Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

[JohnK]

Yeah, funny how we 'all' speak 'English'...
We get such a giggle from references in US sitcoms etc.

fanny
noun: fanny
1.Britishvulgar slang - a woman's genitals.
2.North Americaninformal -   a person's buttocks.

verb: Britishinformal
1.mess around and waste time. "they were fannying about in the 
street"

and there are loads more.


John K
Australia.






  - Original Message - 
  From: 'Terry S' via neonixie-l 
  To: neonixie-l 
  Sent: Friday, June 09, 2017 12:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay


  Cracked a fruity?


  I had to google that. 


  A friends little kids used to say that when they passed gas!




  On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 9:50:12 AM UTC-5, johnk wrote:
Well you said/he said  "My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the 
price!'. 
" 
BUT I suspect that you mean he might have said Cheap at Twice the Price 
when 
he meant a bargain. Dear at Half the Price is said too for when it ISN'T a 
bargain.. 
I can remember when I was doing tech work at a radio station and the 
Blurb-writer and Production team made an advert for a client where they did 
say "Cheap at half the price" and were trying to be making the point how 
cheap the product/service was. They actually needed to say the other 
version 
to make their point. I got sworn at and told to stick to my own job. It 
went 
to air. The sponsor cracked a fruity! 
There is a similar pair of sayings on another topic but it escapes my 
memory 
right now. 

Maybe I should be selling my Systron Donner clock. 

John K 
Australia. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Andrews"  
To:  
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay 


> Heh. I swear the 'Make an offer' button wasn't there when I first saw 
> this. But then there were only four up for sale then too. 
> 
> Even at half price, these are too rich for my blood - bearing in mind 
> this is the price for a single tube! 
> 
> My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'. Well, not in this 
> case (for me, if you have the disposable income for these, or can see 
> an investment opportunity, go for it). 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Alic  wrote: 
>> 
>> Don't hesitate to make an offer, since the option is available ;-) 
>> I think the price is meant to be "up to". 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Four NL-8091 on ebay

[Nicholas Stock]

When you find some Jens, could you let me know? ;-)

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, jb-electronics 
wrote:

> Personally I do not think that 8091 tubes are so rare, you just have to
> wait a bit. Cheers Jens
>
>
> On 6/8/2017 9:58 PM, SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F. wrote:
>
> There is a new auction from US about 4 8091
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NL8091-lot-of-4-NOS-Jumbo-
> Nixie-Tubes-Same-as-Boroughs-B-8091-NL-8091-Nixie-/322547684051?hash=
> item4b195712d3:g:h9oAAOSwq~tZOXHb
>
> Lets see for how much they will sell! Hopefully they will sell under 800$.
> Maybe the seller from france will be accept an offer around 150-200 :)
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Four NL-8091 on ebay

[Paul Andrews]

You wait ages for a single NL-8091 and then 13 come at once!

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:58 PM, SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.  
> wrote:
> 
> There is a new auction from US about 4 8091
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NL8091-lot-of-4-NOS-Jumbo-Nixie-Tubes-Same-as-Boroughs-B-8091-NL-8091-Nixie-/322547684051?hash=item4b195712d3:g:h9oAAOSwq~tZOXHb
> 
> Lets see for how much they will sell! Hopefully they will sell under 800$. 
> Maybe the seller from france will be accept an offer around 150-200 :)
> 
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[neonixie-l] Re: Four NL-8091 on ebay

[SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F.]

There is a new auction from US about 4 8091

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NL8091-lot-of-4-NOS-Jumbo-Nixie-Tubes-Same-as-Boroughs-B-8091-NL-8091-Nixie-/322547684051?hash=item4b195712d3:g:h9oAAOSwq~tZOXHb

Lets see for how much they will sell! Hopefully they will sell under 800$. 
Maybe the seller from france will be accept an offer around 150-200 :)


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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Horizontal mesh nixies

[jb-electronics]

In the case of no mesh you do get more sputtering, that is, darkened 
glass. In case of a mesh you get a "sputtering shadow" as can be seen on 
the Wikipedia image [ 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixie_tube#/media/File:ZM1210-operating_edit2.jpg 
]. Jens


On 6/8/2017 8:42 PM, Dan Hollis wrote:
Anyone know if there are any negative performance issues to a 
horizontal mesh, or as in the case of Burroughs b7032 which has no 
mesh at all?


-Dan

On Thu, 8 Jun 2017, Tomasz Kowalczyk wrote:


CD66A seems to come with both rectangular and horizontal meshes. I just
received 6 used CD66A (bad condition, only one has the marking partially
readable, some have remains of red filter, 2 out of 6 are dead) and I'm
googling for more information on those and many photos show back of tube
with CD66A and front with rectangular mesh.
http://www.jb-electronics.de/html/elektronik/nixies/n_sammlung_c.htm
JB shows the rectangular mesh version and mentions it is identical to 
ZM1242

http://www.tube-tester.com/sites/nixie/dat_arch/NEC_catalog_02.pdf
Datasheet from Dieters page shows a CD66(A) with horizontal mesh.

Looking at more pages you can get even more confused. It really seems 
like

few different productions from NEC were labelled as CD66 or CD66A.


W dniu piątek, 2 czerwca 2017 12:13:25 UTC+2 użytkownik Alic napisał:


The nixies with horizontal mesh are quite popular. I like them a lot!
First I thought that there was only the CD66, but then I discovered the
ZM1210, ZM1177 and CD64.
But there must be more. Which nixies am I missing?


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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Horizontal mesh nixies

[Dan Hollis]

Anyone know if there are any negative performance issues to a horizontal 
mesh, or as in the case of Burroughs b7032 which has no mesh at all?


-Dan

On Thu, 8 Jun 2017, Tomasz Kowalczyk wrote:


CD66A seems to come with both rectangular and horizontal meshes. I just
received 6 used CD66A (bad condition, only one has the marking partially
readable, some have remains of red filter, 2 out of 6 are dead) and I'm
googling for more information on those and many photos show back of tube
with CD66A and front with rectangular mesh.
http://www.jb-electronics.de/html/elektronik/nixies/n_sammlung_c.htm
JB shows the rectangular mesh version and mentions it is identical to ZM1242
http://www.tube-tester.com/sites/nixie/dat_arch/NEC_catalog_02.pdf
Datasheet from Dieters page shows a CD66(A) with horizontal mesh.

Looking at more pages you can get even more confused. It really seems like
few different productions from NEC were labelled as CD66 or CD66A.


W dniu pi??tek, 2 czerwca 2017 12:13:25 UTC+2 u??ytkownik Alic napisa??:


The nixies with horizontal mesh are quite popular. I like them a lot!
First I thought that there was only the CD66, but then I discovered the
ZM1210, ZM1177 and CD64.
But there must be more. Which nixies am I missing?


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[neonixie-l] Re: Well I tried, big tubes on ebay this am

[Robert L]

>
> Will check into the heater/giver idea... Need to better understand this! 
>

Have also thought about a glass crack sealer, but the crack is less a crack 
and more a flaked off piece of glass. Probably happened decades ago with a 
glancing blow. I think better to leave the tubes in as-found condition! 

Suspect a cap meter will be an easy first check for connection to the 
element wire... will try this simpler test before wandering down the TDR 
path!


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Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

['Terry S' via neonixie-l]

Cracked a fruity?

I had to google that. 

A friends little kids used to say that when they passed gas!



On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 9:50:12 AM UTC-5, johnk wrote:
>
> Well you said/he said  "My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the 
> price!'. 
> " 
> BUT I suspect that you mean he might have said Cheap at Twice the Price 
> when 
> he meant a bargain. Dear at Half the Price is said too for when it ISN'T a 
> bargain.. 
> I can remember when I was doing tech work at a radio station and the 
> Blurb-writer and Production team made an advert for a client where they 
> did 
> say "Cheap at half the price" and were trying to be making the point how 
> cheap the product/service was. They actually needed to say the other 
> version 
> to make their point. I got sworn at and told to stick to my own job. It 
> went 
> to air. The sponsor cracked a fruity! 
> There is a similar pair of sayings on another topic but it escapes my 
> memory 
> right now. 
>
> Maybe I should be selling my Systron Donner clock. 
>
> John K 
> Australia. 
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paul Andrews"  
> To:  
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:41 PM 
> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay 
>
>
> > Heh. I swear the 'Make an offer' button wasn't there when I first saw 
> > this. But then there were only four up for sale then too. 
> > 
> > Even at half price, these are too rich for my blood - bearing in mind 
> > this is the price for a single tube! 
> > 
> > My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'. Well, not in this 
> > case (for me, if you have the disposable income for these, or can see 
> > an investment opportunity, go for it). 
> > 
> >> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Alic  wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Don't hesitate to make an offer, since the option is available ;-) 
> >> I think the price is meant to be "up to". 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

[Paul Andrews]

No. He was being sarcastic.  He used it to point out just how expensive 
something was.

I'll look up that systron dinner clock. Following these threads can get 
challenging on my phone!

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:50 AM, JohnK  wrote:
> 
> Well you said/he said  "My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'. "
> BUT I suspect that you mean he might have said Cheap at Twice the Price when 
> he meant a bargain. Dear at Half the Price is said too for when it ISN'T a 
> bargain..
> I can remember when I was doing tech work at a radio station and the 
> Blurb-writer and Production team made an advert for a client where they did 
> say "Cheap at half the price" and were trying to be making the point how 
> cheap the product/service was. They actually needed to say the other version 
> to make their point. I got sworn at and told to stick to my own job. It went 
> to air. The sponsor cracked a fruity!
> There is a similar pair of sayings on another topic but it escapes my memory 
> right now.
> 
> Maybe I should be selling my Systron Donner clock.
> 
> John K
> Australia.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Paul Andrews" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay
> 
> 
>> Heh. I swear the 'Make an offer' button wasn't there when I first saw
>> this. But then there were only four up for sale then too.
>> 
>> Even at half price, these are too rich for my blood - bearing in mind
>> this is the price for a single tube!
>> 
>> My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'. Well, not in this
>> case (for me, if you have the disposable income for these, or can see
>> an investment opportunity, go for it).
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Alic  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Don't hesitate to make an offer, since the option is available ;-)
>>> I think the price is meant to be "up to".
>>> 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

[JohnK]

Well you said/he said  "My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'. 
"
BUT I suspect that you mean he might have said Cheap at Twice the Price when 
he meant a bargain. Dear at Half the Price is said too for when it ISN'T a 
bargain..
I can remember when I was doing tech work at a radio station and the 
Blurb-writer and Production team made an advert for a client where they did 
say "Cheap at half the price" and were trying to be making the point how 
cheap the product/service was. They actually needed to say the other version 
to make their point. I got sworn at and told to stick to my own job. It went 
to air. The sponsor cracked a fruity!
There is a similar pair of sayings on another topic but it escapes my memory 
right now.


Maybe I should be selling my Systron Donner clock.

John K
Australia.


- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Andrews" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay



Heh. I swear the 'Make an offer' button wasn't there when I first saw
this. But then there were only four up for sale then too.

Even at half price, these are too rich for my blood - bearing in mind
this is the price for a single tube!

My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'. Well, not in this
case (for me, if you have the disposable income for these, or can see
an investment opportunity, go for it).


On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Alic  wrote:

Don't hesitate to make an offer, since the option is available ;-)
I think the price is meant to be "up to".

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Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

[JohnK]

I have a clock using NL 8091.
It is a Systron Donner master display that could also drive a slave [or more?].

I posted details in th eold Yahoo group. 
Googling this "  not-small nixies in Systron Donner model 8181 clock display   
" will get some of it.
I looked at the old group photos and can't see mine.

However, a Google also finds this picture of one in not-so-good condition   
  
https://www.tubeclockdb.com/component/kunena/11-ebay-finds/2218-systron-donner-model-8181-big-nixie-clock-w-nl-809.html

It is too hard to photograph mine right now. 
I suppose that I should have bought the slave display too  -  it was only $15 
iirc.

John K
Australia.





  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Andrews 
  To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 7:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay


  I would love to see a clock made of these. Anyone with deep pockets?


  Here is one over at bad Nixie: 
http://www.badnixie.com/The_%22RackMountable%22_Nixie.html. As my wife would 
say 'Le sigh'.

  On Jun 7, 2017, at 5:05 PM, David Forbes  wrote:


He may have bought these tubes from Richardson in 2009 for $50 each, and 
held onto them until he thought that he could recoup his invenstment.


On 6/7/2017 2:01 PM, SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F. wrote:

  Now he has 9pcs! I have bought other tubes from that seller and don't 
think its scam, but i wonder where he gets all that stuff ... Like he sold 
around 100pc of 6091 tubes



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Well I tried, big tubes on ebay this am

[JohnK]

Glass cracks tend to travel. I wonder if the ' glue ' they use for car 
windscreen cracks might help?

John K
Australia
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert L 
  To: neonixie-l 
  Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:18 AM
  Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Well I tried, big tubes on ebay this am



  OK... Tubes just arrived in good condition from USPS, mixed results testing 
them... But both tubes have multiple working digits.


  Crack in the glass on tube 10 does not go all the way through... Not too 
surprising as the glass is about 3 mm thick! the better part of 2 mm glass 
intact.


  Tube 9: working digits: 1, 2, 7, 8, 9, 0
  Tube 10: working digits: 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 0


  Not bad! Would have loved one tube with a complete set of digits, but no 
complaint!


  Suggestions on applications with this limited set of digits? A clock 
displaying 12:37 all day long and right twice a day? A restricted output random 
number generator? Ideas???


  B

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[neonixie-l] Re: trading nixies?

[Alic]

I have these I want to trade :

6x NL-807 NOS
6x NL-821 NOS
3x National Union NUP 102 NIB
7x Rodan CD24 NIB
1x NL-8091 NOS
10x Nanchang (?) QS18-12 NIB (boxes of 5)
6x B5441 A (round top) NIB
+2x NOS
10x Philips ZM1080 NIB 
8x B6091 NOS
6x Richardson NL-8423 (black markings National) NIB
3x CSF F9057 NOS
4x Mullard ZM1230/ZM1232 (?) without markings or with red coating removed NOS
1x Rodan GR-211 used
4x NEC LD955 A NOS
2x B7032 used (with more or less silvering)
4x NL-5445 NIB
2x NL-902 no markings NOS
3x NL-1206 NIB
4x Thomson-CSF TAF1093A NOS
3x B5560 : 1x NIB, 1x slightly used in original box, 1x used without markings.
2x NL-820 NIB
2x NL-874 NIB
4x ZM1210 slightly used

I'm looking for nixies with digits taller than 20mm except IN-18, ZM1040/42, 
Z566(0)m and LC-631
Or that start with "GR" or "CD".

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Re: [neonixie-l] Four NL-8091 on ebay

[Paul Andrews]

Heh. I swear the 'Make an offer' button wasn't there when I first saw
this. But then there were only four up for sale then too.

Even at half price, these are too rich for my blood - bearing in mind
this is the price for a single tube!

My old man had a saying: 'Cheap at half the price!'. Well, not in this
case (for me, if you have the disposable income for these, or can see
an investment opportunity, go for it).

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:48 AM, Alic  wrote:
>
> Don't hesitate to make an offer, since the option is available ;-)
> I think the price is meant to be "up to".
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[neonixie-l] Re: arduino clock

[Tomas Begley]

sounds good ;)

tom

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[neonixie-l] arduino clock

[Paul Andrews]

Hi

I bought one for the exact same reasons. I am very happy with it - it gave me 
the chance to modify the code that I had been looking for. His hardware has 
evolved since I bought mine, he now offers a version with the WiFi adapter 
built in. I bought my WiFi adapter as an add on. I strongly recommend you use 
the WiFi option. On my version, that is also re-programmable, it is simply an 
ESP01. They are not as easy to program as a regular Arduino, but only because 
of the hardware interface, it uses the same Arduino IDE as regular Arduino 
hardware. BTW the chip on the main PCB can be reprogrammed either by 
de-socketing it or by using an ICSP programmer. I chose to use the latter - 
there are good tutorials on the internet about how to turn a regular UNO into 
an ICSP so that you don't have to buy an actual ICSP.

I learnt a lot from this kit!

Also Ian is very responsive to questions.

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[neonixie-l] Re: NIB LC-631 on sale in Poland

[Tomasz Kowalczyk]

Bad news - I've called him and he said, that he had about 30 tubes and they 
were sold in less than 6 hours... that's why he didn't answer to my 
message, which I sent to him about 8 hours after he posted his offer.
Also, he said that he has some more tubes* and will be posting them, but 
due to payment issues he doesn't like the idea of selling them abroad, even 
for higher price. He doesn't use paypal, too - it is very unpopular in 
Poland compared to other countries.
*both nixies and "other tube displays"

BTW. it is a good time on Polish auctions, on other site there is an 
auction for 5x unused, untested LC-7 - those are LC-531 prototypes and 
there is literally one place in the whole internet they were mentioned so 
far (http://www.trioda.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9=19611). Any 
suggestions how much they would be worth? Not sure how much shall I bid, as 
they are more a collectors item than actual clock material.

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Re: [neonixie-l] arduino clock

[Paolo Cravero]

Hello Tomas.
I bought one of Ian's PCB+uC bundle because I wanted to build a 6-digit
clock. I've built the circuit but not the whole clock yet  (because in my
case it's easier to sit the sockets in their final position and then do the
wiring).

Unless you get his full kit, be warned that the PCB is packed with
components and you have no tolerance on the shape/size of parts: I had to
sit a resistor under the uC because I had 1/4W vs the required 1/8W (or
something like that).

The code looks good and shows some advanced techniques in Arduino
programming to take advantage of low-level capabilities of ATmega uC. I
also reproduced the hardware and part of the software to generate HV out of
PWM in another clock. Documentation is well written too.

Now, if I could only find the woodden box I am looking for...
Paolo

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Tomas Begley wrote:

> https://www.nixieclock.biz/Store.html
>
> I found this kit online and I was wondering if anyone had any experience
> with it?
>
> it looks good though as it is fully open source so it's great for
> makers/hackers.
>

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