Getting Rid of my Caste and Surname

2011-04-10 Thread VINOD BHANTI
Dear Amitabh

Congrats for taking a firm decision, I feel that casteism is one thing which 
has affected
our social and cultural development, we have to come out of this, although have 
not
changed my family name, which comes from ancestral village, I have always 
believed in a casteless society

In our family I have daughter in-laws from different castes , my sisters are 
married in different communities
but every body is happy with thick bond's of unison.

My best wishes to you and your family, keep it up.


Vinod Bhanti







Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:42:24 +0530
Subject: Getting Rid of my Caste and Surname
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Today I made a formal Affidavit before the Oath Commissioner in Meerut whereby 
I have declared that considering the overall adverse and undesirable effects of 
Caste system in India, from today onwards, I shall be having no caste of mine. 
Thus, in all administrative, official and social documents, records and 
acceptances, wherever caste is needed,in my case  it shall be deemed to be No 
Caste or Caste-less. I have also removed the Thakur surname attached to my 
name Amitabh so that henceforth I shall be called only Amitabh instead of 
Amitabh Thakur in all  administrative, official and social documents, records 
and acceptances. At the same time, I shall also be working in my own little way 
towards the cause of a Caste-less society.How would my friends react to it?

Affidavit
I, hitherto Amitabh Thakur s/o Sri Tapeshwar Narayan Thakur, r/o 5/426, Viram 
Khand, Gomti Nagar, Lucknow (presently SP, Economic offences Wing, Meerut), 
hereby solemnly affirm on oath-
1. That I was born on 16th June 1968 in Muzaffarpur, Bihar
2. That I was born in a Hindu Bhumihar Brahman family
3. That I was named Amitabh Thakur by my family members
4. That till now I have been known to the world around as Amitabh Thakur 
belonging to Bhumihar Brahman caste
5. That after a deep and prolonged thinking,  I have come to the conclusion 
that the Caste system in India is acting as a great burden for our 
socio-political system and the situation is deteriorating by every day
6. That I have a firm conviction that Caste system is one factor that adversely 
affects the progress of our Nation
7. That I feel that this caste system is playing a divisive role in our society 
and is often being used for justifying even unjustifiable stands and actions
8. That this has made me acknowledge that the time has come when we need to 
accept the teachings of people like Bhagwan Mahavir, Gautam Buddha, Sant Kabir 
Das and many other great persons of this soil belonging to the modern era as 
regards complete abolition of the Caste system
9.That based on the abovementioned facts, the minimum that I think 
I need to do is to get rid of this Caste system
10.  That hence from today onwards, I shall be having no caste of mine
11.  That in all administrative, official and social documents, records 
and acceptances, wherever my caste is needed, it shall be deemed to be No 
Caste or Casteless
12.  That accordingly hereby  I also remove the Thakur surname 
attached to my name Amitabh
13.  That hence from today onwards, I shall be called only Amitabh 
instead of Amitabh Thakur in all  administrative, official and social 
documents, records and acceptances
14.  That I shall initiate the required and due processes for this once 
having made this Affidavit
15.  That I am taking this decision in all my senses and having 
thoroughly gone into the pros and cons of the action I am doing and its related 
consequences.
16.  That I am taking this decision only as regards me and it shall not 
have any effect on my wife Dr Nutan Thakur or my two children Tanaya Thakur or 
Aditya Thakur, who are free to choose their own course of action about this 
aspect

Hence, Help me God.


(Amitabh)

5/426, Viram 
Khand,

Gomti Nagar, 
Lucknow

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Re: About getting Rid of my caste and surname

2011-04-10 Thread prajapati pushp
Mr Prasan,
 
 You are 100% right.Visham vishashya ausadham(poison is the 
medicine
for poison). The castism practiced so far by one set of people will be 
reciprocated by
the other set of people who have suffered for thosands of years.Every action 
has equal
and opposite reaction. So dropping of title by one person does not make any 
change.
Caste system is accepted officially by the country and is treated to be legal. 
Dropping
of title by one person cannot remove caste system even in billion years.See,Mr 
Amitabh
could not drop the titles of his wife and children.How difficult is this!!!
 
Pushp

--- On Sat, 9/4/11, sai prasan saipras...@gmail.com wrote:


From: sai prasan saipras...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: About getting Rid of my caste and surname
To: national-forum-of-in...@ozg.in
Date: Saturday, 9 April, 2011, 8:25 AM


 



Dear  Mr Amitabh Thakur now changed to only Amitabh,

Glad to know that you have realised at the Age of 42 that annihilation of caste 
is important for the Indian society which Dr BR Ambedkar advocated 60 years 
back. But, only removing of title may not help much as Dr Ram Manohar Lohia 
said that the caste system has inculcated a different kind of mind-set among 
the upper and lower castes. The upper got egoist and arrogant and the lower 
caste developed frustration due to the 3,000 years old caste system.

In fact, the realisation of caste system has come among the upper caste because 
of the Dalit assertion in Indian politics, for example the BSP rule in UP has 
forced the upper caste to realise the ill-effect of the caste system. Caste 
system is very old, it will take 10% time of its existence - 300 years - to 
wither away.

I wish the Dalit-Tribal rule extend to all the states as well as at the Centre 
which can accelerate the decadence of the caste system in India.

Wish you a good luck,

Sai Prasan
09702888261

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On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Amitabh Thakur amitab...@yahoo.com wrote:


 







Friends,

Today I made a formal Affidavit before the Oath Commissioner in Meerut whereby 
I have declared that considering the overall adverse and undesirable effects of 
Caste system in India, from today onwards, I shall be having no caste of mine. 
Thus, in all administrative, official and social documents, records and 
acceptances, wherever caste is needed,in my case  it shall be deemed to be “No 
Caste” or “Caste-less”. I have also removed the “Thakur” surname attached to my 
name “Amitabh” so that henceforth I shall be called only “Amitabh” instead of 
“Amitabh Thakur” in all  administrative, official and social documents, records 
and acceptances. At the same time, I shall also be working in my own little way 
towards the cause of a Caste-less society.
How would my friends react to it?

Amitabh
Meerut



Email: national-forum-of-in...@ozg.in






Re: Getting Rid of my Caste and Surname

2011-04-10 Thread sri venkat
Hello

Caste is just an identity, the same way we have other forms of
identity ...such a our name, ethnicity, language, religion,
nationality etc.

Only a person who has given up the entire world (eg a sanyasi) can be
beyond all these forms of identities and relationships.

Amitabh-ji has given up his community identity, but one can ask what
about your name ... that ties you to your religion already.  Would you
consider giving up your name and coming up with a name which does not
identify you with a religion.  That is simply not possible.

The same way.. when we write or speak .. we are immediately identify
with a particular language and its culture be it English or Hindi or
Mandarin.   If Amitabh-ji writes in English or Hindi can't we complain
that he is favoring some languages over others and that is divisive
for India?

What I am trying to say is Amitabh-ji has got it all wrong.  Each and
every form of being in this world has an identity and a proud of it.
Be it a Santhal or a Brahmin or a cat or an elephant.  We all have a
role to play in in this world.  That cannot happen by negating our
identity.

The very dharma of a brahman has to be live in poverty, not indulge in
materialistic pursuits and been an upholder of righteous conduct.
Look at the way of the Brahman priests.  Even now they do not drink,
do not live in luxurious life, do not eat indulgently, do not have
many wives...and they have to lead extremely spartan lifestyles.  Now
that is what has to be emulated by our modern misled brahmans.

Amitabh-ji should actually read and introspect deeply before getting
rid of his caste .. which anyway for the aforesaid reasons are
meaningless anyway.

Venkat


RE: About getting Rid of my caste and surname

2011-04-09 Thread Raktim
Dr. Bhagabanpgokash of Odisha had done this long long ago and everybody, 
including Govt. Of India and CYP, where he worked, had accepted it. Hence, it 
is possible. Now this ned to be a movement. Yes , our 'Secular' Govt. Mechinary 
do insist to have cust and religious divieions. This should be opposed strongly.
- Raktim
Raktim Mukhopadhyay
Human Development  Human Resource Management Advisor/ Consultant

From: Smita Premchander
Sent:  09/04/2011, 12:52
To: national-forum-of-in...@ozg.in

Subject: Re: About getting Rid of my caste and Thakur surname


I congratulate you, Amitabhji, if u are able to do this.

We tried, when the census people cam recently, said we have no caste or
religion, but they did not listen, and by default wrote Hindu against
religion.

Many many more of us should do this, just adopt one surname... reflecting
humanity rather than any caste or religion.

Regards,

Smita Premchander

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Amitabh Thakur amitab...@yahoo.com wrote:



   Friends,

 Today I made a formal Affidavit before the Oath Commissioner in Meerut
 whereby I have declared that considering the overall adverse and undesirable
 effects of Caste system in India, from today onwards, I shall be having no
 caste of mine. Thus, in all administrative, official and social documents,
 records and acceptances, wherever caste is needed,in my case  it shall be
 deemed to be “No Caste” or “Caste-less”. I have also removed the “Thakur”
 surname attached to my name “Amitabh” so that henceforth I shall be called
 only “Amitabh” instead of “Amitabh Thakur” in all  administrative,
 official and social documents, records and acceptances. At the same time, I
 shall also be working in my own little way towards the cause of a Caste-less
 society.
 How would my friends react to it?

 Amitabh
 Meerut






--
Smita Premchander,
Secretary, Sampark, and Development Consultant


Re: About getting Rid of my caste and surname

2011-04-09 Thread sai prasan
*Dear  Mr Amitabh Thakur now changed to only Amitabh,

Glad to know that you have realised at the Age of 42 that annihilation of
caste is important for the Indian society which Dr BR Ambedkar advocated 60
years back. But, only removing of title may not help much as Dr Ram Manohar
Lohia said that the caste system has inculcated a different kind of mind-set
among the upper and lower castes. The upper got egoist and arrogant and the
lower caste developed frustration due to the 3,000 years old caste system.

In fact, the realisation of caste system has come among the upper caste
because of the Dalit assertion in Indian politics, for example the BSP rule
in UP has forced the upper caste to realise the ill-effect of the caste
system. Caste system is very old, it will take 10% time of its existence -
300 years - to wither away.

I wish the Dalit-Tribal rule extend to all the states as well as at the
Centre which can accelerate the decadence of the caste system in India.

Wish you a good luck,

Sai Prasan


*===
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Amitabh Thakur amitab...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Friends,

 Today I made a formal Affidavit before the Oath Commissioner in Meerut
 whereby I have declared that considering the overall adverse and undesirable
 effects of Caste system in India, from today onwards, I shall be having no
 caste of mine. Thus, in all administrative, official and social documents,
 records and acceptances, wherever caste is needed,in my case  it shall be
 deemed to be “No Caste” or “Caste-less”. I have also removed the “Thakur”
 surname attached to my name “Amitabh” so that henceforth I shall be called
 only “Amitabh” instead of “Amitabh Thakur” in all  administrative,
 official and social documents, records and acceptances. At the same time, I
 shall also be working in my own little way towards the cause of a Caste-less
 society.
 How would my friends react to it?

 Amitabh
 Meerut



Email: national-forum-of-in...@ozg.in


Re: About getting Rid of my caste and surname

2011-04-09 Thread Dr. Rajendra Singh
I also congratulate but it must be removed from heart and mind. It will be
further better
if we work for that.

Unfortunately, I carry a 'sir' name but I donot apprecitae it for any reason at
any moment
of time except my name.

One of the biggest reason of corruption is this title. In my opinion social
corruption is

source of other corruptions; weather it is economy, politics or any other thing.

Well done, keep it up
With best regards
 
  Rajendra





From: Smita Premchander smitapremchan...@gmail.com
To: national-forum-of-india@yahoogroups.co.in
Sent: Sat, 9 April, 2011 8:22:00 AM
Subject: Re: About getting Rid of my caste and Thakur surname

 
I congratulate you, Amitabhji, if u are able to do this. 

We tried, when the census people cam recently, said we have no caste or
religion, but they did not listen, and by default wrote Hindu against
religion.

Many many more of us should do this, just adopt one surname... reflecting
humanity rather than any caste or religion. 


Regards,

Smita Premchander


On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Amitabh Thakur amitab...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
Friends,

Today I made a formal Affidavit before the Oath Commissioner in Meerut whereby 
I
have declared that considering the overall adverse and undesirable effects of
Caste system in India, from today onwards, I shall be having no caste of mine.
Thus, in all administrative, official and social documents, records and
acceptances, wherever caste is needed,in my case  it shall be deemed to be “No
Caste” or “Caste-less”. I have also removed the “Thakur” surname attached to my
name “Amitabh” so that henceforth I shall be called only “Amitabh” instead of
“Amitabh Thakur” in all  administrative, official and social documents, records
and acceptances. At the same time, I shall also be working in my own little way
towards the cause of a Caste-less society.
How would my friends react to it?

Amitabh
Meerut




--

Smita Premchander,
Secretary, Sampark, and Development Consultant