Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Mark Hancock]

Hi Ann,

This has really amused me. Thanks for sharing.

M

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> On 15 Mar 2016, at 06:58, Ann Light <ann.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Your question inspired me to share a moment that's stayed with me through a 
> lifetime.
> 
> Long long ago, in the days of the O level in British education, the Liverpool 
> poets (http://www.literature-study-online.com/essays/liverpool-poets.html) 
> were quite the thing and their poems were often set for study on the English 
> literature syllabus, then assessed by an unseen exam. At some point, one 
> Sunday newspaper decided to pit the three poets against their own poems by 
> setting them that year's English literature paper. They were hopeless. They 
> had no idea what the themes were or how to conduct an appropriately pitched 
> analysis. They were also very amusing about it. Though not, if I recall 
> rightly, in verse. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Ann
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Mark Hancock <mark.r.hanc...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi Johannes,
>> 
>> >>a kind of romanticism that evokes/links decaying landscapes and empires 
>> >>and the sublime (aesthetics)
>> 
>> Excellent! You make it sound like a bad thing though?
>> 
>> I like that the work has evoked some discussion, especially as it has moved 
>> beyond my own thought processes while creating the work. The work was born, 
>> after all, from an instinctive creative process, rather than one that 
>> attempted to prove any given ideology or philosophical perspective. But 
>> perhaps I’m being disingenuous here, maybe I was hoping that it would, while 
>> not explicitly stating that during the process of creation?
>> 
>> Can the person making the work, be in the best place to analyse the work? I 
>> know this is a well-worn path, but I’d be interested in what people have to 
>> say on this. I’ve been looking at subjects for a short documentary I’d like 
>> to make this year, I wonder if this is it?
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 14 Mar 2016, at 20:13, Johannes Birringer 
>> > <johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > dear all
>> >
>> > it is interesting to me to read the responses, or the conversation between 
>> > Mark and Alan,
>> > but I find Mark's (and to some extent yours, Alan, as well) commentary too 
>> > close to
>> > a kind of romanticism that evokes/links decaying landscapes and empires 
>> > and the sublime (aesthetics).
>> >
>> > And John did respond to my query, thank you, regarding "posturing of 
>> > power, and the decay implicit in
>> > myths of cultural heritage.. and 'preservation'", and I thought his 
>> > discussion of
>> > the depletion of energy/force (for building archive and hoarding in the 
>> > museums of the former west)
>> > and depletion of social order (a kind of chaos theory of the end of 
>> > political, including the poor cousins of landscape art and border art?), 
>> > also in
>> > the US empire (Amurika? whose albion is that?), was very thought-provoking.
>> >
>> > It did make me think, and wonder also, given Alan's silence, whether I 
>> > offended sensibilities here evoking
>> > a materialist dialectics that would see iconoclasm/destruction in another 
>> > light. It was so easy
>> > to condemn ISIS and be morally abhorred; and when you ask why is there no 
>> > abhorrence
>> > and condemnation and protest against the state governments that took the 
>> > war to Syria and destroyed
>> > Syria (after destroying Iraq), well, are we powerless to stop war, stop 
>> > the refugee crisis?
>> >
>> > nothing unknowable here, Mark, I guess.
>> >
>> >
>> > respectfully,
>> > Johannes Birringer
>> >
>> > 
>> > From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org 
>> > [netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Mark Hancock 
>> > [mark.r.hanc...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:29 AM
>> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
>> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes 
>> > of Albion
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Yes! It probably is me collapsing, bits falling away and into the ocean 
>> > (of the sublime?).
>> >
>> > I’d be interested to find out more of your feelings of i

Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Ann Light]

Hi Mark,

Your question inspired me to share a moment that's stayed with me through a
lifetime.

Long long ago, in the days of the O level in British education, the
Liverpool poets (
http://www.literature-study-online.com/essays/liverpool-poets.html) were
quite the thing and their poems were often set for study on the English
literature syllabus, then assessed by an unseen exam. At some point, one
Sunday newspaper decided to pit the three poets against their own poems by
setting them that year's English literature paper. They were hopeless. They
had no idea what the themes were or how to conduct an appropriately pitched
analysis. They were also very amusing about it. Though not, if I recall
rightly, in verse.

Best wishes
Ann

On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Mark Hancock <mark.r.hanc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Johannes,
>
> >>a kind of romanticism that evokes/links decaying landscapes and empires
> and the sublime (aesthetics)
>
> Excellent! You make it sound like a bad thing though?
>
> I like that the work has evoked some discussion, especially as it has
> moved beyond my own thought processes while creating the work. The work was
> born, after all, from an instinctive creative process, rather than one that
> attempted to prove any given ideology or philosophical perspective. But
> perhaps I’m being disingenuous here, maybe I was hoping that it would,
> while not explicitly stating that during the process of creation?
>
> Can the person making the work, be in the best place to analyse the work?
> I know this is a well-worn path, but I’d be interested in what people have
> to say on this. I’ve been looking at subjects for a short documentary I’d
> like to make this year, I wonder if this is it?
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> > On 14 Mar 2016, at 20:13, Johannes Birringer <
> johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > dear all
> >
> > it is interesting to me to read the responses, or the conversation
> between Mark and Alan,
> > but I find Mark's (and to some extent yours, Alan, as well) commentary
> too close to
> > a kind of romanticism that evokes/links decaying landscapes and empires
> and the sublime (aesthetics).
> >
> > And John did respond to my query, thank you, regarding "posturing of
> power, and the decay implicit in
> > myths of cultural heritage.. and 'preservation'", and I thought his
> discussion of
> > the depletion of energy/force (for building archive and hoarding in the
> museums of the former west)
> > and depletion of social order (a kind of chaos theory of the end of
> political, including the poor cousins of landscape art and border art?),
> also in
> > the US empire (Amurika? whose albion is that?), was very
> thought-provoking.
> >
> > It did make me think, and wonder also, given Alan's silence, whether I
> offended sensibilities here evoking
> > a materialist dialectics that would see iconoclasm/destruction in
> another light. It was so easy
> > to condemn ISIS and be morally abhorred; and when you ask why is there
> no abhorrence
> > and condemnation and protest against the state governments that took the
> war to Syria and destroyed
> > Syria (after destroying Iraq), well, are we powerless to stop war, stop
> the refugee crisis?
> >
> > nothing unknowable here, Mark, I guess.
> >
> >
> > respectfully,
> > Johannes Birringer
> >
> > ________
> > From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [
> netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Mark Hancock [
> mark.r.hanc...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:29 AM
> > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes
> of Albion
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Yes! It probably is me collapsing, bits falling away and into the ocean
> (of the sublime?).
> >
> > I’d be interested to find out more of your feelings of insignificance,
> because I imagine that comes from knowing that there is so much more to
> know in the world. Perhaps the decaying landscape is our own uncertainty in
> the face of so much unknowable?
> >
> > M
> >
> >> On 13 Mar 2016, at 20:12, Alan Sondheim <sondh...@panix.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Mark,
> >>
> >> Wouldn't it be true to say that you're collapsing, not the landscape?
> And whether that content is somehow manifest to us as viewers? I feel the
> same sort of vertigo, but I associate it with the Kantian sublime (which
> for all I know relates to Peirce's continuum via Zalamea), and a resulting,
> for 

Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Mark Hancock]

Hi Johannes,

>>a kind of romanticism that evokes/links decaying landscapes and empires and 
>>the sublime (aesthetics)

Excellent! You make it sound like a bad thing though?

I like that the work has evoked some discussion, especially as it has moved 
beyond my own thought processes while creating the work. The work was born, 
after all, from an instinctive creative process, rather than one that attempted 
to prove any given ideology or philosophical perspective. But perhaps I’m being 
disingenuous here, maybe I was hoping that it would, while not explicitly 
stating that during the process of creation?

Can the person making the work, be in the best place to analyse the work? I 
know this is a well-worn path, but I’d be interested in what people have to say 
on this. I’ve been looking at subjects for a short documentary I’d like to make 
this year, I wonder if this is it?

Cheers

Mark



> On 14 Mar 2016, at 20:13, Johannes Birringer 
> <johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk> wrote:
> 
> dear all
> 
> it is interesting to me to read the responses, or the conversation between 
> Mark and Alan,
> but I find Mark's (and to some extent yours, Alan, as well) commentary too 
> close to
> a kind of romanticism that evokes/links decaying landscapes and empires and 
> the sublime (aesthetics).
> 
> And John did respond to my query, thank you, regarding "posturing of power, 
> and the decay implicit in
> myths of cultural heritage.. and 'preservation'", and I thought his 
> discussion of
> the depletion of energy/force (for building archive and hoarding in the 
> museums of the former west) 
> and depletion of social order (a kind of chaos theory of the end of 
> political, including the poor cousins of landscape art and border art?), also 
> in
> the US empire (Amurika? whose albion is that?), was very thought-provoking. 
> 
> It did make me think, and wonder also, given Alan's silence, whether I 
> offended sensibilities here evoking
> a materialist dialectics that would see iconoclasm/destruction in another 
> light. It was so easy
> to condemn ISIS and be morally abhorred; and when you ask why is there no 
> abhorrence
> and condemnation and protest against the state governments that took the war 
> to Syria and destroyed
> Syria (after destroying Iraq), well, are we powerless to stop war, stop the 
> refugee crisis?
> 
> nothing unknowable here, Mark, I guess. 
> 
> 
> respectfully,
> Johannes Birringer
> 
> 
> From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org 
> [netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Mark Hancock 
> [mark.r.hanc...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:29 AM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of   
>   Albion
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yes! It probably is me collapsing, bits falling away and into the ocean (of 
> the sublime?).
> 
> I’d be interested to find out more of your feelings of insignificance, 
> because I imagine that comes from knowing that there is so much more to know 
> in the world. Perhaps the decaying landscape is our own uncertainty in the 
> face of so much unknowable?
> 
> M
> 
>> On 13 Mar 2016, at 20:12, Alan Sondheim <sondh...@panix.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be true to say that you're collapsing, not the landscape? And 
>> whether that content is somehow manifest to us as viewers? I feel the same 
>> sort of vertigo, but I associate it with the Kantian sublime (which for all 
>> I know relates to Peirce's continuum via Zalamea), and a resulting, for me, 
>> sense of insignificance - literally in the presennce of being (and Being) 
>> _awe-struck._ ...
>> 
>> - Alan
>> 
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, thank you for taking the time to view the video!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In a very general, not too researched way, I was reading about Deep Time in 
>>> (I think, I?m still on holiday away from my bookshelves) Collapse journal, 
>>> Volume 2. That, coupled with a comic from Image, called Injection, which 
>>> touches on aspects of British folklore and AI, got me thinking last year 
>>> about the idea of cinema as occult exploration; part ritual, part 
>>> documentation, perhaps? So I created these Deep Time Exploration experiment 
>>> films, which I?ve linked below.
>>> 
>>> This latest piece is an extension of that exploration, trying to see 
>>> something in the landscape beyond what initially meets the eye.
>>> 
>>> As for decaying landscapes, I?m extreme

Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Johannes Birringer]

dear all

it is interesting to me to read the responses, or the conversation between Mark 
and Alan,
but I find Mark's (and to some extent yours, Alan, as well) commentary too 
close to
a kind of romanticism that evokes/links decaying landscapes and empires and the 
sublime (aesthetics).

And John did respond to my query, thank you, regarding "posturing of power, and 
the decay implicit in
myths of cultural heritage.. and 'preservation'", and I thought his discussion 
of
the depletion of energy/force (for building archive and hoarding in the museums 
of the former west) 
and depletion of social order (a kind of chaos theory of the end of political, 
including the poor cousins of landscape art and border art?), also in
the US empire (Amurika? whose albion is that?), was very thought-provoking. 

It did make me think, and wonder also, given Alan's silence, whether I offended 
sensibilities here evoking
a materialist dialectics that would see iconoclasm/destruction in another 
light. It was so easy
to condemn ISIS and be morally abhorred; and when you ask why is there no 
abhorrence
and condemnation and protest against the state governments that took the war to 
Syria and destroyed
Syria (after destroying Iraq), well, are we powerless to stop war, stop the 
refugee crisis?
 
nothing unknowable here, Mark, I guess. 


respectfully,
Johannes Birringer


From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org 
[netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] on behalf of Mark Hancock 
[mark.r.hanc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 12:29 AM
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of     
Albion

Hi,

Yes! It probably is me collapsing, bits falling away and into the ocean (of the 
sublime?).

I’d be interested to find out more of your feelings of insignificance, because 
I imagine that comes from knowing that there is so much more to know in the 
world. Perhaps the decaying landscape is our own uncertainty in the face of so 
much unknowable?

M

> On 13 Mar 2016, at 20:12, Alan Sondheim <sondh...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Wouldn't it be true to say that you're collapsing, not the landscape? And 
> whether that content is somehow manifest to us as viewers? I feel the same 
> sort of vertigo, but I associate it with the Kantian sublime (which for all I 
> know relates to Peirce's continuum via Zalamea), and a resulting, for me, 
> sense of insignificance - literally in the presennce of being (and Being) 
> _awe-struck._ ...
>
> - Alan
>
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:
>
>> Hi all, thank you for taking the time to view the video!
>>
>>
>> In a very general, not too researched way, I was reading about Deep Time in 
>> (I think, I?m still on holiday away from my bookshelves) Collapse journal, 
>> Volume 2. That, coupled with a comic from Image, called Injection, which 
>> touches on aspects of British folklore and AI, got me thinking last year 
>> about the idea of cinema as occult exploration; part ritual, part 
>> documentation, perhaps? So I created these Deep Time Exploration experiment 
>> films, which I?ve linked below.
>>
>> This latest piece is an extension of that exploration, trying to see 
>> something in the landscape beyond what initially meets the eye.
>>
>> As for decaying landscapes, I?m extremely risk-averse and nervous whenever I 
>> go near any cliffs, constantly worrying that they?ll collapse and crush me. 
>> There?s beauty in there, but also fear. To me, the landscapes are constantly 
>> collapsing. Maybe I?m being paranoid.
>>
>> I?ve been using GoPros for a couple of years, because I?ve wanted to take 
>> this ?extreme sports? documentation tool and use it in a different, 
>> creative/playful way. As I?ve been thinking about this all now, I realised 
>> that one root was probably the work of Mark Amerika. In fact, an interview 
>> for DigiCult* I did with Mark a few years ago, probably lodged itself in my 
>> neural pathways.
>>
>> It?s rare that I get to think and write about my own work, so thank you and 
>> your references and thoughts have really got me thinking and making some 
>> connections.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Mark

>Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion
netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] 
on behalf of John Hopkins [chaz...@gmail.com]
Sent:   Saturday, March 12, 2016 7:21 PM
To:  netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org


Hei Johannes --

> What interests me here is the posturing of power, and the decay implicit in
> myths of cultural heritage anyway, and what is "preservation" standing in
> for?  What chasms?

Preservat

Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Alan Sondheim]

Hi, I'd agree with you, but for me, the only landscapes that can be 
considered decaying are those which are violated by humans - superfund 
sites in the U.S., ISIS' destruction, the depletion of the rainforests, 
and so forth. In which case, decaying is not an odd passivity, but an 
active and uncaring corrosion, indicative of a decayed species out of 
control...


- Alan, thanks

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:


Hi,

Yes! It probably is me collapsing, bits falling away and into the ocean (of the 
sublime?).

I?d be interested to find out more of your feelings of insignificance, 
because I imagine that comes from knowing that there is so much more to 
know in the world. Perhaps the decaying landscape is our own uncertainty 
in the face of so much unknowable?


M




On 13 Mar 2016, at 20:12, Alan Sondheim  wrote:


Hi Mark,

Wouldn't it be true to say that you're collapsing, not the landscape? And 
whether that content is somehow manifest to us as viewers? I feel the same sort 
of vertigo, but I associate it with the Kantian sublime (which for all I know 
relates to Peirce's continuum via Zalamea), and a resulting, for me, sense of 
insignificance - literally in the presennce of being (and Being) _awe-struck._ 
...

- Alan

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:


Hi all, thank you for taking the time to view the video!


In a very general, not too researched way, I was reading about Deep Time in (I 
think, I?m still on holiday away from my bookshelves) Collapse journal, Volume 
2. That, coupled with a comic from Image, called Injection, which touches on 
aspects of British folklore and AI, got me thinking last year about the idea of 
cinema as occult exploration; part ritual, part documentation, perhaps? So I 
created these Deep Time Exploration experiment films, which I?ve linked below.

This latest piece is an extension of that exploration, trying to see something 
in the landscape beyond what initially meets the eye.

As for decaying landscapes, I?m extremely risk-averse and nervous whenever I go 
near any cliffs, constantly worrying that they?ll collapse and crush me. 
There?s beauty in there, but also fear. To me, the landscapes are constantly 
collapsing. Maybe I?m being paranoid.

I?ve been using GoPros for a couple of years, because I?ve wanted to take this 
?extreme sports? documentation tool and use it in a different, creative/playful 
way. As I?ve been thinking about this all now, I realised that one root was 
probably the work of Mark Amerika. In fact, an interview for DigiCult* I did 
with Mark a few years ago, probably lodged itself in my neural pathways.

It?s rare that I get to think and write about my own work, so thank you and 
your references and thoughts have really got me thinking and making some 
connections.

Regards

Mark



https://vimeo.com/140845772

https://vimeo.com/140842992

https://vimeo.com/140842883

* 
http://www.digicult.it/digimag/issue-068/moving-remixing-the-economy-of-motion-by-mark-amerika/



On 13 Mar 2016, at 03:22, Alan Sondheim  wrote:
Really like this, but not sure why the landscapes are decaying, what you mean 
by this? and yes, great music/visuals!
Thanks! Alan
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:

Hi Gill, thank you!
M
On 12 Mar 2016, at 13:47, Gill Davies  wrote:

Enjoyed this, Mark.  Love the soundtrack.
On 12 March 2016 at 13:26, Mark Hancock 
wrote:
Hi all,
A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK):
Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion
https://vimeo.com/158726454
All the best,
Mark
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Mark Hancock]

Hi,

Yes! It probably is me collapsing, bits falling away and into the ocean (of the 
sublime?).

I’d be interested to find out more of your feelings of insignificance, because 
I imagine that comes from knowing that there is so much more to know in the 
world. Perhaps the decaying landscape is our own uncertainty in the face of so 
much unknowable?

M



> On 13 Mar 2016, at 20:12, Alan Sondheim  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Wouldn't it be true to say that you're collapsing, not the landscape? And 
> whether that content is somehow manifest to us as viewers? I feel the same 
> sort of vertigo, but I associate it with the Kantian sublime (which for all I 
> know relates to Peirce's continuum via Zalamea), and a resulting, for me, 
> sense of insignificance - literally in the presennce of being (and Being) 
> _awe-struck._ ...
> 
> - Alan
> 
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, thank you for taking the time to view the video!
>> 
>> 
>> In a very general, not too researched way, I was reading about Deep Time in 
>> (I think, I?m still on holiday away from my bookshelves) Collapse journal, 
>> Volume 2. That, coupled with a comic from Image, called Injection, which 
>> touches on aspects of British folklore and AI, got me thinking last year 
>> about the idea of cinema as occult exploration; part ritual, part 
>> documentation, perhaps? So I created these Deep Time Exploration experiment 
>> films, which I?ve linked below.
>> 
>> This latest piece is an extension of that exploration, trying to see 
>> something in the landscape beyond what initially meets the eye.
>> 
>> As for decaying landscapes, I?m extremely risk-averse and nervous whenever I 
>> go near any cliffs, constantly worrying that they?ll collapse and crush me. 
>> There?s beauty in there, but also fear. To me, the landscapes are constantly 
>> collapsing. Maybe I?m being paranoid.
>> 
>> I?ve been using GoPros for a couple of years, because I?ve wanted to take 
>> this ?extreme sports? documentation tool and use it in a different, 
>> creative/playful way. As I?ve been thinking about this all now, I realised 
>> that one root was probably the work of Mark Amerika. In fact, an interview 
>> for DigiCult* I did with Mark a few years ago, probably lodged itself in my 
>> neural pathways.
>> 
>> It?s rare that I get to think and write about my own work, so thank you and 
>> your references and thoughts have really got me thinking and making some 
>> connections.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://vimeo.com/140845772
>> 
>> https://vimeo.com/140842992
>> 
>> https://vimeo.com/140842883
>> 
>> * 
>> http://www.digicult.it/digimag/issue-068/moving-remixing-the-economy-of-motion-by-mark-amerika/
>> 
>> 
>>> On 13 Mar 2016, at 03:22, Alan Sondheim  wrote:
>>> Really like this, but not sure why the landscapes are decaying, what you 
>>> mean by this? and yes, great music/visuals!
>>> Thanks! Alan
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:
 Hi Gill, thank you!
 M
 On 12 Mar 2016, at 13:47, Gill Davies  wrote:
 
 Enjoyed this, Mark.  Love the soundtrack.
 On 12 March 2016 at 13:26, Mark Hancock 
 wrote:
 Hi all,
 A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK):
 Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion
 https://vimeo.com/158726454
 All the best,
 Mark
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Alan Sondheim]

Hi Mark,

Wouldn't it be true to say that you're collapsing, not the landscape? And 
whether that content is somehow manifest to us as viewers? I feel the same 
sort of vertigo, but I associate it with the Kantian sublime (which for 
all I know relates to Peirce's continuum via Zalamea), and a resulting, 
for me, sense of insignificance - literally in the presennce of being (and 
Being) _awe-struck._ ...


- Alan

On Sun, 13 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:


Hi all, thank you for taking the time to view the video!


In a very general, not too researched way, I was reading about Deep Time in (I 
think, I?m still on holiday away from my bookshelves) Collapse journal, Volume 
2. That, coupled with a comic from Image, called Injection, which touches on 
aspects of British folklore and AI, got me thinking last year about the idea of 
cinema as occult exploration; part ritual, part documentation, perhaps? So I 
created these Deep Time Exploration experiment films, which I?ve linked below.

This latest piece is an extension of that exploration, trying to see something 
in the landscape beyond what initially meets the eye.

As for decaying landscapes, I?m extremely risk-averse and nervous whenever I go 
near any cliffs, constantly worrying that they?ll collapse and crush me. 
There?s beauty in there, but also fear. To me, the landscapes are constantly 
collapsing. Maybe I?m being paranoid.

I?ve been using GoPros for a couple of years, because I?ve wanted to take this 
?extreme sports? documentation tool and use it in a different, creative/playful 
way. As I?ve been thinking about this all now, I realised that one root was 
probably the work of Mark Amerika. In fact, an interview for DigiCult* I did 
with Mark a few years ago, probably lodged itself in my neural pathways.

It?s rare that I get to think and write about my own work, so thank you and 
your references and thoughts have really got me thinking and making some 
connections.

Regards

Mark



https://vimeo.com/140845772

https://vimeo.com/140842992

https://vimeo.com/140842883

* 
http://www.digicult.it/digimag/issue-068/moving-remixing-the-economy-of-motion-by-mark-amerika/



On 13 Mar 2016, at 03:22, Alan Sondheim  wrote:



Really like this, but not sure why the landscapes are decaying, what you mean 
by this? and yes, great music/visuals!

Thanks! Alan

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:


Hi Gill, thank you!
M
On 12 Mar 2016, at 13:47, Gill Davies  wrote:

 Enjoyed this, Mark.  Love the soundtrack.
On 12 March 2016 at 13:26, Mark Hancock 
wrote:
 Hi all,
A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK):
Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion
https://vimeo.com/158726454
All the best,
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Mark Hancock]

Hi all, thank you for taking the time to view the video!


In a very general, not too researched way, I was reading about Deep Time in (I 
think, I’m still on holiday away from my bookshelves) Collapse journal, Volume 
2. That, coupled with a comic from Image, called Injection, which touches on 
aspects of British folklore and AI, got me thinking last year about the idea of 
cinema as occult exploration; part ritual, part documentation, perhaps? So I 
created these Deep Time Exploration experiment films, which I’ve linked below.

This latest piece is an extension of that exploration, trying to see something 
in the landscape beyond what initially meets the eye.

As for decaying landscapes, I’m extremely risk-averse and nervous whenever I go 
near any cliffs, constantly worrying that they’ll collapse and crush me. 
There’s beauty in there, but also fear. To me, the landscapes are constantly 
collapsing. Maybe I’m being paranoid.

I’ve been using GoPros for a couple of years, because I’ve wanted to take this 
‘extreme sports’ documentation tool and use it in a different, creative/playful 
way. As I’ve been thinking about this all now, I realised that one root was 
probably the work of Mark Amerika. In fact, an interview for DigiCult* I did 
with Mark a few years ago, probably lodged itself in my neural pathways.

It’s rare that I get to think and write about my own work, so thank you and 
your references and thoughts have really got me thinking and making some 
connections.

Regards

Mark



https://vimeo.com/140845772

https://vimeo.com/140842992

https://vimeo.com/140842883

* 
http://www.digicult.it/digimag/issue-068/moving-remixing-the-economy-of-motion-by-mark-amerika/


> On 13 Mar 2016, at 03:22, Alan Sondheim  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Really like this, but not sure why the landscapes are decaying, what you mean 
> by this? and yes, great music/visuals!
> 
> Thanks! Alan
> 
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gill, thank you!
>> M
>> On 12 Mar 2016, at 13:47, Gill Davies  wrote:
>> 
>>  Enjoyed this, Mark.  Love the soundtrack.
>> On 12 March 2016 at 13:26, Mark Hancock 
>> wrote:
>>  Hi all,
>> A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK):
>> Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion
>> https://vimeo.com/158726454
>> All the best,
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Alan Sondheim]

Really like this, but not sure why the landscapes are decaying, what you 
mean by this? and yes, great music/visuals!


Thanks! Alan

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016, Mark Hancock wrote:


Hi Gill, thank you!

M

On 12 Mar 2016, at 13:47, Gill Davies  wrote:

  Enjoyed this, Mark.  Love the soundtrack.

On 12 March 2016 at 13:26, Mark Hancock 
wrote:
  Hi all,

A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK):
Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

https://vimeo.com/158726454

All the best,

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Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[John Hopkins]

Hei Johannes --


What interests me here is the posturing of power, and the decay implicit in
myths of cultural heritage anyway, and what is "preservation" standing in
for?  What chasms?


Preservation, the archive as one form of that process, is only possible when 
there is excess energy available to maintain the 'material' order of whatever is 
being preserved. We in the developed world have lived through a time where 
energy excess (glut) has allowed wide-scale preservation of 'old' things. 
Historically, in times of less available energy, 'old' or non-essential things 
were 'allowed' to fall into disorder.


In times of great chaos -- times where energy flows are undirected, or there are 
many flows that are not unified, or are directed in many different 'directions' 
-- sees the act of preservation contract forced to contract to the scale of 
embodied presence alone. The primary focus of existence becomes: finding food, 
water, air, and defending the body from the chaos that threatens to enter it.


We are living in a time where there is no longer a lock on energy sources (that 
the 'West' has so long had), rising population brings greater competition, and 
with that, anger, fear, and 'decline' from the standards that we have enjoyed 
for one hundred years or so -- well, since forests, whale oil, coal, and, 
finally oil gave some humans an energy glut. Within glut we could save more, 
until now, we can save our entire 'lives' digitally (at the cost of CO2 
generated from The Cloud). While around our glutted enclaves, chaos builds, and 
where we once projected order (via archaeology among the many colonial tools of 
projected power and 'order') we have no choice but to watch chaos creep back in: 
we are power-less to stop it. We no longer have the energy.


So it has been for Life on the planet all along, we are running under the same 
laws of nature as the last 3+ billion years or so.


There will be more evidences of this (perhaps the dis-order Amurikans are 
witnessing in their social system is a direct manifestation of the imbalance 
between too many people and too little energy compared to the high times of 
Empire in decades past -- implicit in "Make Amurika Great Again". Same with 
Europe. With chaos on the doorstep.


Saturday morning meditations.

JH

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Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

[Johannes Birringer]

dear all

just watched Mark's film that he shared with us (thank you), and also saw Alan 
Sondheim's photograph, chasmb39.jpg,
of a late wintry landscape, and pondering the layerings of Marks' film (the 
white sliver a gap, crack from the sky, distorting 
the/a view from above, rolling over the landscape at the edge of the sea?), I 
felt compelled to ask Mark to tell us a little
more about what is meant by "decaying landscapes" and the reference to 
"Albion." 

The reason for my interest is also connected to a small cultural and political 
inquiry, if I may bring it up very briefly,
namely what some are now discussing vividly, the so-called "new materialism."

I attended a roundtable on Thursday at U of Westminster in London, on NEW 
MATERIALISM: POLITICS, AESTHETICS, SCIENCE 
(https://www.westminster.ac.uk/events/new-materialism-politics-aesthetics-science),
 trying to lear more about the interest in 'vibrant matter.'

There someone offered a talk that puzzled many, then energized and invited 
fervent debate. I mention it because last year, after Alan and I moderated
a discussion on ISIS and absolute terror, Alan expressed at some point his 
horror at the destruction of the ancient Assyrian site of Nimrod, the pillage
of historic monuments and artifacts. 

In light of Mark's film, I'd like to figure out what "Albion" here stands for, 
and whether, etymologically, there are some strange layers here going on
not only in the film but the "patrimony" of the word or whatever [albu, 
elfydd/elbid, "earth, world, land, country, district" /other European and 
Mediterranean toponyms such as Alpes, Albania;  *albho-, a Proto-Indo-European 
root meaning "white"?
etc) the white cliffs and islands refer to And why is "landscape" 
decaying at all? is it really?  or are the human built houses and bridges and 
architectures meant by that, are they crumbling?

What I want to throw up here, for discussion, is what Ben Pitcher at Univ. of 
Westminster (its entrance in the building referencing king Edward VII) 
provocatively suggested in his talk on "Isis Iconoclasm and Rocks and Stones in 
Material Culture" --
he argued that rather than morally condemning ISIS and their iconoclasm at 
Nimrod, one could see such destruction as a creative act, and a touch (a haptic 
intervention) of stone and rock that does not reduce the object but modify and 
revivify something of a revelation (revealing the inside of the stone, and 
also, in the video/performance of the hammering down of the reliefs, drawing 
attention to a masonry quite common of the era and distributed widely in Iraq 
and the neighboring regions) Copies of copies.  What Pitcher suggested is to 
look not at the destruction of an "original" (myth) or an order but compare 
that iconoclasm (ordered, as ISIS of course ideologically correctly argues, by 
the prophet) with the colonial regimes and their perverse upholding of their 
order (having "requisitioned" others'  cultural patrimony or heritage for 
museums, in London, Berlin, Paris, New York, etc; forbidding touch/ 'do not 
touch the object') in the former west that extracted the artifacts and monu
 ments of Iraq and Egypt to transport reliefs/tombs to their museums onto their 
display of their power. 

What interests me here is the posturing of power, and the decay implicit in 
myths of cultural heritage anyway, and what is "preservation" standing in for?  
What chasms?


regards
Johannes Birringer
dap lab



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A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK): Interspersed amongst the 
decaying landscapes of Albion

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Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

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Hi Gill, thank you!

M

> On 12 Mar 2016, at 13:47, Gill Davies  wrote:
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> Enjoyed this, Mark.  Love the soundtrack.
> 
>> On 12 March 2016 at 13:26, Mark Hancock  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK): Interspersed amongst 
>> the decaying landscapes of Albion
>> 
>> https://vimeo.com/158726454
>> 
>> All the best,
>> 
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

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Enjoyed this, Mark.  Love the soundtrack.

On 12 March 2016 at 13:26, Mark Hancock  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK): Interspersed amongst
> the decaying landscapes of Albion
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> https://vimeo.com/158726454
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> All the best,
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[NetBehaviour] Interspersed amongst the decaying landscapes of Albion

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Hi all,

A short video, filmed at Port Isaac in Cornwall (UK): Interspersed amongst the 
decaying landscapes of Albion

https://vimeo.com/158726454 

All the best,

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