Great presentation!
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:16 AM Matthew Petach
wrote:
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> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 07:17 Dorn Hetzel wrote:
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>> One hopes there is some respectable, perhaps even paranoid, encryption on
>> his control functions.
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> Talk about timely! We just had a very nice
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 07:17 Dorn Hetzel wrote:
> One hopes there is some respectable, perhaps even paranoid, encryption on
> his control functions.
>
>>
Talk about timely! We just had a very nice presentation about this in
Austin:
One hopes there is some respectable, perhaps even paranoid, encryption on
his control functions.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 6:41 PM Mike wrote:
> You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack starlink in
> space, they are going to take over it's command and control functions and
>
Further!
Here's a page with about 25 dial-up ISPs in Ukraine:
https://isp.today/en/list-of-all-services/UKRAINE,toic-14,c-1
If I go to www.ua.net, as one try, they list dial-up services and
prices:
http://www.ua.net/price/ediup.htm
Looks current.
The point being that dial-up internet
1. They don't have to wait or hope for a starlink terminal to arrive.
They just have to dig out an old serial modem or system with one built
in (they were common), find a phone line which will support that, and
figure out how to get a dial-up account and use it. Like most of the
world did ~20
On Thu, 2022-03-03 at 01:12 -0500, b...@theworld.com wrote:
> If Ukrainians wanted internet access and to get around blocking it'd
> probably be more effective to dig out old serial modems and get PPP
> dial-up accounts outside the country where phone service that will
> support that still exists.
TBH I doubt Putin et al could care less about a handful of starlinks
in Ukraine.
They're each basically one uplink for one or maybe a few devices in a
country of 44M.
If they did care the easiest/cheapest thing to do would be for the
Russians to sweep neighborhoods for starlink transmission
.. is that a challenge? ;-)
Its a high value target. Even the NSA had it's most critical tools
leaked.someone somewhere is going to get a foot in the door at
starlink, it's just a matter of time (money, or both...).
On 3/2/22 5:27 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
I'm aware of the qualifications
I'm aware of the qualifications and level of knowledge in network
security/cryptography that they hire for positions in Redmond at Starlink
R They are quite picky about who they hire.
Highly doubt that anything that a 3rd party can do from outside of SpaceX's
network is going to gain admin
Invade America?… um, not even close to a thing
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2022 12:39 pm
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Starlink terminals deployed in Ukraine
You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack starlink in
space, they are going
On Wed, 2022-03-02 at 15:39 -0800, Mike wrote:
> You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack
> starlink in space, they are going to take over it's command and
> control functions and deorbit the entire constellation without firing
> a shot.
Gee, sure hope the master password
You guys are missing the obvious. Russia isn't going to attack starlink
in space, they are going to take over it's command and control functions
and deorbit the entire constellation without firing a shot. Same for
China and N. Korea, which both already have ample motivation already to
go after
As I'm reading this - I'm reminded that you don't need to destroy a
satellite to render it ineffective - just fill up the frequencies it's
Tx/Rx on with so much RFI that the pipe no longer bends. It's not as if the
frequencies and sat positions aren't public knowledge...
- Thomas Scott |
The Russians have several ASAT systems not all of them are ground based.
Remember they also have that grappler which locks onto satellites and
destroys them. I think this conflict will be the first one where some
of the battles will be fought in orbit ie the ultimate ‘high ground’ the
NATO
On 3/2/22 9:32 AM, Valdis Klētnieks wrote:
On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 08:51:05 -0500, Dorn Hetzel said:
Yeah, if Russia needs one 1st stage booster for every bird they kill, and
SpaceX needs one 1st stage booster for every 50 they put up Yes,
Russia is bigger than SpaceX, but that's a
On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 08:51:05 -0500, Dorn Hetzel said:
> Yeah, if Russia needs one 1st stage booster for every bird they kill, and
> SpaceX needs one 1st stage booster for every 50 they put up Yes,
> Russia is bigger than SpaceX, but that's a tremendous ratio.
Plus the asymmetry is even
>
> So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
> somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can’t
> do business in the country?
>
There is a difference between a country allowing SpaceX to install a ground
station in their territory, and
Yeah, if Russia needs one 1st stage booster for every bird they kill, and
SpaceX needs one 1st stage booster for every 50 they put up Yes,
Russia is bigger than SpaceX, but that's a tremendous ratio.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:03 PM Matthew Petach wrote:
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> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:59 AM
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:59 AM Scott McGrath wrote:
> Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
> they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
> a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
> I applaud
On Tue, 2022-03-01 at 15:18 -0500, Tom Beecher wrote:
> > Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite
> > weapons and they probably will not hesitate to use them which will
> > make low earth orbit a very dangerous place when Russia starts
> > blowing up the Starlink birds. I
On 3/1/22 10:35, Crist Clark wrote:
So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for
free somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if
you can’t do business in the country?
1. Elon can afford it.
2. Marketing value is huge.
--
Jay Hennigan -
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 10:38 AM Crist Clark wrote:
> So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
> somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can’t
> do business in the country?
>
It's not like Google is billing anyone for using 8.8.8.8 et
On Tue Mar 01, 2022 at 10:35:21AM -0800, Crist Clark wrote:
> So they???re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
> somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can???t
> do business in the country?
Who knows but someone got an imported one running
to knock down a dozen I would suggest and
the retaliation would be significant for such a blatant attack on a NATO
countries assets.
From: NANOG On Behalf Of Scott
McGrath
Sent: Wednesday, 2 March 2022 8:57 am
To: Phineas Walton
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: Starlink terminals deployed
>
> Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
> they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
> a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
> I applaud the humanitarian aspect of providing Starlink service,
Kinda like sending Captain Kirk on a space launch. Amazing marketing!
On 3/1/22 11:41, Phineas Walton wrote:
This is more of a brand image / marketing stunt for Starlink. A pretty
ingenious way to market which will heavily pay off long term. To them,
this is cheap for how much attention it’s
Starlink however forgets that Russia does have anti satellite weapons and
they probably will not hesitate to use them which will make low earth orbit
a very dangerous place when Russia starts blowing up the Starlink birds.
I applaud the humanitarian aspect of providing Starlink service,
This is more of a brand image / marketing stunt for Starlink. A pretty
ingenious way to market which will heavily pay off long term. To them, this
is cheap for how much attention it’s getting them.
Phin
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 6:36 PM Crist Clark wrote:
> So they’re going to offer the service
So they’re going to offer the service to anyone in a denied area for free
somehow? How do you send someone a bill or how do they pay it if you can’t
do business in the country?
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:39 PM Jay Hennigan wrote:
> On 2/28/22 16:17, Michael Thomas wrote:
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> > As a practical
Yes, most starlink is via AS36492. They also have AS27277, though I'm not
sure if that's in active use for consumer traffic.
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 11:58, ic wrote:
> Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
>
> > On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui
Starlink uses Google as their ground provider - Google invested $1bn into
Starlink so it’s no wonder.
Phin
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 5:58 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> As Google's ASN?
>
> https://bgp.he.net/AS36492
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:56 AM ic wrote:
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>> Friends who have Starlink
- Original Message -
From: "ic"
To: "Ong Beng Hui"
Cc: "NANOG list"
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2022 10:56:24 AM
Subject: Re: Starlink terminals deployed in Ukraine
Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
> On 1 Mar 20
As Google's ASN?
https://bgp.he.net/AS36492
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 11:56 AM ic wrote:
> Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
>
> > On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui wrote:
> >
> > Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
> >
> > That throw geo
Friends who have Starlink terminals in Europe (cz) go out through AS36492.
> On 1 Mar 2022, at 05:48, Ong Beng Hui wrote:
>
> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
>
> That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 8:47 AM Dovid Bender wrote:
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> From a quick google search it seems to be 14593.
>
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> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 11:48 PM Ong Beng Hui wrote:
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>> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
>>
>> That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
One way to avoid
>From a quick google search it seems to be 14593.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 11:48 PM Ong Beng Hui wrote:
> Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
>
> That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
>
> On 3/1/2022 6:55 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
> >
>
Curious, will that be with starlink ASN then ?
That throw geo detection via IP out right away.
On 3/1/2022 6:55 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/ukraine-updates-starlink-satellite-dishes.html
As of right now >90% of the starlink satellites in orbit function in what
we would call a bent pipe topology, where a moving LEO satellite at any
given moment in time needs to be simultaneously in view of a starlink-run
earth station and the CPE.
They have been launching satellites with
On 2/28/22 4:29 PM, Karl Auer wrote:
On Mon, 2022-02-28 at 16:17 -0800, Michael Thomas wrote:
As a practical matter how does this help? You need to have base
stations/dishes, right?
Anyone with a dish and power can connect to the Internet. That's it.
If a dish owner chooses to allow too
On 2/28/22 16:17, Michael Thomas wrote:
As a practical matter how does this help? You need to have base
stations/dishes, right? Can they be beefy ones that can pump out
gigabytes that would be capable of backfilling the load? Or would it
need to be multiple in parallel? Wouldn't that
On Mon, 2022-02-28 at 16:17 -0800, Michael Thomas wrote:
> As a practical matter how does this help? You need to have base
> stations/dishes, right?
Anyone with a dish and power can connect to the Internet. That's it.
If a dish owner chooses to allow too many people to share their uplink,
then
On 2/28/22 2:55 PM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/28/ukraine-updates-starlink-satellite-dishes.html
As a practical matter how does this help? You need to have base
stations/dishes, right? Can they be beefy ones that can pump out
gigabytes that would be capable of
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