Re: modern desktop update recommendations?
On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 8:17 AM MLH wrote: > > My ~10 yr old i3-based box needs to be updated. I can't compile > anything nontrivial without the box rebooting anymore. I am far > out of the loop on what NetBSD can run on these days. I have a > Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 that works very well and can use it and > I would like to go with ssd as my old hds are starting to fail. > My current motherboard is supposed to support (an early version > of) efi but I never could get it to work. I suspect it only booted > off of efi dvds and not hds. > > Huge numbers of choices these days but does anyone have recommendations > on moderately-priced options that work well with NetBSD? I've got a server that has existed since 1.4.2. I get all of this that you're talking about. I just slowly upgrade hardware over time, probably the same as you. It's a dual core Celeron with 8 gigs of memory at the moment. I've been using rsync and dump/restore to move to new disks. High quality SSDs are really cheap as long as you don't need a lot of space. Like $30-40 for a 500 gig? I accidentally "upgraded" from i386 to amd64 when I went to NetBSD-9. Even that went relatively smoothly. I'm looking hard at moving to something arm64 based. Maybe a pi4 or a Rock64 or something. NetBSD seems to run pretty well on these. I don't have specific advice unfortunately. Most everything I try just works. Andy
Re: modern desktop update recommendations?
On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 at 17:17, MLH wrote: > > My ~10 yr old i3-based box needs to be updated. I can't compile > anything nontrivial without the box rebooting anymore. I am far > out of the loop on what NetBSD can run on these days. I have a > Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 that works very well and can use it and > I would like to go with ssd as my old hds are starting to fail. > My current motherboard is supposed to support (an early version > of) efi but I never could get it to work. I suspect it only booted > off of efi dvds and not hds. > > Huge numbers of choices these days but does anyone have recommendations > on moderately-priced options that work well with NetBSD? Well I'm not running NetBSD on desktop but I did install 9.3 just now on my PC to test it: Ryzen 9 3900X - 12 cores, 24 threads 32GB RAM DDR4 NVME 1TB drive (WD Blue), NetBSD installed on USB3.0 connected SSD drive. Asus TUF B450 PRO GAMING mainboard And it works. I'm writing this from that system. I was able to compile devel/git from pkgsrc and play a YouTube video at the same time (audio works from Firefox). Due to low WiFi bandwidth on NetBSD (limited to 54Mbps) I couldn't play 4k content. UEFI booted. Dmesg attached. I only have problems with my GPU: Radon RX 6600, it's probably too new. In general I'd suggest looking into not-latest Ryzen systems. A Ryzen 7 or even 5 will give you a decent number of cores and threads. Anything SSD or NVME based will be fast. The latest ones have a new socket and pricey motherboards (and new, expensive DDR5 RAM). Great that you already have a supported GPU. -- Regards Bartek Krawczyk [ 1.000] Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, [ 1.00] 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, [ 1.00] 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 [ 1.00] The NetBSD Foundation, Inc. All rights reserved. [ 1.00] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 [ 1.00] The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. [ 1.00] NetBSD 9.3 (GENERIC) #0: Thu Aug 4 15:30:37 UTC 2022 [ 1.00] mkre...@mkrepro.netbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC [ 1.00] total memory = 32679 MB [ 1.00] avail memory = 31704 MB [ 1.00] cpu_rng: RDSEED [ 1.00] rnd: seeded with 256 bits [ 1.00] timecounter: Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec [ 1.00] Kernelized RAIDframe activated [ 1.00] running cgd selftest aes-xts-256 aes-xts-512 done [ 1.00] RTC BIOS diagnostic error 0xf [ 1.00] timecounter: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 100 [ 1.03] efi: systbl at pa cb96b018 [ 1.03] System manufacturer System Product Name (System Version) [ 1.03] mainbus0 (root) [ 1.03] ACPI: RSDP 0xCA653014 24 (v02 ALASKA) [ 1.03] ACPI: XSDT 0xCA652728 B4 (v01 ALASKA A M I 01072009 AMI 0113) [ 1.03] ACPI: FACP 0xCA64B000 000114 (v06 ALASKA A M I 01072009 AMI 00010013) [ 1.03] ACPI: DSDT 0xCA63F000 00B928 (v02 ALASKA A M I 01072009 INTL 20120913) [ 1.03] ACPI: FACS 0xCAD0F000 40 [ 1.03] ACPI: SSDT 0xCA651000 00092A (v02 AMDAmdTable 0002 MSFT 0400) [ 1.03] ACPI: SSDT 0xCA64D000 003CB6 (v02 AMDAMD AOD 0001 INTL 20120913) [ 1.03] ACPI: SSDT 0xCA64C000 000164 (v02 ALASKA CPUSSDT 01072009 AMI 01072009) [ 1.03] ACPI: FIDT 0xCA63E000 9C (v01 ALASKA A M I 01072009 AMI 00010013) [ 1.03] ACPI: FPDT 0xCA61A000 44 (v01 ALASKA A M I 01072009 AMI 0113) [ 1.03] ACPI: MCFG 0xCA63C000 3C (v01 ALASKA A M I 01072009 MSFT 00010013) [ 1.03] ACPI: HPET 0xCA63B000 38 (v01 ALASKA A M I 01072009 AMI 0005) [ 1.03] ACPI: IVRS 0xCA639000 D0 (v02 AMDAmdTable 0001 AMD 0001) [ 1.03] ACPI: VFCT 0xCA62D000 00B284 (v01 ALASKA A M I 0001 AMD 31504F47) [ 1.03] ACPI: TPM2 0xCA62C000 4C (v03 ALASKA A M I 0001 AMI ) [ 1.03] ACPI: PCCT 0xCA62B000 6E (v02 AMDAmdTable 0001 AMD 0001) [ 1.03] ACPI: SSDT 0xCA624000 00603B (v02 AMDAmdTable 0001 AMD 0001) [ 1.03] ACPI: CRAT 0xCA622000 0016D0 (v01 AMDAmdTable 0001 AMD 0001) [ 1.03] ACPI: CDIT 0xCA621000 29 (v01 AMDAmdTable 0001 AMD 0001) [ 1.03] ACPI: SSDT 0xCA61D000 0037DC (v02 AMDMYRTLE 0001 INTL 20120913) [ 1.03] ACPI: SSDT 0xCA61C000 BF (v01 AMDAmdTable 1000 INTL 20120913) [ 1.03] ACPI: APIC 0xCA61B000 00015E (v04 ALASKA A M I 01072009 AMI 00010013) [ 1.03] ACPI: 7 ACPI AML tables successfully acquired
Re: modern desktop update recommendations?
bea...@sdf.org wrote: > m...@goathill.org (MLH) wrote: > > > My ~10 yr old i3-based box needs to be updated. I can't compile > > anything nontrivial without the box rebooting anymore. > > I think your system should be able to build most packages just fine > though something like Gnome might take a while. Some packages, > ie. those with lots of fonts, may run out of RAM; this can be > addressed by adding a swap file (see online documentation for how > to do this). I regularly build packages on an old 32 bit box with > 2GB RAM usually without issue -- once I addressed an ACPI/powerd(8) > quirk (see below) that would cause sudden system shutdowns during > even moderate loads. > > If the rebooting is occuring during package building you may want > to check if it's being triggered by ACPI/powerd(8) receiving faulty > core temp values which eith the default powerd script initiates a > system shutdown. You should see something in the logs relating to > this if this is the situation. You can also monitor things during > a build using envstat(8) to see if something like a temp of "255" > gets reported (the case on my system). > > The script of interest: > > /etc/powerd/scripts/sensor_temperature > > You can either comment out the "shutdown -p.." lines of simply > rename the script to something powerd(8) won't see. Thanks. I hve been using NetBSD since v 1.2 was first released and have been building complete NetBSD sets and pkgsrc repositories for banks of computers for over 15 yrs, though I am retired now and only need it for this one box. None of the normal reasons seem to be the problem. I suspect the motherboard is dying. Capacitors are the typical reason. Appears that sustained i/o (such as during compiling) is triggering the reboots but don't see anything repeatable in them. Time for new hardware.
Re: modern desktop update recommendations?
m...@goathill.org (MLH) wrote: > My ~10 yr old i3-based box needs to be updated. I can't compile > anything nontrivial without the box rebooting anymore. I think your system should be able to build most packages just fine though something like Gnome might take a while. Some packages, ie. those with lots of fonts, may run out of RAM; this can be addressed by adding a swap file (see online documentation for how to do this). I regularly build packages on an old 32 bit box with 2GB RAM usually without issue -- once I addressed an ACPI/powerd(8) quirk (see below) that would cause sudden system shutdowns during even moderate loads. If the rebooting is occuring during package building you may want to check if it's being triggered by ACPI/powerd(8) receiving faulty core temp values which eith the default powerd script initiates a system shutdown. You should see something in the logs relating to this if this is the situation. You can also monitor things during a build using envstat(8) to see if something like a temp of "255" gets reported (the case on my system). The script of interest: /etc/powerd/scripts/sensor_temperature You can either comment out the "shutdown -p.." lines of simply rename the script to something powerd(8) won't see. -J
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modern desktop update recommendations?
My ~10 yr old i3-based box needs to be updated. I can't compile anything nontrivial without the box rebooting anymore. I am far out of the loop on what NetBSD can run on these days. I have a Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 that works very well and can use it and I would like to go with ssd as my old hds are starting to fail. My current motherboard is supposed to support (an early version of) efi but I never could get it to work. I suspect it only booted off of efi dvds and not hds. Huge numbers of choices these days but does anyone have recommendations on moderately-priced options that work well with NetBSD? Thanks!
