[neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-15 Thread gregebert
I'm not an expert on vacuum systems, but the units I see most-commonly for low vacuums (such as what you would see in a typical engine or vacuum cleaner) are inches or mm of mercury; higher vacuums are measured in microns. One Torr (1mm Hg) is 1000 microns. It's a tad silly, because you cannot

[neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-15 Thread Miles Thatch
> supposedly can get down to 35 microns Is there a particular technical reason to not use the torr unit of measurement when discussing vacuum? Just curious if it's just personal choice or if there's a technical principal at play. > My plan is to do some heating/baking while the system is fully

[neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-15 Thread gregebert
I bought an A/C evacuation pump from Harbor Freight Tools that supposedly can get down to 35 microns; I dont have any equipment to measure anywhere near that low. It was a relatively inexpensive pump, around 80 USD. I think it's sufficient to do some experimenting. My plan is to do some

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-15 Thread Miles Thatch
Ah, got it. So first the evacuation must take be done under much lower pressures, before filling the tube back in with the neon argon mixture. That makes sense. So on the subject of the first question. What sort of pump would I have to be looking at? I assume High Vacuum pump is the category

[neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-14 Thread Miles Thatch
Ok, that makes more sense. So in that case High Vacuum is required to evacuate then. What sort of pump would I need to be looking for to achieve that? On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 5:41:36 PM UTC-4 gregebert wrote: > OK, that's once the tube is pressurized with the desired gas. However,

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-14 Thread gregebert
>From what I've researched, getters target oxygen, but I'm certain there are other rogue agents lurking out there to ruin your neon work. On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at 2:47:03 PM UTC-7 Nicholas Stock wrote: > That is also the purpose of using a getter too right? Remove the majority > of

Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-14 Thread Nicholas Stock
That is also the purpose of using a getter too right? Remove the majority of the gaseous impurities before back filling with neon/penning gas mixture? On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 2:41 PM gregebert wrote: > OK, that's once the tube is pressurized with the desired gas. However, to > cleanse the tube

[neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-14 Thread gregebert
OK, that's once the tube is pressurized with the desired gas. However, to cleanse the tube of impurities, it must be baked-out and evacuated to a rather high vacuum. Even at a high vacuum of 1 micron, there are still an extraordinary number of gas molecules present, on the order of 10^16 per

RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-14 Thread Tidak Ada
Microns what? Liquid hydrogen, liquid water liquid Wolfram or liquid mercury? eric Van: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] Namens gregebert Verzonden: donderdag 14 september 2023 17:44 Aan: neonixie-l Onderwerp: [neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating

[neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-14 Thread gregebert
I think you mean 10-50 microns (which is 1000 timer lower), not 10-50 Torr. One atmosphere of pressure is 760 Torr (760mm Hg). I've seen neon-sign texts stating the need to get below 1 micron for proper bombarding, and I imagine nixie tubes are similar. On Thursday, September 14, 2023 at

[neonixie-l] Re: Vacuum pumps for evacuating DIY nixies?

2023-09-14 Thread 'Nick' via neonixie-l
Look at Dalibor's videos. On Thursday, 14 September 2023 at 12:08:57 UTC+1 milesan...@gmail.com wrote: > Good day. > > Since we require to reach vacuums of 10 - 50 torr depending on the gas > mixture. What sort of vacuum pumps are we looking at sourcing to achieve > those levels? > -- You