[neonixie-l] Re: Favorite component suppliers....

[Richard Scales]

Gregbert - I have made about 30 Aliexpress purchases and have yet to have a 
problem, it's just that you need to know what you want 40 days in advance 
due to the delivery times.

Richard


On Friday, 24 April 2020 18:54:55 UTC+1, Pramanicin wrote:
>
> Hey folks, hope you're all staying safe and healthy in these crazy times...
>
> After a couple of conversations with a few members here, I thought it may 
> be useful for others to ask what everyone's favorite (and maybe cheapest!) 
> component suppliers are...
>
> To get the ball rolling, here are a few I regularly use (apart from the 
> obvious Mouser/Digikey's of the world).
>
> eBay (obvious again)
> www.taydaelectronics.com
> www.goldmine-elec-products.com (great for cheap EoL stuff)
> www.jameco.com
> www.mpja.com (great for cheap power supplies)
> www.antekinc.com (good for toroids)
> www.alliedelectronics.com
>
> Cheers,
>
> (Pharma) Nick
>

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[neonixie-l] Re: Elektronika-7 Clock... What kind of IV-26 tubes? Just found out there's Type 1, Type 2, and Type 3 IV-26's.

[celzey11]

Hi, the beast finally showed up...and the front glass was smashed. So again, 
thanks Terry for not only the excellent write up on electrically restoring 
these clocks, but also on recreating the glass front. Sidenote, have you looked 
into using real glass to make the replacement or do you think plexiglass as 
described in your guide is the way to go? 

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[neonixie-l] ILC1-1/7's for trade

[Adam Munich]

Curious, is anyone interested in trading their 7971 tubes, for ILC1-1/7
tubes?

I'd like to add seconds (and maybe milliseconds) to my clock.

- - - -
Weblog: http://adammunich.com
With great power comes great responsibility.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: clock with Sperry SP-151

[Nicholas Stock]

Is your SP332 dead? I have one in the man cave that appears to be NOS and
still has gas. It's yours for the price of postage..

Cheers,

Nick

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 5:17 PM N9KTW  wrote:

>
>> Well I have good news!
>>
>
> I got it going (aside from the non working seconds display) 
>
> the final solutions were as follows:
>   1) replaced 2 bad driver transistors for the display (I had bought a
> bunch when I first started restoring this)
>   2) replaced the MM5314 chip this was the problem with not being able
> to get the clock to keep time (found a spare in another pile of clock
> parts
>
> Thank you to everyone for the help and pointers of where to look.
>
> I am posting pictures of the clock in operation , eventually I want to
> male a clear acrylic box to house it .
>
>
> de Howard, N9KTW
>
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[neonixie-l] Re: Heathkit GC-1195...

[N9KTW]

>
> Kerry:
>

I have the manual for the clock (I own one chimes and all) . The 443-848 is 
an MM5316.. It will work in the clock (I once tested that).   Mine was a 
curbside find.. as I remember it was the curio cabinet version. But 
electronic scrapper that I am , I didnt grab that, nor did I know that the 
white things were essential.  Long story short, I found a gent that let me 
copy his manual, and figured out what I had.  I fabricated a new 
display using RED LED's they are KINGBRIGHT sa23-12srwa.since I didnt 
have the origianl cabinet, I fabricated one, and made a front panel

I can send pics if you want to see the exterior. 

Also have a bunch oh of #56 lamps Feel free to PM me if you can use 
them 



de Howard, N9KTW

 

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Re: [neonixie-l] clock with Sperry SP-151

[N9KTW]

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 3:03:04 PM UTC-5, N9KTW wrote:
>
> Here is the latest:
>>
>
> The suggestion of a high frequency source was super...I got out my 
> "semi-obsolete" gas lamp tester, and established that the display is no 
> good. found a second complete display board in the box of parts, and tested 
> it , it isnt completely good either, but good enough for testing. some 
> segments arent any good . , and the seconds portion is totally out. 
>
> I guess unless I can find another display this isnt happening as 
> originally designed :( . Also the minute display seems to be running like a 
> seconds display (problem for another day)
>
> Really dumb question.. anyone have or know of a source for a new 
> display
>
> Thank you guys for the help thus far I am sort of making progress
>
>
> de Howard, N9KTW
>
>
>

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[neonixie-l] Heathkit GC-1195...

['orange_glow_fan' via neonixie-l]

I have the above clock. (it lights up more or less orange (Struggling to 
stay on topic..))

It's the grandfathers clock version, that uses filament bulbs for the digit 
segments.

After all these years, it has finally failed. It sits, displaying 12:00, 
and refuses to do anything else. Normally, if there had been a power 
failure, it would display a blinking 12:00. There is no blink.

I can not identify the 40 pin IC. No markings. If I look up the schematic, 
it shows they used one of two ICs, depending on which manual I use. The 
Heathkit part numbers are 443-702 or 443-848. The 443-848 seems to cross to 
a MM5316, the other, 443-702, MAY cross over to a F3817PC. I can find a 
datasheet for the MM5316, but not the F3817PC. 



I guess what I need to know is if they are interchangeableI can locate 
the MM5316, but the F3817PC seems to be made of unobtainium... The MM5316 
actually crosses to an NTE number.

Any thoughts or inspirational advice appreciated...

Kerry

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Re: [neonixie-l] clock with Sperry SP-151

[N9KTW]

>
> Here is the latest:
>

The suggestion of a high frequency source was super...I got out my 
"semi-obsolete" gas lamp tester, and established that the display is no 
good. found a second complete display board in the box of parts, and tested 
it , it isnt completely good either, but good enough for testing. some 
segments arent any good . , and the seconds portion is totally out. 

I guess unless I can find another display this isnt happening as originally 
designed :( . Also the minute display seems to be running like a seconds 
display (problem for another day)

Really dumb question.. anyone have or know of a source for a new 
display

Thank you guys for the help thus far I am sort of making progress


de Howard, N9KTW


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Re: [neonixie-l] clock with Sperry SP-151

['jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l]

I agree.  I forgot that one of the first things you should do is apply HV 
(like 150-200V) directly to the tubes,with a series dropping resistor of 
47K-220K, and make sure it glows under these conditions.  I realize that 
this assumes you have access to an electronics lab...

On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 10:48:28 AM UTC-7, gregebert wrote:
>
> The SP-151 is durable;
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Favorite component suppliers....

[HuggerMugger]

For odd ICs and other semiconductors, unicorn-electronics is GREAT!

/M

From: Nicholas Stock 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 7:54 PM
To: 'Greg P' via neonixie-l 
Subject: [neonixie-l] Favorite component suppliers

Hey folks, hope you're all staying safe and healthy in these crazy times... 

After a couple of conversations with a few members here, I thought it may be 
useful for others to ask what everyone's favorite (and maybe cheapest!) 
component suppliers are...

To get the ball rolling, here are a few I regularly use (apart from the obvious 
Mouser/Digikey's of the world).

eBay (obvious again)
www.taydaelectronics.com
www.goldmine-elec-products.com (great for cheap EoL stuff)
www.jameco.com
www.mpja.com (great for cheap power supplies)
www.antekinc.com (good for toroids)
www.alliedelectronics.com

Cheers,

(Pharma) Nick
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Re: [neonixie-l] clock with Sperry SP-151

['jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l]

Also, as I think about it, there is a "keep alive" element, and you should 
make sure it is energized at all times. 


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Re: [neonixie-l] clock with Sperry SP-151

[gregebert]

The SP-151 is durable; I built a wristwatch a few years ago with the same 
unit my father got as a sample back in 1974. In fact, the prototype on my 
workbench is still running after 5 years on the *same* charge I put on the 
Li-ion battery (yeah, the battery drives the display and the RTC).

Somewhere in my archives is a set of schematics for using Sperry displays 
as clocks; let me know if you need them. I recall the circuit requires some 
switching to get the segments to light, so a scope will be necessary for 
debugging.

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[neonixie-l] Re: Favorite component suppliers....

[gregebert]

Nick - How much business have you done on AliExpress ? I've only bought 1 
item (box of 1000 green NE-2 bulbs), and the sale was fine, but I've heard 
concerns some sellers aren't vetted like they are on Ebay.

There is a lot of really neat industrial product available, and I'd like to 
purchase more, but I'm a bit too cautious to jump-in.

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Re: [neonixie-l] clock with Sperry SP-151

['jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l]

I had one of these evaluation kits, and I recall that the displays were 
socketed.  If you have an oscilloscope, you should do some basic 
debugging.  I would start at the power supply (one of my nixie clocks used 
a Signal Transformer of the same vintage that died due to an open 
primary).  If you have all the proper dc voltages, I would next check the 
logic level signals: the 60 Hz reference and the MUXed segment and digit 
drives.  Finally, check for proper waveforms at the anodes and cathodes.  
Since nothing lights, I would suspect a bad power supply or a construction 
error like swapping the pnp and npn transistors or backwards diodes.

I have mentioned this before, but the MM5314 does not have very good noise 
rejection on the clock reference input, so power line spikes tend to make 
it run fast.

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Re: [neonixie-l] clock with Sperry SP-151

[alb.001 alb.001]

 
  if you can remove the displays from the board, I would try holding a small high voltage high frequency AC source near them and see if the neon turns on  - you do not need to touch the pins to this high voltage  ( I use my trusty  DermaWand  )
  hope this help
  Phrama Phil
  
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   From: N9KTW 
   Date: April 25, 2020 at 12:19 PM
   
   
   
Hi All:

 


 With the "shelter in place" going on I have a lot of time to work on the projects that have been "staring at me"


 
 
  
 
 
  I have a Sperry "evaluation" clock which uses the sp-151 + sp-232 displays. I acquired it in 2015, and it has never lit up as long as I have had it. I went and replaced capacitors, transistors, and resistors (I think on the resistors), with no luck. I have also tried swapping the MM5314 chip with a working pull. Still nothing.
 
 
  
 
 
  Is it possible that the displays have merely reached the end of their useful life and are just no good? I have the manuals for the clock and am at a loss as to where to go from here. Can anyone help me ? I would love to get it working, as there is a special place in my heart for old electronics (my XYL, and Accountant both HATE my Heathkit GC-1195 With the chime kit that I restored the case and converted the display to LED's)
 
 
  
 
 
  Anyone have any ideas where I should start looking for problems?
 
 
  
 
 
  
 
 
  de Howard, N9KTW
 
 
  
 
 
  
 

   
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[neonixie-l] Re: clock with Sperry SP-151

[Dekatron42]

Have you checked the voltages from the power supply?

Have you checked that the voltages reach the IC, transistors and displays?

Do you have a plasma ball that you can hold close to the displays to see if 
they glow orange?

/Martin

On Saturday, 25 April 2020 18:19:07 UTC+2, N9KTW wrote:
>
> Hi All:
>
> With the "shelter in place" going on I have a lot of time to work on the 
> projects that have been "staring at me"
>
>
> I have a Sperry  "evaluation" clock which uses the sp-151 + sp-232 
> displays.  I acquired it in 2015, and it has never lit up as long as I have 
> had it. I went and replaced capacitors, transistors, and resistors (I think 
> on the resistors), with no luck. I have also tried swapping the MM5314 chip 
> with a working pull.  Still nothing. 
>
> Is it possible that the displays have merely reached the end of their 
> useful life and are just no good?  I have the manuals for the clock and am 
> at a loss as to where to go from here. Can anyone help me ? I would love to 
> get it working, as there is a special place in my heart for old electronics 
> (my XYL, and Accountant both HATE my Heathkit GC-1195 With the chime kit 
> that I restored the case and converted the display to LED's) 
>
> Anyone have any ideas where I should start looking for problems?
>
>
> de Howard, N9KTW
>
>
>

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[neonixie-l] Re: Welcome & please introduce yourself!

[N9KTW]

>
> Hi all:
>

Howard here. I have a special place in my heart for old electronics 
(learned a lot of it in the 1970's)  The stuff that we can actually see 
the components and determine what they are Love to tinker and restore 
(at least electronically this stuff

That all being said thank you for allowing me to join the group.

 

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[neonixie-l] clock with Sperry SP-151

[N9KTW]

Hi All:

With the "shelter in place" going on I have a lot of time to work on the 
projects that have been "staring at me"


I have a Sperry  "evaluation" clock which uses the sp-151 + sp-232 
displays.  I acquired it in 2015, and it has never lit up as long as I have 
had it. I went and replaced capacitors, transistors, and resistors (I think 
on the resistors), with no luck. I have also tried swapping the MM5314 chip 
with a working pull.  Still nothing. 

Is it possible that the displays have merely reached the end of their 
useful life and are just no good?  I have the manuals for the clock and am 
at a loss as to where to go from here. Can anyone help me ? I would love to 
get it working, as there is a special place in my heart for old electronics 
(my XYL, and Accountant both HATE my Heathkit GC-1195 With the chime kit 
that I restored the case and converted the display to LED's) 

Anyone have any ideas where I should start looking for problems?


de Howard, N9KTW


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Re: [neonixie-l] MPSA42 or MJE340?

['jf...@my-deja.com' via neonixie-l]

It should be easy to convert the 575 back into a tube curve tracer since it 
was a modified 570 with the filament transformer removed and the sockets 
changed.  If you can find a meterless Hickok tube tester, you have the 
sockets, switches and filament transformer you would need to convert it 
back for a single tube.  It can obviously be done by brute force, but I 
have not figured out a clever way to set it up to do A-B comparisons so you 
can find matched pairs.  Some other things you might have to add are power 
supplies for the screen and suppressor and the other elements you might 
find in a pentagrid converter (or you could derive these from the voltages 
applied to the other elements).

On Friday, April 24, 2020 at 10:00:29 PM UTC-7, Ira wrote:
>
> I have a couple of 575 that I might sell, either as is, or reconditioned 
> and calibrated (not inexpensive), with an operators manual. I also have the 
> 575 mod 122C which sports a 400V collector sweep power supply. The audio 
> people are crazy over them because they can be converted for TUBE curve 
> tracing. If interested contact me OFF of this page.   Ira. 
>
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[neonixie-l] Re: Favorite component suppliers....

[celzey11]

I buy from all the usual online places, but there's a local old brick and 
mortar independent family owned electronics store in Needham, MA called You Do 
It Electronics I like to support. That place is great, it's like stepping back 
in time to RadioShack in the 70s. They sell online too. 

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[neonixie-l] Re: Favorite component suppliers....

[newxito]

I'm based in Switzerland, in addition to mouser and digikey, the german 
companies conrad and reichelt also offer a "swiss package". You can pay in 
CHF with the correct taxes and no customs fees. 
Sometimes I also order components from LCSC, for example if I need 100 
DS3231MZ+ :-)  

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Re: [neonixie-l] MPSA42 or MJE340?

[gregebert]

As much as I would love to have my own curve-tracer, I have to be 
practical. The transistors I select have SPICE models, so I simulate 
everything in detail.

Nixie tubes, especially the rare or expensive ones like b7071 and R|Z568 , 
I generate I-V curves by hand for each segment/cathode. A curve-tracer 
would help if it could export data to Excel. If I see failure or 
degradation later on, I retake the I-V data and compare it to the original 
measurements.

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