 10/07/2018 03:49 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
On Oct 7, 2018, at 12:23 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was difficult to
ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
impaired excepted.)
Where I grew up, the “Civil Defense Warning”
> On Oct 7, 2018, at 12:23 PM, b...@theworld.com wrote:
>
> That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was difficult to
> ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
> impaired excepted.)
Where I grew up, the “Civil Defense Warning” was used for air raids, nuclear
Hopefully Google and Amazon product engineers are listening: EAS/NWS
alert messages could come over your various devices to help the
consumer...
The NEST Protect smoke alarms would particularly be useful for NWS
Alerts (i.e. they're loud and could broadcast "TORNADO! SEEK SHELTER
IMMEDIATELY!")
Re: EAS alert, people not being reached
That was one advantage of the old air raid siren system, it was
difficult to ignore and required nothing special to receive (hearing
impaired excepted.)
I recall in NYC as a kid you were expected (maybe legally required,
not sure) to head off the streets
On Sat, 06 Oct 2018 15:09:09 -0700, "Scott Weeks" said:
> Or some live where there is no cell coverage, don't
> watch TV, live where their neighbors are far away
> and no gov't folks are going to knock on doors
> because the driveway is long, locked at the front
> gate and there're dogs in the
--- s...@donelan.com wrote:
From: Sean Donelan
Sometimes people are asleep (disasters don't always
happen at 2pm on a work day), live alone, are not
constantly watching TV or checking social media.
Its unlikely any system will ever be able to reach
everyone.
On 10/05/2018 04:47 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018, b...@theworld.com wrote:
Just to try to squeeze something worthwhile out of these reports...
I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one
wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't
On Thu, 4 Oct 2018, b...@theworld.com wrote:
Just to try to squeeze something worthwhile out of these reports...
I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one
wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't
personally get it.
What happens when people
> I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one
> wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't
> personally get it.
>
> Obviously edge cases are possible, you were deep in a cave with your
> soccer team, but there must be mathematical modeling of that
Just to try to squeeze something worthwhile out of these reports...
I wonder, if there were a real alert, what the odds are that one
wouldn't hear about it in 1 minute, 5 minutes, etc even if they didn't
personally get it.
Obviously edge cases are possible, you were deep in a cave with your
Since I know network engineers are geeks, and can't stop themselves from
looking...
On your iPhone (and android, and likely other cell phone OS), there are
detailed diagnostics logs. On your iPhone, look under
Settings->Privacy->Analytics->Analytics Data->awdd-
"awdd" means Apple Wireless
My wife and I, both on AT iPhones in the greater Cleveland area, received
nothing. A co-worker of mine in Virginia got an alert, another in Texas did
not. I believe the co-workers are both on AT
I can't speak for the co-workers, but my wife and I do not have wifi calling
enabled.
Dan
On
Not received here but the BBC did apparently...
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45730367
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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Bill Woodcock
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 5:17 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org list
Subject: Re: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS
Received on 2x VZW/Androids in Greeley, CO, :18 MDT, via radio :21.
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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 12:53 PM
To:
received 11:18am PDT T-Mobile SF bay area.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 5:32 PM james jones wrote:
> i got it iPhone X on Xfinity Mobile
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:53:57 -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com said:
>>
>> > Interesting question though... I wonder if
i got it iPhone X on Xfinity Mobile
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 6:16 PM wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:53:57 -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com said:
>
> > Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or
> wifi
> > calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and
>
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 12:53:57 -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com said:
> Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or wifi
> calling donât get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and
> irresponsible of
> the cell phone carriers, so its likely the case :)
Oddball corner
--- m...@maxh.me.uk wrote:
From: Max Harmony
I got it, but not until 14.34. For a system that's
supposed to be able to warn people of incoming
nuclear attack, that seems unacceptably slow.
---
You mean like the one we got in Hawaii?
> On 3 Oct 2018, at 14:52, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
Got it on an iPhone using Project Fi at 2:18 on the dot in southern MA.
BTW the
--- a...@andyring.com wrote:
From: Andy Ringsmuth
Interesting. That seems to be a gigantic hole in this
entire process.
-
Surprising given it's a gov't process. Because, you
know, those always go really well. ;)
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I got it, but not until 14.34. For a system that's supposed to be able
to warn people of incoming nuclear attack, that seems unacceptably
slow.
Ar Mer, 3 Hyd 2018 am 14:52 Andy Ringsmuth ysgrifennodd:
>
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen
becca (.)
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:33 AM
> To: Andy Ringsmuth ; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
>
> I got 1:19 and 1:21 (att then siruis)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
&
My son who has a Canadian line got it while in the Washington state area.
Adrian
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:44 PM Stan Barber wrote:
> I got it on ATT IPhone I have and a Verizon Pixel as well.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:38 PM Ray Van Dolson wrote:
>
>> Anecdotally, we had staff feeding off
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 4:18 PM wrote:
> Iphone, vzw, silicon valley, rcvd.
>
> Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or
> wifi calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and
> irresponsible of the cell phone carriers, so its likely the case :)
>
Got it on both AT and Verizon iPhones in New England.
Sincerely,
Paul
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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+paul.fernandes=dot@nanog.org] On Behalf
Of Kenny Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 3:24 PM
To: Andy Ringsmuth ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018
I work underground so I'm in airplane mode with WiFi calling enabled.
Nothing on Verizon Android.
> On Oct 3, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
>
> I cannot speak for AT, but my T-Mobile iPhones did not receive them either.
> I was told by support that if you enabled WiFi-calling, you may not receive
> the alert. If this is true, it seems to be a safety issue as WiFi calling
>
VZW and Fi phones both had positive activation. Local small town Radio Station
also had positive EAS activation in California. No Weather Radio Activation.
Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736 Office
530-748-9608 Cell
ATT Android worked in Texas.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 2:31 PM Kenny Taylor wrote:
> We received it on T-Mobile and MetroPCS as well.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
> Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:53 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Oct. 3, 2018
VZW iPhone - received around 2.20pm EST.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:23 PM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
Google Pixel2XL on VZW. Didn't receive anything
Kevin
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 13:34 Chaim Rieger wrote:
> IPhone on vzw here. Received
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:23 Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>
>> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
>> supposed to happen at 2:18
I got it on ATT IPhone I have and a Verizon Pixel as well.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:38 PM Ray Van Dolson wrote:
> Anecdotally, we had staff feeding off of both AT and VZW IP-based
> metrocells get the alert message.
>
> Ray
>
> On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 12:53:57PM -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com
Alert received on Sprint in the Indianapolis area. I was on a phone
call at the time [note that my handset doesn't do VoLTE - not sure if
any Sprint handsets will at this time], and the alert was deferred until
the call was terminated at approximately 14:30 EDT but was displayed
immediately
Anecdotally, we had staff feeding off of both AT and VZW IP-based
metrocells get the alert message.
Ray
On Wed, Oct 03, 2018 at 12:53:57PM -0700, mike.l...@gmail.com wrote:
> Iphone, vzw, silicon valley, rcvd.
>
> Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells
> and/or wifi
Received on Android on Sprint here in Colorado
Geoff Mulligan
CTO IIoT @ Jabil
On 10/03/2018 01:23 PM, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
I did not receive on my iPhone or Apple Watch (LTE) either. Both are
T-Mobile and I'm in Oakland, CA.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:21 Andy Ringsmuth
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 3:21 PM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today?
AT Android in Virginia. I received it.
The Washington Post is reporting that, "A number of iPhone users on
AT’s network did not receive the notification until they had
rebooted their
I received it on my iPhone XS Max running iOS 12.0 with AT, wifi calling
off...
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From: NANOG
Alert was received on two Tracfone (Verizon?) Android in San Diego.
A few minutes later, cable (Spectrum/TimeWarner) music service was
interrupted by the alert tones, then a voice announcement began but
cut off mid-word and the music resumed less than 5 seconds into the
announcement. No
I did receive the alert on samsung devices: note 8 (tmobile), note 3 (no
sim card/no service), and galaxy s6 (verizon)
~12:18 MDT (GMT-6)
On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 13:55, Robbie Trencheny wrote:
> I did not receive on my iPhone or Apple Watch (LTE) either. Both are
> T-Mobile and I'm in Oakland,
Iphone, vzw, silicon valley, rcvd.
Interesting question though... I wonder if people on micro-cells and/or wifi
calling don’t get the alerts. That would be extremely dumb and irresponsible of
the cell phone carriers, so its likely the case :)
In rural America where cell coverage may not exist
Weirdly, I received 3. One of them is both French/English.
More weirdly i am in the air, on the way from Nanog Vancouver to Denver. We
were still in Canada airspace, and my AT phone showed clearly “no service”.
The phone was NOT on wi-fi.
Screen captures if anyone wants.
> On Oct 3, 2018, at
Can we stop spamming this list?
I don’t care if you received the alert or not. Contact the FCC or the
whitehouse.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Kain, Rebecca (.)
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:33 AM
To: Andy Ringsmuth ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS
Andy,
Received on iPhone 7/iOS 12 on Sprint in SE Michigan.
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
>
> Did
Awesome, I'm looking forward to hearing about all the locations a
nationwide test was and was not received in.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 2:23 PM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on
I got 1:19 and 1:21 (att then siruis)
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
I cannot speak for AT, but my T-Mobile iPhones did not receive them either. I
was told by support that if you enabled WiFi-calling, you may not receive the
alert. If this is true, it seems to be a safety issue as WiFi calling was
enabled by default.
Yes, I received an alert on AT, iPhone X.
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I have a Verizon iPhone 7 and did not receive the alert. I did get it on a
T-Mobile Pixel 2 though.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 14:23 Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at
I did not receive on my iPhone or Apple Watch (LTE) either. Both are
T-Mobile and I'm in Oakland, CA.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:21 Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio
; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
We received it on T-Mobile and MetroPCS as well.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:53 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert
my entire bus in san francisco got it. the expressions were priceless.
t-mobile sent it earlier than other carriers -- i got it at x:18
On 10/3/18 11:52 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT,
Asked co-workers that are on att and about half say they didn't get it.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:26 Milt Aitken wrote:
> I got it on a Verizon Android.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018
Hi, Andy.
I don't have a helpful answer for you, because I'm at the NANOG meeting in
Canada right now and as far as I could tell none of the attendees' phones
alerted. But I am curious if perhaps your office has a micro-cell for AT,
or something like that, which might have caused different
: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 12:24 PM
To: 'Andy Ringsmuth' ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
I got it on a Verizon Android.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53
Here in Santa Fe on Android / TMO no message was received.
On 10/03/2018 01:23 PM, Milt Aitken wrote:
I got it on a Verizon Android.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
IPhone on vzw here. Received
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:23 Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed by one on broadcast radio at 2:20
> EDT.
>
> I’m in CDT, so 1:18 and 1:20 p.m. CDT.
>
> Message was
We received it on T-Mobile and MetroPCS as well.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 11:53 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it
I received it. On AT, but not on AT Wifi Calling — I got it about :30
EDT, when I went outside within range of a 4G signal.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:22 AM Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
> Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today? I believe it was
> supposed to happen at 2:18 EDT, followed
I got it on a Verizon Android.
-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Andy Ringsmuth
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Oct. 3, 2018 EAS Presidential Alert test
Did anyone on AT or an iPhone receive the test today?
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