Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-27 Thread bob catchpole
@netbehaviour.org Sent: Sunday, 27 July, 2008 2:03:53 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl Hi Bob, It's not a virus that you can't get rid of. It will only recreate itself if you delete it while it's running. If you delete it while it's not running, it's gone. And even

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-26 Thread Pall Thayer
be able to get rid of!!... - Original Message From: Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2008 9:06:01 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl Well, on the screen you don't see anything happen (that's why I warned jwm not to be disappointed

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread clemos
Hi Maybe you should execute it again, in the end, with eval or something ? Its temporary inexistance would be something more like a sleep, and the end of your program its awakening. Its death would not be the end of program anymore, but rather an external signal (kill) or the consequence of an

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Pall Thayer
Is it worth adding a simple neural net so the program can draw its own conclusions? :-) But see, that's where things begin to get really hairy. Would such conclusions really be the program's conclusions? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that they were my conclusions? I've got some

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Pall Thayer
clemos wrote: Hi Maybe you should execute it again, in the end, with eval or something ? Its temporary inexistance would be something more like a sleep, and the end of your program its awakening. Its death would not be the end of program anymore, but rather an external signal (kill) or the

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Rob Myers
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it worth adding a simple neural net so the program can draw its own conclusions? :-) But see, that's where things begin to get really hairy. Would such conclusions really be the program's conclusions? Wouldn't it be

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Pall Thayer
We do not create the structure of our own brains, we receive their design via evolution (or from God, but either way we don't make them ourselves). But we eventually take credit for using them. The structure of a neural net isn't determined by the program itself either. *Legally* the

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread james jwm-art net
Just a quick thought: how about a client/server model? so there could be several components communicating with each other? On 25/7/2008, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do not create the structure of our own brains, we receive their design via evolution (or from God, but either way

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Rob Myers
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, james jwm-art net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick thought: how about a client/server model? so there could be several components communicating with each other? Or peer-to-peer, for a more equal society. ;-) - Rob.

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Pall Thayer
james jwm-art net wrote: Just a quick thought: how about a client/server model? so there could be several components communicating with each other? Actually, I see that as a later step. The program will eventually want to explore outer space and that's where networking can come into the

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Pall Thayer
ps. Just out of curiosity. Has anyone actually tried running exist.pl on their own computer? It should run on any Mac OS X or Linux computer (or any *nix variation). I'd be interested in hearing what people think. For those unfamiliar with Perl scripts, simply copy and paste the code into a

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread james jwm-art net
I was not so much thinking in terms of networks involving other computers, more splitting the parts of the program up (or potential parts) so they can comunicate with each other and respawn dead processes, I suppose roughly analogous to sensing processes and a brain process, perhaps allowing the

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Pall Thayer
OK, don't be disappointed when you do run it. Keep in mind that it's an introspective exercise on the part of the software. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:12 PM, james jwm-art net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was not so much thinking in terms of networks involving other computers, more splitting the

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread bob catchpole
Pall, What's happens when you run exist.pl? I don't know anything about programming, but the recent exchange of ideas around your code has been the highlight for me since joining the list. Best has been the palpable shared sense of excitement in exploring a perceived 'state of being' and

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

2008-07-25 Thread Pall Thayer
Well, on the screen you don't see anything happen (that's why I warned jwm not to be disappointed). Once you give the command, it starts running so it drops from the command prompt but doesn't give you another because it's going through a consistent loop that is maintained by the existence of the