On 12/7/21 18:57, Jean St-Laurent wrote:
I thought 5G here meant Fifth Generation of mobile network and not 5
Ghz wifi. I don’t need a sim card to use wifi on 5 Ghz.
Is the private 5G network advertised by Amazon a kind of?
Put a sim card in that phone and use our 5^th Gen mobile gears.
you in advance for your time and patience
Jean
From: Tom Beecher
Sent: December 6, 2021 3:04 PM
To: Jean St-Laurent
Cc: Mark Tinka ; NANOG
Subject: Re: private 5G networks?
To come back on Private 5G networks. Can a private 5G network protect against
spyware like Pegazus
To: Jean St-Laurent
Cc: Mark Tinka ; NANOG
Subject: Re: private 5G networks?
To come back on Private 5G networks. Can a private 5G network protect against
spyware like Pegazus?
No disrespect intended here, but you are essentially asking if going from
2.4GHz Wifi to 5GHz wifi will make things
Tinka
> Sent: December 6, 2021 10:02 AM
> To: Jean St-Laurent ; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: private 5G networks?
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>
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> On 12/6/21 15:56, Jean St-Laurent wrote:
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> > I vouch for fairness.
> >
> > It seems there might be a shift in how we consume servic
On 12/6/21 19:34, Jean St-Laurent wrote:
Strangely, there is apparently a lawsuit of $150B against Meta for for
facilitating Rohingya Genocide . I am not sure how valid it is and where it
will go, but $150B is quite something.
It looks like the price a country has to pay after a war.
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From: Mark Tinka
Sent: December 6, 2021 10:02 AM
To: Jean St-Laurent ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: private 5G networks?
On 12/6/21 15:56, Jean St-Laurent wrote:
> I vouch for fairness.
>
> It seems there might be a shift in how we consume services around the world.
> It's
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 3:42 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:
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> On 01.12.21 15:17, Tom Beecher wrote:
>> While you are correct that it's just as illegal to intentionally interfere
>> with the unlicensed wifi bands as it is with CBRS, the difference is that
>> the FCC and regulatory bodies are much
On 01.12.21 15:17, Tom Beecher wrote:
While you are correct that it's just as illegal to intentionally
interfere with the unlicensed wifi bands as it is with CBRS, the
difference is that the FCC and regulatory bodies are much more likely
to investigate and take action against intentional
On 12/6/21 15:56, Jean St-Laurent wrote:
I vouch for fairness.
It seems there might be a shift in how we consume services around the world.
It's like a train. You can't turn 90 degrees. You need to start a smooth curve
many miles ahead if you want your train to turn and reach the
Subject: Re: private 5G networks?
On 12/6/21 15:10, Jean St-Laurent wrote:
> Probably not. There seem to be a new portfolio starting.
>
> Your telco could probably have a special product for business/enterprises
> which need private 5G without all the learning of technical stuff
On 12/6/21 15:10, Jean St-Laurent wrote:
Probably not. There seem to be a new portfolio starting.
Your telco could probably have a special product for business/enterprises which
need private 5G without all the learning of technical stuff.
If Amazon went from selling books to being the
.
While at it, make sure you tell your CFO that you want it on IPv6.
Jean
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From: NANOG On Behalf Of Mark Tinka
Sent: December 6, 2021 7:46 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: private 5G networks?
On 12/4/21 16:52, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG wrote:
> Maybe the m
On 12/4/21 16:52, Jean St-Laurent via NANOG wrote:
Maybe the main argument is: run a Pegasus free 5g/lte network.
Mr. Besos was hack by that and it's probably a technical way to start
protecting customers against that kind of sophisticated spywares that spread
in the normal mobile network.
Maybe the main argument is: run a Pegasus free 5g/lte network.
Mr. Besos was hack by that and it's probably a technical way to start
protecting customers against that kind of sophisticated spywares that spread
in the normal mobile network.
I might be wrong and probably Pegasus can still
On Wed, Dec 01, 2021 at 12:23:46PM +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
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> And yes these are low bandwidth but on the other hand often stretch wifi to
> the very limits on the distance between bases. I am not claiming this is
> the same use case as a warehouse. I am pointing out that the
>
> This should give a good overview:
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> https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/files/128950142/COMST2661384.pdf
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> It is in fact quite interesting.
>
Thanks for sharing that. Excellent read, really interesting stuff.
Couple quick takeaways:
- The design is clearly well thought out to account for
>
> If we are talking about wifi 6E on 6 GHz sitting in a parking lot trying
> to cause harmful interference within legal limits will not successfully
> harm the operation within a building, especially not if the owner has a
> security perimeter. Harmful interference on purpose is not legal in any
On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 at 23:48, Shane Ronan wrote:
> Please provide details on public transit systems that are controlled via
> Wifi, I find that very interesting.
>
This should give a good overview:
https://backend.orbit.dtu.dk/ws/files/128950142/COMST2661384.pdf
It is in fact quite
Sorry, I wasn't sure what you meant by 3rd tier, but yes, we are talking
about GAA.
The important bit is as I stated is "or that nobody currently is
transmitting on"
And yes, the CBRS Radio, called a CBSD must be configured ahead of time to
making freq grant requests to the SAS. This happens via
Michael Thomas wrote:
> > What do you mean 3rd Tier?
> General Authorized Access? Taken from some random site looking it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Broadband_Radio_Service
it has 3 tiers:
* Incumbent access, primarily government and military radars, plus some
pre-existing
My understanding is those systems require very little bandwidth, so barring a
full “jam” of the full spectrum, it can still operate.
This is not the same use case as most private 5G implementations.
Shame
> On Nov 30, 2021, at 6:05 PM, James Jun wrote:
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> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 05:48:28PM
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 05:48:28PM -0500, Shane Ronan wrote:
> Please provide details on public transit systems that are controlled via
> Wifi, I find that very interesting.
>
He's talking about CBTC running on 2.4Ghz band for DCS. And yes he is right,
numerous metro subway systems use this.
Please provide details on public transit systems that are controlled via
Wifi, I find that very interesting.
Shane
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 5:43 PM Baldur Norddahl
wrote:
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> tir. 30. nov. 2021 23.19 skrev Tom Beecher :
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>> In my view there is no practical difference. The owner has full
I'm sorry Anthony, but you are just plain wrong. You do not have protection
rights which means that people can infringe, but the SAS will only provide
you a channel that others haven't already been granted. This is very
different from protection rights which are guaranteed to higher class
users.
tir. 30. nov. 2021 23.19 skrev Tom Beecher :
> In my view there is no practical difference. The owner has full control of
>> his warehouse and it would be very illegal for any outside party to install
>> any device at all including unauthorised wifi devices.
>>
>
> Nothing illegal about someone
Opps,
Replied direct this is a bit one sided of the conversation but I want to
make certain the community is clear on this as CBRS is a valuable spectrum.
Unfortunately Shane this is incorrect. GAA is not significantly
different then any unlicensed spectrum as to interference avoidance.
>
> In my view there is no practical difference. The owner has full control of
> his warehouse and it would be very illegal for any outside party to install
> any device at all including unauthorised wifi devices.
>
Nothing illegal about someone sitting in a parking lot next door with a
tir. 30. nov. 2021 22.09 skrev Shane Ronan :
> Happy, no, but it wouldn't be illegal. And if they are building their
> warehouse automation based on wifi, it would surely be a problem if someone
> was competing for bandwidth.
>
In my view there is no practical difference. The owner has full
Happy, no, but it wouldn't be illegal. And if they are building their
warehouse automation based on wifi, it would surely be a problem if someone
was competing for bandwidth.
The policy functions and timing interval of a cellular network are also far
superior to wifi.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at
On 11/30/21 12:53 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
What makes it different is once you've been allocated spectrum, which
for in-building use is almost guaranteed, no one else can use that
spectrum, so it's guaranteed. Unlike Wifi, where any device can
transmit in those frequencies.
If it's in premise
What makes it different is once you've been allocated spectrum, which for
in-building use is almost guaranteed, no one else can use that spectrum, so
it's guaranteed. Unlike Wifi, where any device can transmit in those
frequencies.
Shane
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:45 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
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My assumption was that he meant GAA.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:48 PM Shane Ronan wrote:
> What do you mean 3rd Tier?
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
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>>
>> On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote:
>>
>> The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over
On 11/30/21 12:43 PM, Shane Ronan wrote:
What do you mean 3rd Tier?
General Authorized Access? Taken from some random site looking it up.
Mike
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote:
The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY
What do you mean 3rd Tier?
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
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> On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote:
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> The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over Wifi,
> including but not limited to guaranteed spectrum.
>
> For the 3rd tier I assume that works pretty
Except there is spectrum available which is not subject to PAL, and for an
inbuilding system with low power, there are specific exemptions that make
it almost guaranteed when requested properly from the SAS.
Shane
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:06 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
> There is no guaranteed
Wifi handoff is 802.11r.
Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:47 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
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> On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote:
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> The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over
There is no guaranteed spectrum in CBRS without a PAL. That auction has
come and gone, but the license holders may rent out channels in time (this
is expected to happen).
Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021
On 11/30/21 11:38 AM, Shane Ronan wrote:
The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over Wifi,
including but not limited to guaranteed spectrum.
For the 3rd tier I assume that works pretty much like wifi spectrum,
right? It seems to be at about 3.5Ghz so that would be pretty
The spectrum is CBRS and there are MANY benefits to 5G over Wifi, including
but not limited to guaranteed spectrum.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 2:29 PM Michael Thomas wrote:
> https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2021/11/preview-aws-private-5g/
>
> Why would somebody want this over wifi?
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