Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-05-13 Thread Jay Patel
A Journey Into BSD and Standards: BSD and POSIX  https://indico.bsdcan.org/event/1/contributions/26/ Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer On Fri, 10 May 2024 at 12:28 am, Liam Proven wrote: On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 14:51, Hauke Fath (SPG) wrote: > > And there's the rub, right there. > >

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-05-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 14:51, Hauke Fath (SPG) wrote: > > And there's the rub, right there. > > You want to tell other people ("developers") what they should spend > their time on. And if you were ten times right, it wouldn't work that way. Ahh yes. Excellent point. > Do the leg work

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-05-02 Thread Hauke Fath (SPG)
On 2024-05-02 11:44, Liam Proven wrote: This is not so much about the binaries about about the ABI for libc and other core libs. But I suspec this works better than you think, if one arranges for the other libs and deals with elf tags. You are missing my point. I am not asking "are they

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-05-02 Thread Jay Patel
https://archive.fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/bsd_driver_harmony/attachments/slides/5976/export/events/attachments/bsd_driver_harmony/slides/5976/BSD_Driver_Harmony_FOSDEM.pdf Talk from Last year  Yahoo Mail: Search, organise, conquer On Thu, 2 May 2024 at 3:14 pm, Liam Proven wrote: On

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-05-02 Thread Liam Proven
On Wed, 1 May 2024 at 12:31, Greg Troxel wrote: > > Liam Proven writes: > > > Step 1: a binary interoperability standard, so apps from any BSD can > > execute on any other BSD (on the same CPU architecture, obviously.) > > This is not so much about the binaries about about the ABI for libc and >

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-05-01 Thread Greg Troxel
Liam Proven writes: > Step 1: a binary interoperability standard, so apps from any BSD can > execute on any other BSD (on the same CPU architecture, obviously.) This is not so much about the binaries about about the ABI for libc and other core libs. But I suspec this works better than you

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-05-01 Thread Liam Proven
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 at 21:38, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > > Ciao Liam! *Waves* :-) > > There is actually, but it is never easy. I have seen good transfer > between NetBSD and OpenBSD in the years, including drivers and such. I wonder if there might be some way to formalise it, without stepping on

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-30 Thread Lucifer
OpenBSD is NetBSD Lite On Tue, Apr 30, 2024, 5:57 PM Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Ciao Liam! > > Liam Proven wrote: > > I really wish there were more technology sharing between the BSDs. > > There is actually, but it is never easy. I have seen good transfer > between NetBSD and OpenBSD in the

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-30 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Ciao Liam! Liam Proven wrote: I really wish there were more technology sharing between the BSDs. There is actually, but it is never easy. I have seen good transfer between NetBSD and OpenBSD in the years, including drivers and such. Dragonfly has the best installer, IMHO, but of course

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-19 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 10:01, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > > Hi Liam. Ciao! > Nice share and thanks for taking the time to write it. Oh, thank you! I really wish there were more technology sharing between the BSDs. In the last ~2 years, I have tried Net, Open, Free, Dragonfly, Ghost, Midnight,

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-19 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Liam. Liam Proven wrote: I thought this might interest folks here... Nice share and thanks for taking the time to write it. NetBSD 10 proves old tech can still kick apps and take names three decades later Proper old-school Unix, not like those lazy, decadent Linux types

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread adr
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Taylor R Campbell wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 15:53:27 + From: Taylor R Campbell To: adr Cc: netbsd-users@NetBSD.org, Liam Proven Subject: Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg Hi adr, Liam provided valuable feedback in both reviews

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread adr
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Jonathan A. Kollasch wrote: This all was uncalled for, and is not welcome in this community. If you think that encouraging someone that wrote this: https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/10/netbsd_93/ is ok, then I'm not interested in your opinion more that I'm in the

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread Taylor R Campbell
Hi adr, Liam provided valuable feedback in both reviews, and if anything we haven't put enough effort into smoothing out the rough edges Liam pointed out, like figuring out why command-line editing and PATH weren't set up right out of the box. There's always room for improvement, and our

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread Jonathan A. Kollasch
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 03:23:34PM +, adr wrote: > On Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Liam Proven wrote: ~ ~ > > Comments and feedback welcomed! > > [...]The last time we looked at NetBSD, we checked out version 9.3[...] > > I remember reading that and not understanding how the person who > wrote that

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread adr
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Liam Proven wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2024 12:00:32 +0100 From: Liam Proven To: Netbsd-Users-List Subject: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg I thought this might interest folks here... NetBSD 10 proves old tech can still kick apps and take names

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread Liam Proven
On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 14:21, Benny Siegert wrote: > > Wonderful article, thanks for sharing! :D Oh thank you! Thank you too for your help in inspiring it – and putting me in touch with Martin. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB:

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread Michael Huff
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 3:01 AM Liam Proven wrote: > I thought this might interest folks here... > > NetBSD 10 proves old tech can still kick apps and take names three decades > later > > Proper old-school Unix, not like those lazy, decadent Linux types > >

Re: Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread Benny Siegert
On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 1:01 PM Liam Proven wrote: > NetBSD 10 proves old tech can still kick apps and take names three decades > later > > Proper old-school Unix, not like those lazy, decadent Linux types > > https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/17/30yo_netbsd_releases_v10/ > > Comments and

Please forgive a blatant plug: I reviewed v10 for the Reg

2024-04-18 Thread Liam Proven
I thought this might interest folks here... NetBSD 10 proves old tech can still kick apps and take names three decades later Proper old-school Unix, not like those lazy, decadent Linux types https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/17/30yo_netbsd_releases_v10/ Comments and feedback welcomed! --