[neonixie-l] Re: Absolutely gorgeous Z568M Nixie clock on Ebay

[Robert L]

Hi Greg,

Failure analysis of open traces and wires... This from looking at a couple 
of large tubes earlier this year...

1) Measure capacitance anode to element and compare with a known good tube. 
I found significant reduction in capacitance on an element with a break in 
the lead near the tube base. 

2) I've also been able to resolve about 1 mm on a failed trace using a 
Keysight 53220A counter for crude TDR... Have done the same with a Stanford 
Research SR-620... many others models will work as well - especially if you 
don't need such fine resolution. I was looking for length differences in 
the mm range on the end of a 3' BNC cable. The relatively long cable gave 
me nice separation between outgoing edge and the reflection.

Launch a fast edge into the trace to encourage a pronounced reflection... I 
used a 2.5 V positive going pulse with about 1 nS rise and fall times fed 
with a very short connection to a "T" at the counter input. Input to 
counter DC coupled and 50 Ohm terminated. Fast edge then routed from the 
BNC "T" at the counter input into the trace being measured. I measured the 
time difference between the primary falling edge (triggering the interval 
counter at around 1.5V falling) and the rising edge of the reflected wave 
(triggering around -250 mV rising). I had the counter average a couple 
hundred samples allowing me to resolve down to ps differences and about a 
mm resolution... Compared interval from DUT and traces of known lengths on 
units with cuts at known points (exacto knife). 

It helped setup to first put the BNC "T" at a 50 Ohm terminated scope input 
to see the waveform with reflection and to get a good idea of trigger 
points... then move the BNC to the counter input.

Numbers above are approximate and from memory.

Best regards,
Bob

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[neonixie-l] Re: SP-151 Segmented display for nixie clock or watch

[Robert L]

Now 10 remaining...

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Re: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

[Paul Andrews]

She says she has more than one in the listing description.

On Oct 12, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Ulysses Balis  wrote:

Speaking of B-7971's, on a whim, I just did a search on eBay for the rarer
cousin of the B-7971, the B-8971.  Amazingly, I found one.

As I haven't bid on this type of tube in a while, I'm not sure what the
going rate is these days, but $200 seems reasonable, given how rare they
are.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BURROUGHS-B-8971-Nixie-Tube-Fine-Grid-Very-rare-/272879983792

It looks like a used tube and as such, cathode poisoning/degassing would be
a concern, especially since there are no photos depicting it in an
energized state.  To the seller's credit, he/she does have perfect feedback.


Ulysses B.




On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Jeff Walton  wrote:

> I am not sure of the seller that Michail is referring to on ebay, but I
> can add my experience that this listing contains known bad tubes and the
> seller knows that some of us are on to him…
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-HUGE-B-7971-B7971-NIXIE-TUBE-
> FOR-COOL-CLOCKS-/253196543763?hash=item3af3b0a713:g:otUAAOSwPGlZ3utx
>
>
>
> BEWARE.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeff W.
>
> *From:* 'Michail Wilson' via neonixie-l [mailto:neonixie-l@
> googlegroups.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:12 PM
> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have tubes; however, I don’t think I would be in a good price range.
>
>
>
> So, just to set a price….
>
> $130 each + shipping.  Will take a video of units working and mark them as
> you wish prior to shipping if you like.
>
>
>
> There are cheaper units on ebay, so no need to tell me you can get them
> cheaper.
>
> Also, I can with 100% guarantee that a specific seller on ebay is
> currently selling bad units.
>
> He screwed me for a bunch of bad units of which I am also willing to sell
> at less than his ebay price - heh.
>
>
>
> Michail Wilson
>
> 206-920-6312 <(206)%20920-6312>
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jack Buechler
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:51 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes
>
>
>
> Does anyone want to sell me 6 B7971 tubes at a reasonable rate? I would
> li9ke to build one of the new NIxie clocks from Michael B.
>
>
>
> You would be shipping to Washington DC not the UK. to make it easier for
> you - most collectors seem to be in the US.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This reminds me of a precious painting - better for the tubes to be on
> display than in a vault somewhere collecting dust...
>
>
>
> let me know.
>
>
>
> many thanks
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

[gregebert]

While on the subject of bad 7971's, has anyone done failure analysis on a 
bad tube ?

I have one that is completely dead because there is a crack in the base, 
therefore it leaked. No mystery there.
Another one has 1 bad segment that does not illuminate at all even above 
250V, with no obvious signs of why. All other segments are good.

There is some sort of internal substrate, perhaps mica, that appears to 
have traces on it to connect from pin-straps to the individual segment 
cathodes. Perhaps the internal connections get broken from temp-cycling, 
physical shock, etc. I'm not going to break mine open to find out.

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Re: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

[Nicholas Stock]

Those tubes have been on the bay for many many months and no-one has
purchased them, yet the seller keeps the price at 200 dollars.

Too expensive.

I have some of the little 5971's but alas no clock to put them in yet

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Ulysses Balis  wrote:

> Speaking of B-7971's, on a whim, I just did a search on eBay for the rarer
> cousin of the B-7971, the B-8971.  Amazingly, I found one.
>
> As I haven't bid on this type of tube in a while, I'm not sure what the
> going rate is these days, but $200 seems reasonable, given how rare they
> are.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/BURROUGHS-B-8971-Nixie-Tube-Fine-Grid-Very-rare-/
> 272879983792
>
> It looks like a used tube and as such, cathode poisoning/degassing would
> be a concern, especially since there are no photos depicting it in an
> energized state.  To the seller's credit, he/she does have perfect feedback.
>
>
> Ulysses B.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Jeff Walton  wrote:
>
>> I am not sure of the seller that Michail is referring to on ebay, but I
>> can add my experience that this listing contains known bad tubes and the
>> seller knows that some of us are on to him…
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-HUGE-B-7971-B7971-NIXIE-TUBE-FO
>> R-COOL-CLOCKS-/253196543763?hash=item3af3b0a713:g:otUAAOSwPGlZ3utx
>>
>>
>>
>> BEWARE.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff W.
>>
>> *From:* 'Michail Wilson' via neonixie-l [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroup
>> s.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:12 PM
>> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have tubes; however, I don’t think I would be in a good price range.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, just to set a price….
>>
>> $130 each + shipping.  Will take a video of units working and mark them
>> as you wish prior to shipping if you like.
>>
>>
>>
>> There are cheaper units on ebay, so no need to tell me you can get them
>> cheaper.
>>
>> Also, I can with 100% guarantee that a specific seller on ebay is
>> currently selling bad units.
>>
>> He screwed me for a bunch of bad units of which I am also willing to sell
>> at less than his ebay price - heh.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michail Wilson
>>
>> 206-920-6312 <(206)%20920-6312>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Jack Buechler
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:51 AM
>> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone want to sell me 6 B7971 tubes at a reasonable rate? I would
>> li9ke to build one of the new NIxie clocks from Michael B.
>>
>>
>>
>> You would be shipping to Washington DC not the UK. to make it easier for
>> you - most collectors seem to be in the US.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This reminds me of a precious painting - better for the tubes to be on
>> display than in a vault somewhere collecting dust...
>>
>>
>>
>> let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> many thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

[Ulysses Balis]

Speaking of B-7971's, on a whim, I just did a search on eBay for the rarer
cousin of the B-7971, the B-8971.  Amazingly, I found one.

As I haven't bid on this type of tube in a while, I'm not sure what the
going rate is these days, but $200 seems reasonable, given how rare they
are.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BURROUGHS-B-8971-Nixie-Tube-Fine-Grid-Very-rare-/272879983792

It looks like a used tube and as such, cathode poisoning/degassing would be
a concern, especially since there are no photos depicting it in an
energized state.  To the seller's credit, he/she does have perfect feedback.


Ulysses B.




On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Jeff Walton  wrote:

> I am not sure of the seller that Michail is referring to on ebay, but I
> can add my experience that this listing contains known bad tubes and the
> seller knows that some of us are on to him…
>
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-HUGE-B-7971-B7971-NIXIE-TUBE-
> FOR-COOL-CLOCKS-/253196543763?hash=item3af3b0a713:g:otUAAOSwPGlZ3utx
>
>
>
> BEWARE.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeff W.
>
> *From:* 'Michail Wilson' via neonixie-l [mailto:neonixie-l@
> googlegroups.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:12 PM
> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I have tubes; however, I don’t think I would be in a good price range.
>
>
>
> So, just to set a price….
>
> $130 each + shipping.  Will take a video of units working and mark them as
> you wish prior to shipping if you like.
>
>
>
> There are cheaper units on ebay, so no need to tell me you can get them
> cheaper.
>
> Also, I can with 100% guarantee that a specific seller on ebay is
> currently selling bad units.
>
> He screwed me for a bunch of bad units of which I am also willing to sell
> at less than his ebay price - heh.
>
>
>
> Michail Wilson
>
> 206-920-6312 <(206)%20920-6312>
>
>
>
> *From:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jack Buechler
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:51 AM
> *To:* neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes
>
>
>
> Does anyone want to sell me 6 B7971 tubes at a reasonable rate? I would
> li9ke to build one of the new NIxie clocks from Michael B.
>
>
>
> You would be shipping to Washington DC not the UK. to make it easier for
> you - most collectors seem to be in the US.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This reminds me of a precious painting - better for the tubes to be on
> display than in a vault somewhere collecting dust...
>
>
>
> let me know.
>
>
>
> many thanks
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
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RE: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

[Jeff Walton]

I am not sure of the seller that Michail is referring to on ebay, but I can add 
my experience that this listing contains known bad tubes and the seller knows 
that some of us are on to him…

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-HUGE-B-7971-B7971-NIXIE-TUBE-FOR-COOL-CLOCKS-/253196543763?hash=item3af3b0a713:g:otUAAOSwPGlZ3utx

 

BEWARE.

 

 

Jeff W.

From: 'Michail Wilson' via neonixie-l [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 3:12 PM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

 

Hello,

 

I have tubes; however, I don’t think I would be in a good price range.

 

So, just to set a price….

$130 each + shipping.  Will take a video of units working and mark them as you 
wish prior to shipping if you like.

 

There are cheaper units on ebay, so no need to tell me you can get them cheaper.

Also, I can with 100% guarantee that a specific seller on ebay is currently 
selling bad units.  

He screwed me for a bunch of bad units of which I am also willing to sell at 
less than his ebay price - heh.

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jack Buechler
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:51 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

 

Does anyone want to sell me 6 B7971 tubes at a reasonable rate? I would li9ke 
to build one of the new NIxie clocks from Michael B. 

 

You would be shipping to Washington DC not the UK. to make it easier for you - 
most collectors seem to be in the US.

 

 

 

 

This reminds me of a precious painting - better for the tubes to be on display 
than in a vault somewhere collecting dust...

 

let me know.

 

many thanks

 

Jack

 

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RE: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

['Michail Wilson' via neonixie-l]

Hello,

 

I have tubes; however, I don’t think I would be in a good price range.

 

So, just to set a price….

$130 each + shipping.  Will take a video of units working and mark them as you 
wish prior to shipping if you like.

 

There are cheaper units on ebay, so no need to tell me you can get them cheaper.

Also, I can with 100% guarantee that a specific seller on ebay is currently 
selling bad units.  

He screwed me for a bunch of bad units of which I am also willing to sell at 
less than his ebay price - heh.

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jack Buechler
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:51 AM
To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com
Subject: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

 

Does anyone want to sell me 6 B7971 tubes at a reasonable rate? I would li9ke 
to build one of the new NIxie clocks from Michael B. 

 

You would be shipping to Washington DC not the UK. to make it easier for you - 
most collectors seem to be in the US.

 

 

 

 

This reminds me of a precious painting - better for the tubes to be on display 
than in a vault somewhere collecting dust...

 

let me know.

 

many thanks

 

Jack

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

[Nicholas Stock]

Define reasonable Jack? ;-)

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:51 AM, Jack Buechler  wrote:

> Does anyone want to sell me 6 B7971 tubes at a reasonable rate? I would
> li9ke to build one of the new NIxie clocks from Michael B.
>
>
> You would be shipping to Washington DC not the UK. to make it easier for
> you - most collectors seem to be in the US.
>
>
>
>
>
> This reminds me of a precious painting - better for the tubes to be on
> display than in a vault somewhere collecting dust...
>
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> let me know.
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> many thanks
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> Jack
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[neonixie-l] Re: How many push-buttons for settings?

[Paul Andrews]

I prefer a web GUI that I can use from my phone - this is one reason I no 
longer buy off-the-shelf hardware (I've yet to actually build my own, but 
that is another story. I have retrofitted web GUIs to the more open 
hardware). With a web GUI you can expose as much as you like and make it 
simple to adjust without the user having to sit with a manual on their knee 
(or just never using any of the features of the clock).

Barring that, consider adding a small OLED panel that can indicate where 
you are in a menu hierarchy and where you can go next.

Finally, The best button-based menu hierarchy I have come across uses just 
three buttons - UX design is a serious business.

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 2:12:34 PM UTC-4, newxito wrote:
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> Thanks for the input! I will order some incremental rotary encoders (with 
> button) to make a knob based prototype as well. Just retired, I have time 
> :-) 
>
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[neonixie-l] Re: How many push-buttons for settings?

[newxito]

Thanks for the input! I will order some incremental rotary encoders (with 
button) to make a knob based prototype as well. Just retired, I have time 
:-) 

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Absolutely gorgeous Z568M Nixie clock on Ebay

[jb-electronics]

There is more pictures here: http://imgur.com/gallery/eFbR8

On 10/12/2017 7:55 AM, blkadder wrote:
Awesome looking clock.  All of mine are housed in big bulky housings.  
I would love to see how the kit was put together.  I would also love 
to get hold of one of Dalibors six tube mounts.  One of these would 
look great on it's own, or even attached to one of my cases (lol).


Thanks to OP and Dalibor for posting pics.

Ron

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 4:56:31 AM UTC-4, Dalibor wrote:

Wonderful clock! I love the combination of wood and red filters -
thats something totally different to what we do.

- We have few projects/studies in development and absolutely
simplistic clock is one of them - just stand and tubes, no LEDs,
nothing - full attention on tubes. 15mm tall stand with all
electronics inside ;-)
By the way, 4 tube clock has great proportions, I like it really
much - also the price would be nicer.

- Red filters - this is also under development, we have nice red
lacquer, but it needs to be made slightly more orange - right now
it filters also some part of orange light making it less bright
(Thanks Michael Barile for this hint!)

Cheers, Dalibor




On Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:05:01 UTC+2, Jens Boos wrote:

Look at this wonderful tube clock (not mine):
http://www.ebay.de/itm/272881750088


I know we're all in love with Dalibor's tubes here, but these
Z568M look
nice.

Cheers
Jens

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[neonixie-l] Re: SP-151 Segmented display for nixie clock or watch

[Robert L]

This will also be useful!

http://www.waynekirkwood.com/images/pdf/Sperry_Gas_Discharge_Clock_Display_Catalog_1973.pdf

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RE: [neonixie-l] Pics of the new release MOD-SIX_7971

['Michail Wilson' via neonixie-l]

I’ll probably pick up a couple of more.  Still have too many bulbs needing 
something to be put into.

 

Michail Wilson

206-920-6312

 

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Behalf Of MichaelB
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 6:06 PM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: [neonixie-l] Pics of the new release MOD-SIX_7971

 


Sorry for the really long delay on this, but we think it will be worth it! 
Particulars at the end of the week. Thanks for your patience!!

http://badnixie.com/BadNixie.com_Welcome.html

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[neonixie-l] Re: SP-151 Segmented display for nixie clock or watch

[Robert L]

Hi folks,

These look like an interesting display to play with and so I just bought 25 
on ebay. My intent is to keep 5 for myself and 5 are spoken for by a 
friend... 15 left...

I'll pass the remaining SP-151 displays along to folks here at neonixie at 
just barely over my cost... $6.75/ea plus $7.50 for a USPS Priority Mail 
Flat Rate box... I've bumped the numbers by a few percent to allow PayPal 
their share.

Let's make it lots of 3 or more displays to cut down on my overhead time. 
Send me a private reply to let me know how many you would like!

total by PayPal = (numDisplays * $6.75) + $7.50

Many thanks,
Bob

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[neonixie-l] Re: Pics of the new release MOD-SIX_7971

[dixter]

very very nice  :-)

Later
DB

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>
> Sorry for the really long delay on this, but we think it will be worth it! 
> Particulars at the end of the week. Thanks for your patience!!
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> http://badnixie.com/BadNixie.com_Welcome.html
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Re: [neonixie-l] How many push-buttons for settings?

[Nicholas Stock]

The more twiddly bits the better in my opinion..but it's just that, an
opinion!

Looks good to me.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:40 AM, Andy Tefft  wrote:

> For increasing or decreasing a value, as a user I prefer a knob over
> buttons - it's generally quicker and you don't have to think about schemes
> such as speeding up the increment of change as you hold down the button.
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:11 AM, JohnK  wrote:
>
>> An aside:  If that board gets buried in a hard to open box, consider
>> "gluing" the clear plastic sides on those 3mm sockets. It sometimes doesn't
>> take very much angled force on the plug [like a cable pull] to pop the side
>> off.
>>
>> John K
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* newxito 
>> *To:* neonixie-l 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:26 PM
>> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] How many push-buttons for settings?
>>
>> My first clock did not have any buttons because there was nothing to
>> adjust. For my next clock I plan to use 6 buttons. I already made a
>> prototype of the connector PCB.
>>
>> button Menu: navigates through menus, menu numbers are shown on the left
>> nixies
>>
>> button Set: navigates through possible values for a menu, value numbers
>> are shown on the center nixies
>>
>> button Esc: always returns to clock mode
>>
>> button Red, Green and Blue: directly set brightness level if in rgb
>> colors menu. The current level (0-16) is shown on the right nixies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> Menu 8 = led mode:
>>
>> Value 1 = off, 2 = constant, 3 = hour, 4 = transition
>>
>> Menu 9 = led colors:
>>
>> Value 0 – 23 = hours, 24 = constant color
>>
>> Level Red 0-16 (shown on right nixies if button
>> Red pressed, press button Red again to adjust to next level)
>>
>> Same for button Blue and Green.
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you think about this? Too many buttons?
>>
>> It’s just a hobby, I don’t sell the clocks but maybe I will give some
>> away to friends and relatives. My experience is that older people (like me)
>> have problems with multi-functional or timed buttons. I think that the Esc
>> button is important if I must give “remote support”.
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[neonixie-l] Re: How many push-buttons for settings?

[blkadder]

That is a pretty amazing looking board.  I am a fan of both buttons and 
knobs.  I wish I had the talent or skill that all of you guys have.  I 
would love to see how this is integrated into the clock.

Ron

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 7:56:52 AM UTC-4, newxito wrote:
>
> My first clock did not have any buttons because there was nothing to 
> adjust. For my next clock I plan to use 6 buttons. I already made a 
> prototype of the connector PCB.
>
> button Menu: navigates through menus, menu numbers are shown on the left 
> nixies
>
> button Set: navigates through possible values for a menu, value numbers 
> are shown on the center nixies
>
> button Esc: always returns to clock mode
>
> button Red, Green and Blue: directly set brightness level if in rgb colors 
> menu. The current level (0-16) is shown on the right nixies. 
>
>  
>
> Example: 
>
> Menu 8 = led mode: 
>
> Value 1 = off, 2 = constant, 3 = hour, 4 = transition
>
> Menu 9 = led colors:
>
> Value 0 – 23 = hours, 24 = constant color
>
> Level Red 0-16 (shown on right nixies if button 
> Red pressed, press button Red again to adjust to next level)
>
> Same for button Blue and Green.
>
>  
>
> What do you think about this? Too many buttons?
>
> It’s just a hobby, I don’t sell the clocks but maybe I will give some away 
> to friends and relatives. My experience is that older people (like me) have 
> problems with multi-functional or timed buttons. I think that the Esc 
> button is important if I must give “remote support”.
>

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[neonixie-l] Re: Absolutely gorgeous Z568M Nixie clock on Ebay

[blkadder]

Awesome looking clock.  All of mine are housed in big bulky housings.  I 
would love to see how the kit was put together.  I would also love to get 
hold of one of Dalibors six tube mounts.  One of these would look great on 
it's own, or even attached to one of my cases (lol).

Thanks to OP and Dalibor for posting pics.

Ron

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 4:56:31 AM UTC-4, Dalibor wrote:
>
> Wonderful clock! I love the combination of wood and red filters - thats 
> something totally different to what we do.
>
> - We have few projects/studies in development and absolutely simplistic 
> clock is one of them - just stand and tubes, no LEDs, nothing - full 
> attention on tubes. 15mm tall stand with all electronics inside ;-)
> By the way, 4 tube clock has great proportions, I like it really much - 
> also the price would be nicer.
>
> - Red filters - this is also under development, we have nice red lacquer, 
> but it needs to be made slightly more orange - right now it filters also 
> some part of orange light making it less bright (Thanks Michael Barile for 
> this hint!)
>
> Cheers, Dalibor
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:05:01 UTC+2, Jens Boos wrote:
>>
>> Look at this wonderful tube clock (not mine): 
>> http://www.ebay.de/itm/272881750088 
>>
>> I know we're all in love with Dalibor's tubes here, but these Z568M look 
>> nice. 
>>
>> Cheers 
>> Jens 
>>
>>

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Re: [neonixie-l] How many push-buttons for settings?

[Andy Tefft]

For increasing or decreasing a value, as a user I prefer a knob over
buttons - it's generally quicker and you don't have to think about schemes
such as speeding up the increment of change as you hold down the button.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:11 AM, JohnK  wrote:

> An aside:  If that board gets buried in a hard to open box, consider
> "gluing" the clear plastic sides on those 3mm sockets. It sometimes doesn't
> take very much angled force on the plug [like a cable pull] to pop the side
> off.
>
> John K
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* newxito 
> *To:* neonixie-l 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:26 PM
> *Subject:* [neonixie-l] How many push-buttons for settings?
>
> My first clock did not have any buttons because there was nothing to
> adjust. For my next clock I plan to use 6 buttons. I already made a
> prototype of the connector PCB.
>
> button Menu: navigates through menus, menu numbers are shown on the left
> nixies
>
> button Set: navigates through possible values for a menu, value numbers
> are shown on the center nixies
>
> button Esc: always returns to clock mode
>
> button Red, Green and Blue: directly set brightness level if in rgb colors
> menu. The current level (0-16) is shown on the right nixies.
>
>
>
> Example:
>
> Menu 8 = led mode:
>
> Value 1 = off, 2 = constant, 3 = hour, 4 = transition
>
> Menu 9 = led colors:
>
> Value 0 – 23 = hours, 24 = constant color
>
> Level Red 0-16 (shown on right nixies if button
> Red pressed, press button Red again to adjust to next level)
>
> Same for button Blue and Green.
>
>
>
> What do you think about this? Too many buttons?
>
> It’s just a hobby, I don’t sell the clocks but maybe I will give some away
> to friends and relatives. My experience is that older people (like me) have
> problems with multi-functional or timed buttons. I think that the Esc
> button is important if I must give “remote support”.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: 4x CD47 / GR-414 - Ultra Rare Nixie Tubes

[Greg P]

Does anyone know if they're long life (mercury) type tubes?  I'd hate to 
spend that kind of $$$ on them and have them sputter out when being used.  



On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 4:29:37 AM UTC-4, Nick wrote:
>
> On Thursday, 12 October 2017 09:14:30 UTC+4, SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F. 
> wrote:
>>
>> I heard a story that they were used in weight stations for trucks. There 
>> is symbol tube in the same size made by rodan that can display "kg" and "t" 
>> which would make the story plausible.
>
>
> True - the systems are called "weighbridges" - the digits were big so that 
> they could be read from the trucks.
>
> I also heard that they were in East Germany,,,
>
> Whatever anyone else thinks, I like them. Used to have quite a few, sold 
> most, now just one set of 6 left (not in a clock at the moment)
>
> Nick 
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] How many push-buttons for settings?

[JohnK]

An aside:  If that board gets buried in a hard to open box, consider "gluing" 
the clear plastic sides on those 3mm sockets. It sometimes doesn't take very 
much angled force on the plug [like a cable pull] to pop the side off.

John K
  - Original Message - 
  From: newxito 
  To: neonixie-l 
  Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 10:26 PM
  Subject: [neonixie-l] How many push-buttons for settings?


  My first clock did not have any buttons because there was nothing to adjust. 
For my next clock I plan to use 6 buttons. I already made a prototype of the 
connector PCB.

  button Menu: navigates through menus, menu numbers are shown on the left 
nixies

  button Set: navigates through possible values for a menu, value numbers are 
shown on the center nixies

  button Esc: always returns to clock mode

  button Red, Green and Blue: directly set brightness level if in rgb colors 
menu. The current level (0-16) is shown on the right nixies. 



  Example: 

  Menu 8 = led mode: 

  Value 1 = off, 2 = constant, 3 = hour, 4 = transition

  Menu 9 = led colors:

  Value 0 – 23 = hours, 24 = constant color

  Level Red 0-16 (shown on right nixies if button Red 
pressed, press button Red again to adjust to next level)

  Same for button Blue and Green.



  What do you think about this? Too many buttons?

  It’s just a hobby, I don’t sell the clocks but maybe I will give some away to 
friends and relatives. My experience is that older people (like me) have 
problems with multi-functional or timed buttons. I think that the Esc button is 
important if I must give “remote support”.


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[neonixie-l] How many push-buttons for settings?

[newxito]

 

My first clock did not have any buttons because there was nothing to 
adjust. For my next clock I plan to use 6 buttons. I already made a 
prototype of the connector PCB.

button Menu: navigates through menus, menu numbers are shown on the left 
nixies

button Set: navigates through possible values for a menu, value numbers are 
shown on the center nixies

button Esc: always returns to clock mode

button Red, Green and Blue: directly set brightness level if in rgb colors 
menu. The current level (0-16) is shown on the right nixies. 

 

Example: 

Menu 8 = led mode: 

Value 1 = off, 2 = constant, 3 = hour, 4 = transition

Menu 9 = led colors:

Value 0 – 23 = hours, 24 = constant color

Level Red 0-16 (shown on right nixies if button Red 
pressed, press button Red again to adjust to next level)

Same for button Blue and Green.

 

What do you think about this? Too many buttons?

It’s just a hobby, I don’t sell the clocks but maybe I will give some away 
to friends and relatives. My experience is that older people (like me) have 
problems with multi-functional or timed buttons. I think that the Esc 
button is important if I must give “remote support”.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: 4x CD47 / GR-414 - Ultra Rare Nixie Tubes

[Paul Andrews]

Yes. The price is what it is. I'm a big fan of Rodan tubes in general. I think 
they stand alone as a work of art. The extra little touches such as chrome 
bases and chromed labels are what make them stand out for me. Plus they 
function well and were made in a huge range of sizes and styles. The CD47 is 
not just a unique member of their product set, there is simply nothing else 
like it in the world of Nixie tubes period.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Absolutely gorgeous Z568M Nixie clock on Ebay

[Paul Andrews]

I am seriously considering getting some white gloves to handle my tubes anyway. 
Does that make me obsessive?

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Absolutely gorgeous Z568M Nixie clock on Ebay

[Scott McInness]

I like the look of that six-tube version – my preference is for hidden 
electronics and exposed tubes, so I would definitely put my name down for one 
of those... Dammit, I like the look of the four-tube version as well! This 
could get expensive.

 

Cheers,

Scott.

 

From: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com [mailto:neonixie-l@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Dalibor
Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2017 7:27 PM
To: neonixie-l
Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Absolutely gorgeous Z568M Nixie clock on Ebay

 

Wonderful clock! I love the combination of wood and red filters - thats 
something totally different to what we do.

 

- We have few projects/studies in development and absolutely simplistic clock 
is one of them - just stand and tubes, no LEDs, nothing - full attention on 
tubes. 15mm tall stand with all electronics inside ;-)

By the way, 4 tube clock has great proportions, I like it really much - also 
the price would be nicer.

 

- Red filters - this is also under development, we have nice red lacquer, but 
it needs to be made slightly more orange - right now it filters also some part 
of orange light making it less bright (Thanks Michael Barile for this hint!)

 

Cheers, Dalibor

 

 



On Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:05:01 UTC+2, Jens Boos wrote:

Look at this wonderful tube clock (not mine): 
http://www.ebay.de/itm/272881750088 

I know we're all in love with Dalibor's tubes here, but these Z568M look 
nice. 

Cheers 
Jens 

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[neonixie-l] re: 6 - B7971 tubes

[Jack Buechler]

Does anyone want to sell me 6 B7971 tubes at a reasonable rate? I would li9ke 
to build one of the new NIxie clocks from Michael B.


You would be shipping to Washington DC not the UK. to make it easier for you - 
most collectors seem to be in the US.





This reminds me of a precious painting - better for the tubes to be on display 
than in a vault somewhere collecting dust...


let me know.


many thanks


Jack

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: 4x CD47 / GR-414 - Ultra Rare Nixie Tubes

[Nick]

On Thursday, 12 October 2017 09:14:30 UTC+4, SWISSNIXIE - Jonathan F. wrote:
>
> I heard a story that they were used in weight stations for trucks. There 
> is symbol tube in the same size made by rodan that can display "kg" and "t" 
> which would make the story plausible.


True - the systems are called "weighbridges" - the digits were big so that 
they could be read from the trucks.

I also heard that they were in East Germany,,,

Whatever anyone else thinks, I like them. Used to have quite a few, sold 
most, now just one set of 6 left (not in a clock at the moment)

Nick 

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