RE: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-15 Thread Michel Py
Hi John, > John Curran wrote : > Even so, we at ARIN are in the midst of a Board-directed review of the RPKI > legal framework to see if any improvements can be made > > – I will provide further updates

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , John Curran wrote: >Alas, it’s not those who fail to properly configure RPKI that are likely to be >litigating, but rather their impacted customers and those customers' business >partners who all were unable to communicate due to no fault of their own. > >Such a matter will not be

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> There's obviously a disconnect where people aren't worried about indemnifying > Spamhaus for using their block list, but are worried about indemnifying ARIN > for > using the TAL. That would be because there is a rather substantial difference between publishing an IP address for which you

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 16:07:49 -, John Curran said: > > But I suspect a lot of companies are reading it as: "If a spammer sues you > > for using > > a block list that prevents them from spamming your customers, you can't end > > up > > owing money to the block list maintainers. But if you

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:09 PM John Curran wrote: > On 14 Aug 2019, at 11:15 AM, Valdis Klētnieks > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 02:42:09 -, John Curran said: > > > >> You might want want to ask them why they are now a problem when they > weren’t > >> before (Also worth noting that

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread John Curran
On 14 Aug 2019, at 11:15 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 02:42:09 -, John Curran said: > >> You might want want to ask them why they are now a problem when they weren’t >> before (Also worth noting that many of these ISP's own contracts with their >> customers have

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 02:42:09 -, John Curran said: > You might want want to ask them why they are now a problem when they weren’t > before (Also worth noting that many of these ISP's own contracts with their > customers have rather similar indemnification clauses.) Actually, it's probably

Re: RPKI adoption

2019-08-14 Thread Job Snijders
Dear all, On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:36:44AM +, John Curran wrote: > On 14 Aug 2019, at 2:26 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: > > ... > > Now, at the risk of bringing down the ire of the community on my > > head...ARIN could consider tying the elements together, at least for > > ARIN members. Add

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread John Curran
On 14 Aug 2019, at 1:21 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette mailto:r...@tristatelogic.com>> wrote: In message <06570278-e1ad-4bb0-a9fc-11a77bed7...@arin.net>, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: Even so, we at ARIN are in the midst of a

Re: RPKI adoption

2019-08-14 Thread John Curran
On 14 Aug 2019, at 12:51 AM, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > … > Just like to add kudos to John for being open and responsive on this list and > other lists to numerous issues and questions in regards to ARIN. Not many > CEOs are willing or able to respond as you do. Hank - Thanks! – as

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread John Curran
On 14 Aug 2019, at 2:26 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: > ... > Now, at the risk of bringing down the ire > of the community on my head...ARIN could > consider tying the elements together, at > least for ARIN members. Add the RPKI terms > into the RSA document. You need IP number > resources,

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread John Curran
On 14 Aug 2019, at 1:01 AM, William Herrin wrote: > ... > > I would observe that continued use at that point has been held > > to indicate agreement on your part [ref: Register.com, Inc. v. Verio, Inc., > > 356 F.3d 393 (2d Cir. 2004)] > > In which Verio admitted to the court that they knew

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-14 Thread Matthew Petach
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 5:44 PM John Curran wrote: > On 13 Aug 2019, at 9:28 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > > ... > The last time I looked, RPKI adoption was sitting at around a grand total > of 15% worldwide. Ah yes, here it is... > > https://rpki-monitor.antd.nist.gov/ > > I've asked

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-13 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <06570278-e1ad-4bb0-a9fc-11a77bed7...@arin.net>, John Curran wrote: >Even so, we at ARIN are in the midst of a Board-directed review of the RPKI >legal framework to see if any improvements can be made

Re: RPKI adoption

2019-08-13 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 9:51 PM Hank Nussbacher wrote: > Just like to add kudos to John for being open and responsive on this list > and other lists to numerous issues and questions in regards to ARIN. Not > many CEOs are willing or able to respond as you do. > > Thanks for your time and

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-13 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 8:25 PM John Curran wrote: > On 13 Aug 2019, at 11:03 PM, William Herrin wrote: > I signed no legal agreement either to register my legacy addresses or to do a whois lookup to check someone else's addresses. Just sayin’. > > If you instead used a command line interface

Re: RPKI adoption

2019-08-13 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On 14/08/2019 06:24, John Curran wrote: When you did that Whois look up at the ARIN website, you did agree to terms of use for the Whois service which contains indemnification provisions and are legally enforceable. If you instead used a

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-13 Thread John Curran
On 13 Aug 2019, at 11:03 PM, William Herrin mailto:b...@herrin.us>> wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:42 PM John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: On 13 Aug 2019, at 9:28 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette mailto:r...@tristatelogic.com>> wrote: The last time I looked, RPKI adoption was sitting at

Re: RPKI adoption (was: Re: Corporate Identity Theft: Azuki, LLC -- AS13389, 216.179.128.0/17)

2019-08-13 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 7:42 PM John Curran wrote: > On 13 Aug 2019, at 9:28 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > > The last time I looked, RPKI adoption was sitting at around a grand total > of 15% worldwide. Ah yes, here it is... > > https://rpki-monitor.antd.nist.gov/ > > I've asked many