On 06/09/13 11:10 -0500, Dan White wrote:
Let me put my gold tipped tinfoil hat on in response to your statement.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/20/fisa-court-nsa-without-warrant
If accurate, this is extremely concerning:
Top secret documents submitted to the court that
I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that
when they use that data collected inadvertantly to build a case a against
you they use no other data collected under a proper warrent.
If the purpose was to actually collect data on you, in the event you do
something , they
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that when
they use that data collected inadvertantly to build a case a against you
they use no other data collected under a proper warrant.
That statement
Good point; apparently the doctorine does protect against the case whereby
any collected data would have been found anway with a court order.
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I would think
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that when
they use that data collected inadvertantly to build a case a against you
they
I guess the moral here isdon't do anything wrong.
:-D
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I would think this is
The United States Constitution*
*See Terms and Conditions for details, not all citizens apply, void where
prohibited, subject to change at any time.
On 6/21/13 11:42 AM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess the moral here isdon't do anything wrong.
:-D
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at
Hah!
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Warren Bailey
wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com wrote:
The United States Constitution*
*See Terms and Conditions for details, not all citizens apply, void where
prohibited, subject to change at any time.
On 6/21/13 11:42 AM, Phil Fagan
On Jun 21, 2013, at 8:31 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I would think this is only an issue if they throw out the Fourth in that
when
they use
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communica
tions-nsa
I suppose they really are tapping all of the fiber.. Huh?
On 6/21/13 11:42 AM, Phil Fagan philfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess the moral here isdon't do anything wrong.
:-D
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:31
On 6/10/13, Rob McEwen r...@invaluement.com wrote:
On 6/9/2013 2:26 PM, Rob McEwen wrote:
I should mention... there also exceptions to the exceptions. While it
is totally legal and ethical for a boss to snoop on his employee's
e-mails (in a business), I would think it would be very unethical
I would add opportunistic STARTTLS to all SMTP processing devices.
--Kauto
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:23 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
While there's a whole political aspect of electing people who pass
better
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:10:57AM +0300, Kauto Huopio wrote:
I would add opportunistic STARTTLS to all SMTP processing devices.
What we actually need is working opportunistic encryption
in IPv6, something like
http://www.inrialpes.fr/planete/people/chneuman/OE.html
Happily, none of the companies listed are transport networks:
I believe it's logical that government turned to biggest US based ISPs with
request to help monitoring communication channels after 2001 events, as back in
those days facebook was not around and google was not as prevalent.
But to
How would you tap a few TBit/s so that you can filter it down to where you
can look it at layer 7 in ASICs, and filter out something to a more
manageable data rate?
Well lawful-intercept is on by default.
And you don't get to worry about the L7 and filtering/parsing -that's done
by the black
Funny, sort of. The guy was residing in Hawaii. Apologies
for the long URLs...
Report: NSA contract worker is surveillance source:
http://thegardenisland.com/news/state-and-regional/report-nsa-contract-worker-is-surveillance-source/article_2a88ec60-f99c-54a7-8c13-13f6852ccca6.html
Hawaii
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 04:36:32PM -0700, Scott Weeks wrote:
NSA claims know-how to ensure no illegal spying:
http://thegardenisland.com/news/state-and-regional/nsa-claims-know-how-to-ensure-no-illegal-spying/article_ec623964-d23a-53c6-aeb0-14bf325a7f3c.html
scott
We're the government. Trust
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
I've always just assumed that if it's in electronic form, someone else is either
reading it now, has already read it, or will read it as soon as I walk away from
the screen.
So, you are comfortable just giving up your right to privacy? It's just the
To be fair, the reporting (initially) claimed the providers were granting the
USG access directly to their servers. It's understandable and appropriate
that the providers pushed back against that apparently erroneous reporting.
Jason
On Jun 8, 2013, at 22:44, ku po cciehe...@gmail.com wrote:
Yet appears a certain lack of transparency, no?
mh
Message d'origine
De : Jason L. Sparks jlspa...@gmail.com
Date :
A : ku po cciehe...@gmail.com
Cc : NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Objet : Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
To be fair, the reporting (initially
On Saturday, June 08, 2013 6:44 PM, Ryan Malayter [mailto:malay...@gmail.com]
wrote:
Speaking from the content provider dide here, but we've always run IPsec on
DCIs and even private T1s/DS3s back in the day.
Doesn't everyone do the same these days? I find it hard to imagine passing
any
On 06/07/13 18:20 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
While the government has no responsibility to protect my data, they do
have a responsibility to respect my privacy. While you are correct in that
proper personal security procedures to protect my data from random
crackers would, in fact, also protect
On 08/06/2013 8:05 AM, Matthew Petach wrote:
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote:
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun
07,
2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw
On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:20 AM, R. Benjamin Kessler ben.kess...@zenetra.com
wrote:
I see that there is actually a beast that will do encryption of multiple 10G
waves between Cisco ONS boxes -
https://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/optical/ps5724/ps2006/at_a_glance_c45-728015.pdf
How
To: ku po
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
To be fair, the reporting (initially) claimed the providers were granting
the USG access directly to their servers. It's understandable and
appropriate that the providers pushed back against that apparently
Dan,
I doubt anyone can answer your question easily because you seem to have
contradictions in your scenario. At one point you say:
private company to collect information about terrorist entities, who
in turn privately contracts with the top X telecom providers and Y
social media companies
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 04:17:14PM -0700, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/obama-china-targets-cyber-overseas
the headline may be misleading.
Presidential Policy Directive 20 defines OCEO as operations and
related programs or activities ? conducted
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Leo Bicknell bickn...@ufp.org wrote:
While there's a whole political aspect of electing people who pass
better laws, NANOG is not a political action forum. However many
of the people on NANOG are in positions to affect positive change
at their respective
Le 09/06/2013 20:26, Rob McEwen a écrit :
Dan,
I doubt anyone can answer your question easily because you seem to have
contradictions in your scenario. At one point you say:
private company to collect information about terrorist entities, who
in turn privately contracts with the top X
On 6/9/2013 2:26 PM, Rob McEwen wrote:
There are notable exceptions... for example, an employer is really the
owner of the mailbox, not their employee. Therefore, there is an
argument that government employees don't have privacy rights from the
government for their official work e-mail
On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote:
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07,
2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com):
tinfoilhat
Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting
vampired
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote:
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun
07,
2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com):
tinfoilhat
Just wait
On 8 June 2013 12:12, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote:
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun
07,
2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com):
tinfoilhat
Just wait until we
@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On 6/7/13, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org wrote:
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07,
2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com):
tinfoilhat
Just wait until we find out
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote:
Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired.
Why wait?
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20submarine.html?_r=0
-Bill
--
William D. Herrin her...@dirtside.com
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:05 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:57:07 -0700, Mark Seiden said:
and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt cannot do anything
like this
addressing even a single provider for that little money.
Convince me the *real* number
You can keep a hacker out, true, but you cannot keep the government
out. When the force of law can be used to compell you to act against
your wishes or your own best interests, all bets are of. Hackers sneak
in through the back door. The govt just breaks the front door down and
demands entry and
)
To: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
You can keep a hacker out, true, but you cannot keep the government
out. When the force of law can be used to compell you to act against
your wishes or your own best interests, all bets
when permitting third-party network
connections.
---
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-Original Message-
From: Matthew Petach [mailto:mpet...@netflight.com]
Sent: Friday, 07 June, 2013 10:33
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data
- Original Message -
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
Would you really trust crypto applied by someone else on your
behalf?
sure, your data's safe--I triple rot-13'd it myself! ;P
Oh, do we need triple now?
I've been double-ROT13'ing my data for *years*.
Cheers,
--
- Original Message -
From: Wayne E Bouchard w...@typo.org
Remember that part of the issue is the fact that, thanks to the
Patriot Act and FISA, not only can you be given a warrant that does
not proceed through normal channels, you are forbidden from even
acknowledging its very
On 06/08/2013 01:47 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Wayne E Bouchard w...@typo.org
Remember that part of the issue is the fact that, thanks to the
Patriot Act and FISA, not only can you be given a warrant that does
not proceed through normal channels, you are
On Jun 7, 2013, at 12:25 AM, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote:
tinfoilhat
Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired.
/tinfoilhat
Speaking from the content provider dide here, but we've always run IPsec on
DCIs and even private T1s/DS3s back in the day.
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On 08/06/2013 16:31, William Herrin wrote:
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:25 AM, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote:
Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting
vampired.
Why wait?
What is the point to argue whether they have the capacity to process all
the data?
They DON'T need to build expensive systems.
They just need to make sure when they ask your company for information,
these information are available for them and fast enough.
So the statement that saying we don't
I don't need any wire tapping or decrypting.
Let's say I want to see all NANOG emails, I just need to call Larry Page's
CSO office and someone will send me a copy.
of course I can't give you any evidence, how could I?
Does it make sense?
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM, ku po cciehe...@gmail.com
On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:25 PM, jamie rishaw j...@arpa.com wrote:
tinfoilhat
Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired.
/tinfoilhat
well, that's exactly and the only thing what would not surprise me, given the
eff suit
and mark klein's testimony about room
The oh well, it happens, who cares, guess you need PGP comments on
this thread are idiotic. Some of you would benefit from reading the text
of the 4th Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07,
2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j...@arpa.com):
tinfoilhat
Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired.
/tinfoilhat
I'm not even assuming it, I'm convinced. In Sweden, we
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:07:57PM -0400, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
Has fingers directly in servers of top Internet content companies,
dates to 2007. Happily, none of the companies listed are transport
networks:
I've always just assumed that if it's in electronic form, someone else is
On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500, jamie rishaw wrote:
tinfoilhat
Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired.
/tinfoilhat
Approaches like http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619
obviously don't scale to small time operators. But if you
Approaches like
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619
obviously don't scale to small time operators. But if you can vaccuum up close
to the core at full wire speed (and there is no reason to think you can't,
since
there are switches which deal with that) you don't have
On 06/07/13 02:34 -0400, Rob McEwen wrote:
The oh well, it happens, who cares, guess you need PGP comments on
this thread are idiotic. Some of you would benefit from reading the text
of the 4th Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects,
So, you are comfortable just giving up your right to privacy? It's just the
way
it is?
If you want to exercise your right to privacy, use end to end encryption and
onion remixing networks to hamper traffic analysis.
Whoa.
These are two completely separate issues. I concur with you
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Mark Seiden m...@seiden.com wrote:
and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt cannot do anything like
this
addressing even a single provider for that little money.
agreed, that 20m seems extraordinarily low for such an effort... hell,
for 6 yrs time
On 6/7/2013 9:50 AM, Dan White wrote:
OpenPGP and other end-to-end protocols protect against all nefarious
actors, including state entities. I'll admit my first reaction yesterday
after hearing this news was - so what? Network security by its nature
presumes that an insecure channel is going
This is one of these Save the forest by burning it situations that
don't have any logic.
To save a forest firefighters often cut a few tree. Don't cut all the
trees in a forest to save it from a fire.
Exceptions must be made for police forces to violate rights (like
privacy). Exceptions can't
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On 07/06/2013 16:02, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Mark Seiden m...@seiden.com
wrote:
and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt cannot do
anything like this addressing even a single provider for that
On 06/07/13 11:11 -0400, Rob McEwen wrote:
On 6/7/2013 9:50 AM, Dan White wrote:
OpenPGP and other end-to-end protocols protect against all nefarious
actors, including state entities. I'll admit my first reaction yesterday
after hearing this news was - so what? Network security by its nature
On 6/7/2013 11:42 AM, Dan White wrote:
I believe it's your responsibility to protect your own data, not the
government's, and certainly not Facebook's.
Dan, I agree with everything you said in your last post. Except this
part misses the point. Yes, it may not be their job to protect the data,
- Original Message -
From: Robert Mathews (OSIA) math...@hawaii.edu
On 6/6/2013 7:35 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
[ . ] Happily, none of the companies listed are transport
networks:
[ ]
Cheers,
-- jra
Could you be certain that TWC, Comcast, Qwest/CenturyLink
- Original Message -
From: Robert Mathews (OSIA) math...@hawaii.edu
On 6/6/2013 9:22 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
Pay attention. None of the ones *listed* are transport networks.
Doesn't mean they're not involved but unlisted (as of yet).
*Vladis: * /sarcasm on I thank
- Original Message -
From: Robert Mathews (OSIA) math...@hawaii.edu
Being an AGENT or AGENCY of Change is not an activity most are CAPABLE
of effectively thinking about, let alone acting upon.
[ ... ]
Laziness aside, permit me to humbly note that emphasis on COMPLIANCE
(with sane
- Original Message -
From: Mark Seiden m...@seiden.com
but the ability to assemble intelligence out of taps on providers'
internal connections
would require reverse engineering the ever changing protocols of all
of those providers.
and at least at one of the providers named, where i
On 6/7/13 8:28 AM, tei'' wrote:
This is one of these Save the forest by burning it situations that
don't have any logic.
To save a forest firefighters often cut a few tree. Don't cut all the
trees in a forest to save it from a fire.
Seasonal work, many solar obits past.
Well, actually,
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.comwrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Has fingers directly in servers of top Internet content companies,
dates to 2007. Happily, none of the companies listed are transport
networks:
On 6/7/2013 11:58 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
With all due respect, Dr Mathews, I *know* Valdis[1]' reputation; he's a
regular participant here.
Who are you again?
Cheers,
-- jra
[1] Note proper spelling of his name[2].
[2] Note that I spelled your name correctly as well.
I am no one
my Mobile Device.
Original message
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
Date: 06/07/2013 9:34 AM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.comwrote
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:57:07 -0700, Mark Seiden said:
and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt cannot do anything like
this
addressing even a single provider for that little money.
Convince me the *real* number doesn't have another zero.
Remember - the $20M number came from a
i have talked with a dozen people about this who ought to know if there were
something
more creepy than usual going on.
and nobody in engineering knows of anything. but hm, people in compliance said
no comment.
that, and the $20M annual number, suggests that what they actually did was set
- Original Message -
From: Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:57:07 -0700, Mark Seiden said:
and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt cannot do
anything like this addressing even a single provider for that little money.
Convince me the
message
From: Mark Seiden m...@seiden.com
Date: 06/07/2013 12:11 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
Cc: goe...@anime.net,NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
i have talked with a dozen people about this who ought to know if there were
...@baylink.com
Date: 06/07/2013 12:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
- Original Message -
From: Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:57:07 -0700, Mark Seiden said:
and also, only $20m/year? in my
:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
- Original Message -
From: Valdis Kletnieks valdis.kletni...@vt.edu
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 22:57:07 -0700, Mark Seiden said:
and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt
On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Mark Seiden m...@seiden.com wrote:
and also, only $20m/year? in my experience, the govt cannot do anything
like this
addressing even a single provider for that little money.
I've been trying to find details to the contrary but as far as I see,
there's no indication that the constitutional (or otherwise) rights of
any US citizens (or anyone, anywhere, for that matter) are being
overtly (or otherwise) trampled which would seem to be the pertinent
objection.
The
a...@newslink.com
Date: 06/07/2013 1:38 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: NANOG list nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:57 AM, Mark Seiden m...@seiden.com wrote:
and also
)
To: Warren Bailey wbai...@satelliteintelligencegroup.com
Cc: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com,NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
I assume the unclassified word Prism (which is found everywhere on IC resumes
and open job descriptions) refers to Palantir's Prism
not speaking the truth the same thing?
;-)
mh
Sent from my Mobile Device.
Original message
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
Date: 06/07/2013 9:34 AM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On Thu
message
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
Date: 06/07/2013 9:34 AM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.comwrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Jay
message
From: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.commailto:j...@baylink.com
Date: 06/07/2013 12:16 PM (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
- Original Message -
From: Valdis Kletnieks
valdis.kletni
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/07/obama-china-targets-cyber-overseas
the headline may be misleading.
Presidential Policy Directive 20 defines OCEO as operations and
related programs or activities … conducted by or on behalf of the
United States Government, in or through cyberspace,
the truth the same thing?
;-)
mh
Sent from my Mobile Device.
Original message
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
Date: 06/07/2013 9:34 AM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On Thu, Jun
: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Matthew Petach
mpet...@netflight.comwrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Has fingers directly in servers of top Internet content companies,
dates to 2007. Happily, none
Sorry for the top post
.
Original message
From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com
Date: 06/07/2013 9:34 AM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Matthew Petach
mpet...@netflight.comwrote
...@netflight.com
Date: 06/07/2013 9:34 AM (GMT-08:00)
To:
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Matthew Petach
mpet...@netflight.comwrote:
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com
Server maintenance at 00 on my end.
Dan,
While the government has no responsibility to protect my data, they do have a
responsibility to respect my privacy. While you are correct in that proper
personal security procedures to protect my data from random crackers would, in
fact, also protect it from the government, that's a far
Yeah... so when are we rioting? Because they'll just continue to make laws
that circumvent the constitution.
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote:
Dan,
While the government has no responsibility to protect my data, they do
have a responsibility to respect my
I think we know now, that they will know we are organizing.
Sent from my Mobile Device.
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From: Ishmael Rufus sakam...@gmail.com
Date: 06/07/2013 6:32 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com
Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote:
Has fingers directly in servers of top Internet content companies,
dates to 2007. Happily, none of the companies listed are transport
networks:
Has fingers directly in servers of top Internet content companies,
dates to 2007. Happily, none of the companies listed are transport
networks:
I've always just assumed that if it's in electronic form, someone else is
either
reading it now, has already read it, or will read it as soon
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, Matthew Petach wrote:
Much less stress in life that way. ^_^
complacency is always the easiest path.
many abuse@ mailboxes follow the same policy.
-Dan
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 17:04:43 -0700, Matthew Petach said:
I've always just assumed that if it's in electronic form,
someone else is either reading it now, has already read
it, or will read it as soon as I walk away from the screen.
Things like PGP, TrueCrypt, and Tor help a lot in leveling the
Agreed. I can already pretty much just assume this widespread
surveillance is going on.
The Bluffdale, Utah facility isn't being built to store nothing.
It's happening whether we like it or not.
When I care about my privacy, I know that I have to take matters into
my own hands.
GnuPG and TLS are
Knowing its going on, knowing nothing online is secret != OK with it, it
mealy understand the way things are.
-jim
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:16 PM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, Matthew Petach wrote:
Much less stress in life that way. ^_^
complacency is always the easiest
On 6/6/2013 7:35 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
[ . ] Happily, none of the companies listed are transport
networks:
[ ]
Cheers,
-- jra
Could you be certain that TWC, Comcast, Qwest/CenturyLink could not be
involved?
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 21:12:35 -0400, Robert Mathews (OSIA) said:
On 6/6/2013 7:35 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
[ . ] Happily, none of the companies listed are transport networks:
Could you be certain that TWC, Comcast, Qwest/CenturyLink could not be
involved?
Pay attention. None of the
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On 6/6/2013 9:22 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 21:12:35 -0400, Robert Mathews (OSIA) said:
On 6/6/2013 7:35 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
[ . ] Happily, none of the companies listed are transport
networks:
Could you be
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