On Sat 29 Aug 2015 at 22:37:22 +0200, Havard Eidnes wrote:
> For those among us who rather fiercly wish to stick to the idea
> that the "rubout" key commonly found in the upper right area of
> the keyboard sends DEL, and who has many more machines than
> actively used desktops for logging in to tho
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 10:37:22PM +0200, Havard Eidnes wrote:
> When this was fixed^Wchanged in FreeBSD is rather immaterial for
> us, what matters is when this change was done in^W^Wfoisted on
> NetBSD.
Well, the first breakage occured when switching to terminfo. But
it didn't affect the ssh us
> j...@ziaspace.com (John Klos) writes:
>
>>Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I often ssh
>>from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and nothing has changed on that end
>>for ages. However, now on any NetBSD-7.0_RC2 system, the shell shows "^?"
>>whenever a backspace is ent
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Dave Huang wrote:
>On Aug 23, 2015, at 2:04, Michael van Elst wrote:
>
>Either sounds OK to me... I've removed the tset from my .login and
>things are working well for me now. ssh works fine, and serial console
>has erase ^? by default, which is correct for me. If FreeBSD removed
On Aug 23, 2015, at 2:04, Michael van Elst wrote:
>
> k...@azeotrope.org (Dave Huang) writes:
>> for network terminals (pretty much just ssh these
>> days, but IIRC this is the case for telnet too. Don't know about
>> rlogin), the client will send the appropriate character to the server.
>
>
g...@ir.bbn.com (Greg Troxel) writes:
>> An alternative would be to remove the kbs attribute from 'remote terminals'
>> in the terminfo database.
>Sorry, I didn't absorb your second note before replying. Either of
>those sounds fine, or perhaps both. It's pretty clear that knowing what
>a remot
g...@ir.bbn.com (Greg Troxel) writes:
>The fact that this tset change is provoking complaints is a testament to
>how well the propagation of local settings is working.
Only DEL was propagated in 4.4BSD.
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g...@ir.bbn.com (Greg Troxel) writes:
> when the erase character has been set via sshd, don't mess with it,
> because the remote side set it for a reason.
That's where you ask for magic. The erase character is always set
and tset configures it for the terminal also for a reason.
>A further is
mlel...@serpens.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> FreeBSD removed the tset call from login in 1995, replaced it first
> with a fixed 'stty erase ^H' and then dropped it altogether. I am
> not sure if that is the best approach, but it surely avoids the
> ssh-login problem.
>
> An alternative would b
mlel...@serpens.de (Michael van Elst) writes:
> When hitting the backarrow key ("backspace") on the Mac keyboard,
> it apparently sends a DEL character. The terminal on the Mac probably
> also defines the erase character as DEL.
The Mac Terminal.app (10.9) preferences has a "Delete sends Control
k...@azeotrope.org (Dave Huang) writes:
>On Aug 22, 2015, at 18:02, Michael van Elst wrote:
>> It depends on what keyboard you use, pckbd sends ^?, ukbd sends ^h.
>Doesn't that inconsistency cause problems then? E.g., if the terminfo
>entry for wsvt25 says that erase is ^H and tset sets it to t
On Aug 22, 2015, at 18:02, Michael van Elst wrote:
>
> k...@azeotrope.org (Dave Huang) writes:
>
>> Also, it seems that
>> wscons on NetBSD/i386 sends ^? for Backspace.
>
> It depends on what keyboard you use, pckbd sends ^?, ukbd sends ^h.
Doesn't that inconsistency cause problems then? E.g.
k...@azeotrope.org (Dave Huang) writes:
> Restore logic for setting the VERASE character.
> - use terminfo _unless_ the terminal does overstrike.
> - use terminfo data not only for an unset tty.
>Why "use terminfo" if the tty is already set?
The tty is almost always set to something.
k...@azeotrope.org (Dave Huang) writes:
>Also, it seems that
>wscons on NetBSD/i386 sends ^? for Backspace.
It depends on what keyboard you use, pckbd sends ^?, ukbd sends ^h.
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j...@ziaspace.com (John Klos) writes:
>Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I often ssh
>from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and nothing has changed on that end
>for ages. However, now on any NetBSD-7.0_RC2 system, the shell shows "^?"
>whenever a backspace is entered an
* Martin Husemann (mar...@duskware.de) wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 10:55:02PM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
> > I am relatively new to this list. (subscribed last month)
> > Once I did send-pr, after that I have no idea how to find it.
> > But I certainly sent on 3-Aug-2015.
>
> You shuol
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 10:55:02PM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
> I am relatively new to this list. (subscribed last month)
> Once I did send-pr, after that I have no idea how to find it.
> But I certainly sent on 3-Aug-2015.
You shuold get a reply back from gnats (usually within a few minute
* Martin Husemann (mar...@duskware.de) wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 08:43:57PM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
> > If you were more careful and followed this thread,
> > you would find that send-pr was done from me since 7.0_RC2.
>
> Which PR is it?
I am relatively new to this list. (subscri
On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 08:43:57PM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
> If you were more careful and followed this thread,
> you would find that send-pr was done from me since 7.0_RC2.
Which PR is it?
Martin
* Pongthep Kulkrisada (ptkris...@gmail.com) wrote:
> * Martin Husemann (mar...@duskware.de) wrote:
> > Please file a PR giving more details (like: what method you use to log
> > in, what terminal emulator you run, what shell you are using, output
> > of stty -a, your TERM environment settings,
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:11:08AM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
> * Pongthep Kulkrisada (ptkris...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > * John Klos (j...@ziaspace.com) wrote:
> > > Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I often ssh
> > > from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and nothing
* Dave Huang (k...@azeotrope.org) wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:51:24PM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
> > stty erase ^? doesn't work.
>
> Hmm, it works for me. What does "stty -a" show after you do "stty
> erase ^?" ?
Oops! sorry for my bad. I was doing something else. TGIF
stty erase ^?
On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:51:24PM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
> stty erase ^? doesn't work.
Hmm, it works for me. What does "stty -a" show after you do "stty
erase ^?" ?
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* Johnny Billquist (b...@update.uu.se) wrote:
> Either change your Mac to send a BS character, or configure your NetBSD
> system to do an erase when receiving a DEL.
>
> (stty erase ^?)
stty erase ^? doesn't work.
The only thing that works is adding these lines to /etc/rc.conf.
% grep wsconsctl
On 2015-08-20 22:00, Manuel Bouyer wrote:
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 09:40:49PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
[...]
Yes, stty erase ^? works, but it shouldn't be necessary.
I'm actually surprised, since most people nowadays seems to actually want
erase to be bound to BS, and I have found NetBSD
On 2015-08-20 21:59, Dave Huang wrote:
On 8/20/2015 14:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I would say that "stty erase ^H" is a suggestion on changing how
NetBSD reacts to an ASCII BS character...
Hmm, OK, I see what you mean... I wasn't thinking of it in that way (and
erase is already set to ^H, so
On Aug 20, 2015, at 14:25, Dave Huang wrote:
> The question is what changed between previous versions of NetBSD and 7.0 that
> caused the erase character to no longer be set to ^? when ssh-ing. IIRC,
> during the setup of an SSH connection, the client sends the server the
> various terminal con
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 09:40:49PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> [...]
> >Yes, stty erase ^? works, but it shouldn't be necessary.
>
> I'm actually surprised, since most people nowadays seems to actually want
> erase to be bound to BS, and I have found NetBSD to do that for me for the
> last 10
On 8/20/2015 14:40, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I would say that "stty erase ^H" is a suggestion on changing how
NetBSD reacts to an ASCII BS character...
Hmm, OK, I see what you mean... I wasn't thinking of it in that way (and
erase is already set to ^H, so it's not really a change :)
I'm actua
On 2015-08-20 21:25, Dave Huang wrote:
On 8/20/2015 13:15, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-08-20 19:11, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
* Pongthep Kulkrisada (ptkris...@gmail.com) wrote:
* John Klos (j...@ziaspace.com) wrote:
Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I
often ssh
On 8/20/2015 13:15, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I should probably point out that if the system is echoing ^? when you
press they key marked "delete", or "your problem is not in NetBSD, but on your Mac.
BTW, I should note that it's not just a Mac issue... the PuTTY ssh
client on Windows has a setti
On 8/20/2015 13:15, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-08-20 19:11, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
* Pongthep Kulkrisada (ptkris...@gmail.com) wrote:
* John Klos (j...@ziaspace.com) wrote:
Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I
often ssh
from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and
On 2015-08-20 19:11, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
* Pongthep Kulkrisada (ptkris...@gmail.com) wrote:
* John Klos (j...@ziaspace.com) wrote:
Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I often ssh
from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and nothing has changed on that end
for ages. Ho
* Pongthep Kulkrisada (ptkris...@gmail.com) wrote:
> * John Klos (j...@ziaspace.com) wrote:
> > Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I often ssh
> > from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and nothing has changed on that end
> > for ages. However, now on any NetBSD-7.0_RC2 sys
* Martin Husemann (mar...@duskware.de) wrote:
> Please file a PR giving more details (like: what method you use to log
> in, what terminal emulator you run, what shell you are using, output
> of stty -a, your TERM environment settings, )
send-pr with details done.
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On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 01:40:35AM +0700, Pongthep Kulkrisada wrote:
> I also encountered the same problem. I have also tried...
>
> stty erase ^H
> bindkey "\177" delete-char
>
> Nothing seems to work, this time I have to go back to 6.1_STABLE.
Please file a PR giving more details (like: what m
* John Klos (j...@ziaspace.com) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I often ssh
> from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and nothing has changed on that end
> for ages. However, now on any NetBSD-7.0_RC2 system, the shell shows "^?"
> whenever a backspace
John Klos writes:
> Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I often
> ssh from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and nothing has changed on
> that end for ages. However, now on any NetBSD-7.0_RC2 system, the
> shell shows "^?" whenever a backspace is entered and the terminal is
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:54:00AM +, John Klos wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap.
Probably this change:
usr.bin/tset/set.c 1.18
Restore logic for setting the VERASE character.
- use terminfo _unless_ th
Hi,
Sometime between RC1 and RC2, something happened to termcap. I often ssh
from a Mac (TERM is xterm-256color) and nothing has changed on that end
for ages. However, now on any NetBSD-7.0_RC2 system, the shell shows "^?"
whenever a backspace is entered and the terminal is not interactive. Al
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