Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-10 Thread bzs
On October 9, 2019 at 17:12 b...@herrin.us (William Herrin) wrote: > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:30 PM John R. Levine wrote: > > > Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly > > > off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP > > > packet src/dest)

RE: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-10 Thread Kevin Menzel
ege -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of b...@theworld.com Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 5:43 PM To: John Levine Cc: nanog@nanog.org; b...@theworld.com Subject: Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment OK OK OK. Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly off-b

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-10 Thread Tony Finch
b...@theworld.com wrote: > > Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly > off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP > packet src/dest) as: [snip] This reminds me of the named data networking research project https://named-data.net/project/faq/

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Oct 9, 2019, at 18:43 , Matt Harris wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 5:28 PM Owen DeLong > wrote: > > > URLs are an obvious candidate to consider because they're in use, seem > > to basically work to identify routing endpoints, and are far from a > > random, out

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread Matt Harris
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 5:28 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > URLs are an obvious candidate to consider because they're in use, seem > > to basically work to identify routing endpoints, and are far from a > > random, out of thin air, choice. > > In reality, you’re not really talking about URLs here,

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread Masataka Ohta
John R. Levine wrote: There's only a few thousand top level domains, so routers should he able to handle this with no problem.  Whaddaya think? Hierarchy inconsistent with network topology is useless for routing. Masataka Ohta

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 4:30 PM John R. Levine wrote: > > Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly > > off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP > > packet src/dest) as: > > > > We can't do that! It would require changing something! > > Nope.

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread John R. Levine
Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP packet src/dest) as: We can't do that! It would require changing something! Nope. You can summarize it as "it doesn't scale", which is what has killed

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 09 Oct 2019 17:43:00 -0400, b...@theworld.com said: > URLs are an obvious candidate to consider because they're in use, seem > to basically work to identify routing endpoints, and are far from a > random, out of thin air, choice. So explain in detail how a router gets from "URL" to

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread Masataka Ohta
b...@theworld.com wrote: URLs are, to a machine, just bit strings though they do incorporate a hierarchical structure which isn't that dissimilar from current network/host parts of IP addresses. Wrong. CIDR hierarchy (available within ASes) has strong correlation to network topology that

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread Owen DeLong
> On Oct 9, 2019, at 14:43 , b...@theworld.com wrote: > > > OK OK OK. > > Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly > off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP > packet src/dest) as: > > We can't do that! It would require changing

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread bzs
OK OK OK. Can I summarize the current round of objections to my admittedly off-beat proposal (use basically URLs rather than IP addresses in IP packet src/dest) as: We can't do that! It would require changing something! I've no doubt many here are comfortable with the current architecture.

Re: worse than IPv6 Pain Experiment

2019-10-09 Thread John Levine
In article <23963.65395.763065.591...@gargle.gargle.howl> you write: >So I proposed we dump numeric addresses entirely and use basically >URLs in IP packets and elsewhere. > >I really meant something like 'IP://www.TheWorld.com' in the >source/dest addr, possibly more specific for multiple