Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread Curt Cloninger
criteria there would be no >furtherfield and all the other bits that go along with it, it's a >bit more complicated than that surely, which is why we are right now >discussing this stuff! > >Stuart > > > > >>--- Original Message Follows --- >>From: &q

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread martin mitchell
Tony, Find all this interestingly humorous Karens remark was a quote by Kathy Acker. Initially wondered tongue in cheek which country was Kathy Acker referring to...! >> "One of the reasons I think the ultra right-wing has such power in this >> country is that no on

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread martin mitchell
Hello Karen. And which country is Kathy Acker referring to? Martin. On 11 Feb 2010, at 22:12, karen blissett wrote: > Hi Martin, > > That was a Kathy Acker quote... > > not my own. > > karen, > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:07 PM, martin mitchell > wrote: > Suggest.

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread s_home
rom: "Helen Pritchard" >To: >Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in > Deinstitutionalisation >Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:07:09 + > >me too! >thankyou for your reply Curt - >Helen >On 11 Feb 2010, at 18:43, ma

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread Antonio Dias
matin, That's all correct. My comments were in response to my perception of an oversimplification in your "suggestion…" to Karen. The "ownership" we deal with here, "somewhere on the ethernet," is a fragile space where there is a modicum of freedom tempered by the broad yet shallow reach

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread karen blissett
Hi Martin, That was a Kathy Acker quote... not my own. karen, On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:07 PM, martin mitchell wrote: > Suggest. maybe you are looking in the wrong places. > > Martin. > > On 11 Feb 2010, at 18:52, karen blissett wrote: > > "One of the reasons I think the ultra righ

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread martin mitchell
Tony. Control, prejudice, ignorance and ideology are often used to 'control free speech', one of the restricting tools used is idea 'ownership' which can take on many slippery meanings like money, power and copyright, this email conversation structure has ownership but who might be defined as t

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread Antonio Dias
Martin, it's not my presumption that keeps you from being heard, but the "ownership" of "free speech." Tony Antonio Dias: http://antoniodiasadw.wordpress.com/ Horizons of Significance: http://horizonsofsignificance.wordpress.com/ Fine Lines http://finelinesamatterofdistinction.wordpress.c

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread martin mitchell
But nobody owns my spoken words only your presumption. Martin. On 11 Feb 2010, at 19:12, Antonio Dias wrote: > Martin, > > Outside of places like this list free speech equals money. That's what the > Right has. Owning speech, what a thought! > > Tony > > > Antonio Dias: > http://a

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread Antonio Dias
Martin, Outside of places like this list free speech equals money. That's what the Right has. Owning speech, what a thought! Tony Antonio Dias: http://antoniodiasadw.wordpress.com/ Horizons of Significance: http://horizonsofsignificance.wordpress.com/ Fine Lines http://finelinesamattero

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread martin mitchell
Suggest. maybe you are looking in the wrong places. Martin. On 11 Feb 2010, at 18:52, karen blissett wrote: > "One of the reasons I think the ultra right-wing has such power in this > country is that no one talks out." > Kathy Acker. ___ >

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread Helen Pritchard
me too! thankyou for your reply Curt - Helen On 11 Feb 2010, at 18:43, marc garrett wrote: > I like that also... > > marc >> Curt, >> >> Beautiful! >> >> Tony >> >> >> *Antonio Dias:* >> http://antoniodiasadw.wordpress.com/ >> >> *Horizons of Significance:* >> http://horizonsofsignificance.wordpre

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread karen blissett
"One of the reasons I think the ultra right-wing has such power in this country is that no one talks out." Kathy Acker. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread marc garrett
I like that also... marc > Curt, > > Beautiful! > > Tony > > > *Antonio Dias:* > http://antoniodiasadw.wordpress.com/ > > *Horizons of Significance:* > http://horizonsofsignificance.wordpress.com/ > * > * > *Fine Lines* > http://finelinesamatterofdistinction.wordpress.com > > > On Feb 11, 2010, a

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread Antonio Dias
Curt, Beautiful! Tony Antonio Dias: http://antoniodiasadw.wordpress.com/ Horizons of Significance: http://horizonsofsignificance.wordpress.com/ Fine Lines http://finelinesamatterofdistinction.wordpress.com On Feb 11, 2010, at 1:21 PM, Curt Cloninger wrote: Hi Helen (and all), It seems t

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-11 Thread Curt Cloninger
Hi Helen (and all), It seems to me that for an artist, the next tactical turn is to not bother about the next tactical turn (don't bother to make it; don't bother to refuse to make it). The next move is to follow the topics, interests, and concepts of one's own practice, however long they may

Re: [NetBehaviour] Crisis at the ICA: Ekow Eshun's Experiment in Deinstitutionalisation

2010-02-10 Thread Curt Cloninger
Thanks Mark. To me the most insightful part is where Charlesworth explains how overarching forces of capitalism are causing an arts institution to sponsor work by artists critical of capitalism. The tactical artists cary out their confined, parochial, micro-critiques of capitalism under the au