Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Cág]

Maya wrote:

>> Modular xorg in pkgsrc includes twm but not ctwm as far as I know,
>> so I don't get ctwm.  I have no /usr/X11R7 or /usr/X11R6 directory.
> 
> because ctwm is an independent package. it's wm/ctwm.

https://github.com/NetBSD/xsrc/tree/trunk/external/mit/ctwm/dist

There's also vtwm that I prefer to ctwm. It has Xft support and one big
desktop instead of workspaces/tags/groups/etc. It is not present in
xsrc, only in wm/vtwm.

--
caóc

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Thomas Mueller]

> On Sun 09 Sep 2018 at 02:20:32 +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> > I just looked on NetBSD installation, no ctwm.

> It is new for 8.0 I believe:

> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  40 Jul 17 16:59 /usr/X11R7/bin/ctwm*

> > I also don't think there is any ctwm in haikuports, couldn't find it.
> > Haiku (www.haiku-os.org) is an open-source successor to BeOS.

> That I know. I wrote the original BeOS GUI for Vim and that is still
> used in haikuports. But I would not expect ctwm (or any other window
> manager) in haikuports, since Haiku has a fine window-manager-equivalent
> of its own. (Although I looked at Haiku recently and it seems you can
> replace the window decorator)

> (oh, last time I replied to you, your mail address bounced)

-Olaf.  

I forgot to change that old email address (mueller6...@bellsouth.net) 
previously.  Yahoo, including bellsouth.net, blocks messages that appear to be 
forwarded from Yahoo servers: overaggressive spam filter.  But your domain 
appears to be falu.nl .

Modular xorg in pkgsrc includes twm but not ctwm as far as I know, so I don't 
get ctwm.  I have no /usr/X11R7 or /usr/X11R6 directory.

I see Haiku has some stuff for kde and gnome but no X window managers, since 
Haiku has its own.

Tom

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Thomas Mueller]

> On Sun 09 Sep 2018 at 02:20:32 +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> > I just looked on NetBSD installation, no ctwm.

> It is new for 8.0 I believe:

> -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  40 Jul 17 16:59 /usr/X11R7/bin/ctwm*

> > I also don't think there is any ctwm in haikuports, couldn't find it.
> > Haiku (www.haiku-os.org) is an open-source successor to BeOS.

> That I know. I wrote the original BeOS GUI for Vim and that is still
> used in haikuports. But I would not expect ctwm (or any other window
> manager) in haikuports, since Haiku has a fine window-manager-equivalent
> of its own. (Although I looked at Haiku recently and it seems you can
> replace the window decorator)

> (oh, last time I replied to you, your mail address bounced)

-Olaf.  

I forgot to change that old email address (mueller6...@bellsouth.net) 
previously.  Yahoo, including bellsouth.net, blocks messages that appear to be 
forwarded from Yahoo servers: overaggressive spam filter.  But your domain 
appears to be falu.nl .

Modular xorg in pkgsrc includes twm but not ctwm as far as I know, so I don't 
get ctwm.  I have no /usr/X11R7 or /usr/X11R6 directory.

I see Haiku has some stuff for kde and gnome but no X window managers, since 
Haiku has its own.

Tom

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Benny Siegert wrote in :
 |On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 5:17 PM Steffen Nurpmeso  \
 |wrote:
 |>
 |> Nothing to continue in my eyes; you can always have more and
 |> iterate over the code of course.  No drag'n drop, of course.  But
 |> copy, that is enough for me.  It used to use GNU autoconf;
 |> i have patches and last i compiled it (a few months ago) it
 |> compiled smoothly (with default CC flags).  I can give you the
 |> patch if you want, just ask.
 |
 |Might be worth throwing the code with your patches onto github and
 |become the new upstream. Then we can also add it to pkgsrc.

Well Alex Hioreanu is himself on github now (hioreanu), and offers
ahwm in a slightly adjusted version.  He offered me maintainership
once i wanted to create an OpenBSD package for ahwm (must have
been 2011, then), but i am no way classified for being the
"upstream" of a X11 window manager.

Nonetheless i have spent some time to get the thing done with -W
-Wall -pedantic -O2 with gcc(1) 6.4.0, and applied some more fixes
that i seem to have applied manually whenever i compiled it in the
last six years, but which did not happen all too often.  It is
browsable [1] and cloneable[2] at my VM (for) now.  It would
benefit from some love, as can be seen from looking at the code,
but luckily i have never done that for real.  So if you want to
test it, a snapshot of the master branch[3] should be usable.

  [1] https://git.sdaoden.eu/cgit/ahwm.git
  [2] https://git.sdaoden.eu/scm/ahwm.git
  [3] https://git.sdaoden.eu/cgit/ahwm.git/snapshot/ahwm-master.tar.xz

I can even append a shortened version of my ~/.ahwmrc to make it
even easier.
Ciao.

# ~/.ahwmrc
# ...
# CapsLock, ScrollLock, etc. are ignored when reading keystrokes.
BindKey "Control | Alt | Shift | t" Launch("$_TSMALL");
BindKey "Control | Alt | Shift | b" Launch("HOME=$HOME/traffic; opera 
/dev/null 2>&1");

BindKey "Control | Alt | Escape" KillNicely();

# While moving or resizing, you can use the arrow keys and the keys w,
# a, s, d.  Use Shift with one of those keys to move to an edge or
# resize in larger increments.  Hit Enter to accept the move/resize,
# hit Escape to cancel it, hit Control to toggle between a move and a
# resize, and hit Space during a resize to constrain the direction.
BindKey "Control | Alt | Shift | m" MoveInteractively();
BindKey "Control | Alt | Shift | r" ResizeInteractively();

# Sun X server doesn't grok this key combination, throws me off
BindKey "Control | Alt | BackSpace" Quit();
BindKey "Control | Alt | Shift | q" Quit();
BindKey "Control | Alt | Shift | r" Restart();

BindKey "Alt | Tab" CycleNext();
BindKey "Alt | Shift | Tab" CyclePrevious();

BindKey "Shift | Alt | F4" SendToWorkspace(4);
BindKey "Shift | Alt | F3" SendToWorkspace(3);
BindKey "Shift | Alt | F2" SendToWorkspace(2);
BindKey "Shift | Alt | F1" SendToWorkspace(1);

# Binding to button clicks is similar to binding to keys, but you have
# to specify the location for the click.  The location is one of
# "Titlebar" or "Frame".  You can use the same modifiers as
# with BindKey and the buttons are Button1 through Button5:
# Button1 = left button, Button2 = middle button, Button3 = right
# button, Button4 = wheel up, Button5 = wheel down
BindButton Titlebar "Button3" Maximize();

BindDrag Frame "Alt | Button1" MoveInteractively();
BindDrag Titlebar "Alt | Button1" MoveInteractively();
BindDrag Frame "Alt | Button3" ResizeInteractively();
BindDrag Titlebar "Alt | Button3" ResizeInteractively();

# Sometimes you may want to bind more than one function
# to the same action.  To do this, you need to define
# your own function and use the "Invoke()" function.
# Here's an example:
Define "Focus-and-Move" {
   Focus();
   MoveInteractively();
}
BindDrag Titlebar "Button1" Invoke("Focus-and-Move");

Define "f1" {
   GotoWorkspace(1);
}
BindKey "Alt | F1" Invoke("f1");
Define "f2" {
   GotoWorkspace(2);
}
BindKey "Alt | F2" Invoke("f2");
Define "f3" {
   GotoWorkspace(3);
}
BindKey "Alt | F3" Invoke("f3");
Define "f4" {
   GotoWorkspace(4);
}
BindKey "Alt | F4" Invoke("f4");

DisplayTitlebar = True;
FocusPolicy = ClickToFocus; #SloppyFocus;
RaiseDelay = 750;
PassFocusClick = True;
TitlePosition = DisplayLeft;
KeepTransientsOnTop = True;
TitlebarFont = "-*-helvetica-*-r-*-*-9-*-*-*-*-*-*-*";
NumberOfWorkspaces = 4;

ColorTitlebarText = "#D8D8D8";
ColorTitlebarTextFocused = "#E0E0E0";
InWorkspace 1 {
   ColorTitlebar = "#282828";
   ColorTitlebarFocused = "#404040";
}
InWorkspace 2 {
   ColorTitlebar = "#193939";
   ColorTitlebarFocused = "#2F4F4F";
}
InWorkspace 3 {
   ColorTitlebar = "#49";
   ColorTitlebarFocused = "#64";
}
InWorkspace 4 {
   ColorTitlebar = "#49";
   ColorTitlebarFocused = "#64";
}

IsShaped True {
   DisplayTitlebar = False;
}
WindowName "clock" {
   #DisplayTitlebar = False; /* not needed, above applies */
   #FocusPolicy = DontFocus;
   #PassFocusClick = True;
   Omnipresent = True;
   #AlwaysOnBottom = True;
   AlwaysOnTop = True;
}
WindowName "Ed" {
  

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Benny Siegert]

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 5:17 PM Steffen Nurpmeso  wrote:
>
> Nothing to continue in my eyes; you can always have more and
> iterate over the code of course.  No drag'n drop, of course.  But
> copy, that is enough for me.  It used to use GNU autoconf;
> i have patches and last i compiled it (a few months ago) it
> compiled smoothly (with default CC flags).  I can give you the
> patch if you want, just ask.

Might be worth throwing the code with your patches onto github and
become the new upstream. Then we can also add it to pkgsrc.

-- 
Benny

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Thomas Mueller wrote in <20180909071938.644bfa7...@mail.duskware.de>:
  ..
 |I didn't know about i3-gaps but now see it in FreeBSD ports but not pkgsrc.

Thing is also, you seem to have super-duper boxes whereas i am
happy to have tinyc in order to develop my little MUA and not more
than that until now, unfortunately.  I cannot quickly generate
a new XY port for port system YZ and get it going, with all the ML
stuff that is involved there.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter   he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Thomas Mueller wrote in <20180908132956.6a9dea7...@mail.duskware.de>:
 |from Pedro Pinho:
 |
 |> Here's a complete list of WM's for *nix systems
 |> https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html
 | 
 |> What exactly do you mean with " I tried awesome some years ago, but the
 |> "awesome" decoration/artwork just got in the way and confused me"?
 |> Don't take me wrong, I would just like to know what was so confusing.
 |> Awesome user here ;-)
 |
 |I looked through that list of WMs web page, found i3 but not i3w.
 |
 |Steffen Nurpmeso's preferred ahwm was listed as discontinued; is also \
 |not in FreeBSD ports (category x11-wm).  So I might not be able to \
 |try it even if I wanted.

Nothing to continue in my eyes; you can always have more and
iterate over the code of course.  No drag'n drop, of course.  But
copy, that is enough for me.  It used to use GNU autoconf;
i have patches and last i compiled it (a few months ago) it
compiled smoothly (with default CC flags).  I can give you the
patch if you want, just ask.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter   he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Patrick Welche]

On Thu, Sep 06, 2018 at 05:01:41PM +0100, Patrick Welche wrote:
> Not as fun as I had hoped! It has been a while since the last round, and I
> wondered, given an ideal world with infinite developer time and full
> documentation, with just an eye on correctness, what current views were on:
> 
> * wayland vs X: what would The Right compositor look like?
> 
> * What would the notion of a "seat" in a
> 
> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/
> 
>   sense look like in NetBSD?
> 
> * ioctl vs sysctl:
>   GTK4 -> Vulkan(!) -> Mesa 18.1 -> kern/51786 how to pass info to drm

The answer to the last question is "neither!" according to yesterday's
commit from Taylor - thanks!

Any thoughts on the other two?

Cheers,

Patrick

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Thomas Mueller]

> On Sat 08 Sep 2018 at 07:25:17 +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> > I like substance as opposed to hot air, hence would stay away from 
> > something like Enlightenment (seemed poorly documented, at least in the 
> > time of NetBSD 7.99.1.

> Try ctwm. An older version is already installed with NetBSD. In (very
> very very) short, it is twm + workspaces + lots of other stuff.
> I like the "tabbed" window titles (config option SqueezeTitle) and
> dragging them along the top of the window (with Alt + mouse button 1) so
> you can put several windows on top of each other and still easily access
> them. Idea is originally from BeOS :)

> I just sent a pr to update the version in pkgsrc to 4.0.2 (the latest)
> from 4.0.1. 

-Olaf.  

___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  -- Wayland: Those who don't understand X

I remember seeing ctwm listed, but didn't know about ctwm being installed with 
NetBSD.

I knew twm was installed with NetBSD native X or modular xorg, also with xorg 
from FreeBSD ports.

I just looked on NetBSD installation, no ctwm.  I also don't think there is any 
ctwm in haikuports, couldn't find it.

Haiku (www.haiku-os.org) is an open-source successor to BeOS.

> If you're looking for something that stays out of your way and has various  
> types of window-maximization available, though not a tiling wm, windowmaker
> may be worth a try.

> Bruce

> nage...@freeshell.org

I got the impression that windowmaker was poorly set up with menu options 
pointing to nonexistent packages or resources.  Or maybe Linux Slackware set it 
up poorly.  Last Slackware I had was 13.0.  Slackware's specialties regarding 
window managers or desktop environments were KDE and XFCE.

from Pedro Pinho:

> Thanks for the answer.
> I see Enlightment as a DE and not just a WM. Awesome, on the other hand is
> a WM with a bar and I'm very happy running awesome :-)

> As for i3, there's i3, https://i3wm.org/
> and i3-gaps, https://github.com/Airblader/i3

> There are plenty of tiling WM's.

I didn't know about i3-gaps but now see it in FreeBSD ports but not pkgsrc.

Tom

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Bruce Nagel]

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018, Thomas Mueller wrote:


Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 07:25:17 +
From: Thomas Mueller 
To: netbsd-users@netbsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org
Subject: Re: Recommended desktop environment?



from Pedro Pinho:



Here's a complete list of WM's for *nix systems
https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html



What exactly do you mean with " I tried awesome some years ago, but the
"awesome" decoration/artwork just got in the way and confused me"?
Don't take me wrong, I would just like to know what was so confusing.
Awesome user here ;-)



I looked through that list of WMs web page, found i3 but not i3w.



Steffen Nurpmeso's preferred ahwm was listed as discontinued; is also not in 
FreeBSD ports (category x11-wm).  So I might not be able to try it even if I 
wanted.



When I tried awesome, it was on version 3.5 (approximately).  I believe the 
website was awesome.naquadah.org .  I couldn't separate the substance from the 
glamour.



I like substance as opposed to hot air, hence would stay away from something 
like Enlightenment (seemed poorly documented, at least in the time of NetBSD 
7.99.1.



When I had NetBSD 7.99.1 installed (and still do thanks to GPT even if I hardly 
ever use this outdated version), I was apparently in pkgsrc directory instead 
of proper package directory when I updated packages.  System just tried to 
update everything in sight, and I got unexpected package installations 
including Enlightenment, but this accidentally installed Enlightenment crashed 
the system every time I tried to start it.



Interest in ratpoison is because of the desire to see what I can do with no 
extras, even if I wouldn't use ratpoison all the time.


If you're looking for something that stays out of your way and has various 
types of window-maximization available, though not a tiling wm, 
windowmaker may be worth a try.


Bruce
--
nage...@freeshell.org

If she has a med-tech's ticket, Slick thought, the med-tech probably 
hasn't noticed it's missing yet.

(William Gibson)

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Pedro Pinho]

Thanks for the answer.
I see Enlightment as a DE and not just a WM. Awesome, on the other hand is
a WM with a bar and I'm very happy running awesome :-)

As for i3, there's i3, https://i3wm.org/
and i3-gaps, https://github.com/Airblader/i3

There are plenty of tiling WM's.



Den lör 8 sep. 2018 15:30Thomas Mueller  skrev:

>
> from Pedro Pinho:
>
> > Here's a complete list of WM's for *nix systems
> > https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html
>
> > What exactly do you mean with " I tried awesome some years ago, but the
> > "awesome" decoration/artwork just got in the way and confused me"?
> > Don't take me wrong, I would just like to know what was so confusing.
> > Awesome user here ;-)
>
> I looked through that list of WMs web page, found i3 but not i3w.
>
> Steffen Nurpmeso's preferred ahwm was listed as discontinued; is also not
> in FreeBSD ports (category x11-wm).  So I might not be able to try it even
> if I wanted.
>
> When I tried awesome, it was on version 3.5 (approximately).  I believe
> the website was awesome.naquadah.org .  I couldn't separate the substance
> from the glamour.
>
> I like substance as opposed to hot air, hence would stay away from
> something like Enlightenment (seemed poorly documented, at least in the
> time of NetBSD 7.99.1.
>
> When I had NetBSD 7.99.1 installed (and still do thanks to GPT even if I
> hardly ever use this outdated version), I was apparently in pkgsrc
> directory instead of proper package directory when I updated packages.
> System just tried to update everything in sight, and I got unexpected
> package installations including Enlightenment, but this accidentally
> installed Enlightenment crashed the system every time I tried to start it

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Rhialto]

On Sat 08 Sep 2018 at 07:25:17 +, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> I like substance as opposed to hot air, hence would stay away from something 
> like Enlightenment (seemed poorly documented, at least in the time of NetBSD 
> 7.99.1.

Try ctwm. An older version is already installed with NetBSD. In (very
very very) short, it is twm + workspaces + lots of other stuff.
I like the "tabbed" window titles (config option SqueezeTitle) and
dragging them along the top of the window (with Alt + mouse button 1) so
you can put several windows on top of each other and still easily access
them. Idea is originally from BeOS :)

I just sent a pr to update the version in pkgsrc to 4.0.2 (the latest)
from 4.0.1.

-Olaf.
-- 
___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert  -- Wayland: Those who don't understand X
\X/ rhialto/at/falu.nl  -- are condemned to reinvent it. Poorly.


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Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Thomas Mueller]

from Pedro Pinho:

> Here's a complete list of WM's for *nix systems
> https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html
 
> What exactly do you mean with " I tried awesome some years ago, but the
> "awesome" decoration/artwork just got in the way and confused me"?
> Don't take me wrong, I would just like to know what was so confusing.
> Awesome user here ;-)

I looked through that list of WMs web page, found i3 but not i3w.

Steffen Nurpmeso's preferred ahwm was listed as discontinued; is also not in 
FreeBSD ports (category x11-wm).  So I might not be able to try it even if I 
wanted.

When I tried awesome, it was on version 3.5 (approximately).  I believe the 
website was awesome.naquadah.org .  I couldn't separate the substance from the 
glamour.

I like substance as opposed to hot air, hence would stay away from something 
like Enlightenment (seemed poorly documented, at least in the time of NetBSD 
7.99.1.

When I had NetBSD 7.99.1 installed (and still do thanks to GPT even if I hardly 
ever use this outdated version), I was apparently in pkgsrc directory instead 
of proper package directory when I updated packages.  System just tried to 
update everything in sight, and I got unexpected package installations 
including Enlightenment, but this accidentally installed Enlightenment crashed 
the system every time I tried to start it.

Interest in ratpoison is because of the desire to see what I can do with no 
extras, even if I wouldn't use ratpoison all the time.

Tom

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Patrick Welche]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 07:38:17AM -0700, Andy Ruhl wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:09 AM Wean Irdeh  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop environment 
> > for NetBSD?
> 
> This should be fun.

Not as fun as I had hoped! It has been a while since the last round, and I
wondered, given an ideal world with infinite developer time and full
documentation, with just an eye on correctness, what current views were on:

* wayland vs X: what would The Right compositor look like?

* What would the notion of a "seat" in a

https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/multiseat/

  sense look like in NetBSD?

* ioctl vs sysctl:
  GTK4 -> Vulkan(!) -> Mesa 18.1 -> kern/51786 how to pass info to drm


Cheers,

Patrick

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Steffen Nurpmeso]

Pedro Pinho wrote in :
 |Here's a complete list of WM's for *nix systems [1]https://www.gilesorr.\
 |com/wm/table.html[/1]
 |
 |  [1] https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html

ahwm, only ahwm, since 2002.  The original v0.9.0 ball with some
compiler fixes on top, not the github stuff.  The "as close to
perfect" i can agree with, totally!  icewm only as last resort
unless i find time to set myself up.

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter   he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Diogo Galvao]

Em qua, 5 de set de 2018 às 19:04, xpetrl  escreveu:
>
> I used xfce for years and I spend lot of time just rearranging window
> with the mouse pointer, positioning for example a Firefox window next to
> xterm terminals. I was getting mad!
>

Hi.

I'm not sure it has always been a feature or if it got added recently,
but Xfce supports some nice keyboard shortcuts for window positioning:

- tile window to the top, bottom, left, or right half of the screen;
- tile window to the top-left, top-right, bottom-left or bottom-right
corners, so 1/4 of the screen;
- maximize window horizontally or vertically;
- fill window horizontally, vertically or completely, so that it takes
all the space up to another window.

This is by no means as convenient as i3w if you already use tiling
window managers, but it sure is useful to get the screen organized for
those still using traditional floating windows as in Xfce, like
myself.

Best regards.

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Pedro Pinho]

Here's a complete list of WM's for *nix systems
https://www.gilesorr.com/wm/table.html

What exactly do you mean with " I tried awesome some years ago, but the
"awesome" decoration/artwork just got in the way and confused me"?
Don't take me wrong, I would just like to know what was so confusing.
Awesome user here ;-)

Den tors 6 sep. 2018 kl 12:05 skrev Thomas Mueller <
mueller6...@bellsouth.net>:

>
> > On 05.09.2018 12:04, Wean Irdeh wrote:
> > > Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop
> environment
> > > for NetBSD?
>
> > I used xfce for years and I spend lot of time just rearranging window
> with the
> > mouse pointer, positioning for example a Firefox window next to xterm
> > terminals. I was getting mad!
>
> > For 2 weeks I switched to i3w, a tilling wm. I fount it intuitive and I
> don't
> > care anymore to window positioning.
>
> > just my 2 cents
>
> > xpetrl.
>
> What is i3w?  I couldn't find i3w in pkgsrc/wm or (FreBSD) ports/x11-wm.
> Do you mean i3?
>
> I tried i3, didn't get past the devious, confusing documentation, might
> have if I had stuck with it more.  Special keys, such as Alt, were
> deviously named in the documentation.
>
> I want to try ratpoison and jwm.  Now I am in icewm 1.3.8, which I use in
> both NetBSD and FreeBSD.
>
> I never got far with GNOME or with KDE 4.x.
>
> I tried awesome some years ago, but the "awesome" decoration/artwork just
> got in the way and confused me.
>
> Tom
>
>

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Thomas Mueller]

> On 05.09.2018 12:04, Wean Irdeh wrote:
> > Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop environment
> > for NetBSD?

> I used xfce for years and I spend lot of time just rearranging window with the
> mouse pointer, positioning for example a Firefox window next to xterm
> terminals. I was getting mad!

> For 2 weeks I switched to i3w, a tilling wm. I fount it intuitive and I don't
> care anymore to window positioning. 

> just my 2 cents

> xpetrl. 

What is i3w?  I couldn't find i3w in pkgsrc/wm or (FreBSD) ports/x11-wm.  Do 
you mean i3?

I tried i3, didn't get past the devious, confusing documentation, might have if 
I had stuck with it more.  Special keys, such as Alt, were deviously named in 
the documentation.

I want to try ratpoison and jwm.  Now I am in icewm 1.3.8, which I use in both 
NetBSD and FreeBSD.

I never got far with GNOME or with KDE 4.x.

I tried awesome some years ago, but the "awesome" decoration/artwork just got 
in the way and confused me.

Tom

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Martin Cermak]

On  Wed  2018-09-05  17:04 , Wean Irdeh wrote:
> Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop environment for
> NetBSD?

The best wm ever is fvwm2.

/me hides ;)
Martin

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Jay Patel]

Hi,

Depending on your needs. for Window manager you can go with either CWM, i3,
AwesomeWM
for complete desktop feel : XFCE4 so far better support , Cinnamon is in
WIP ( you can help test)



On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:39 PM Wean Irdeh  wrote:

> Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop environment
> for NetBSD?



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Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[xpetrl]

On 05.09.2018 12:04, Wean Irdeh wrote:
Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop 
environment for NetBSD?


I used xfce for years and I spend lot of time just rearranging window 
with the mouse pointer, positioning for example a Firefox window next to 
xterm terminals. I was getting mad!


For 2 weeks I switched to i3w, a tilling wm. I fount it intuitive and I 
don't care anymore to window positioning.


just my 2 cents

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Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Sad Clouds]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:31:00 +0200
Martin Husemann  wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 04:28:11PM +0100, Sad Clouds wrote:
> > Which hardware platform? If it's x86 then anything you can find in
> > pkgsrc will probably work. I tend to use xfce on x86, but on
> > sparc64 it had issues, so I used simple window manager like
> > windowmaker.
> 
> FWIW, I am typing this on a sparc64 machine using XFce4 4.10
> (and yes, it had a few issues in the past but they should be resolved
> now).
> 
> Martin

Sounds good, I'll give it another go at some point.

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Mayuresh]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 05:04:08PM +0700, Wean Irdeh wrote:
>Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop environment
>for NetBSD?

What do you mean by "for NetBSD"? I do not think (barring availability) OS
has any bearing on choice of wm.

"recommendation" is difficult. It's quite subjective.

Personally I prefer ratpoison - irrespective of OS.  Main reason is to get
full screen applications free of pop up menace (with a certain rudeness
setting).

Mayuresh

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Martin Husemann]

On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 04:28:11PM +0100, Sad Clouds wrote:
> Which hardware platform? If it's x86 then anything you can find in
> pkgsrc will probably work. I tend to use xfce on x86, but on sparc64 it
> had issues, so I used simple window manager like windowmaker.

FWIW, I am typing this on a sparc64 machine using XFce4 4.10
(and yes, it had a few issues in the past but they should be resolved now).

Martin

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Sad Clouds]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 17:04:08 +0700
Wean Irdeh  wrote:

> Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop
> environment for NetBSD?

Which hardware platform? If it's x86 then anything you can find in
pkgsrc will probably work. I tend to use xfce on x86, but on sparc64 it
had issues, so I used simple window manager like windowmaker. Not used
Gnome and Kde for years, from what I remember they were just awful and
bloated.

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Andy Ruhl]

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 3:09 AM Wean Irdeh  wrote:
>
> Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop environment for 
> NetBSD?

This should be fun. I'm way behind the times in this area. Way back in
the early 2000s or so I was using KDE3 on NetBSD quite happily. I
haven't used a desktop a whole lot since then for the usual boring
reasons.

I use blackbox if I need to use a desktop on any of the BSDs but it's
not got a lot of features. It works fine though.

Andy

Re: Recommended desktop environment?

[Pedro Pinho]

Recomended, I don't know. Most probably you are going to get quite a lot of
different answers here.
But,...
Personally, I only run awesome wm on my systems. Started using it a couple
of years ago and can not think about using something else.
If you're curious about it check my screenshots on
https://unitedbsd.com/t/what-does-your-bsd-look-like-screen-shots/109/9
Regards

Den ons 5 sep. 2018 12:09Wean Irdeh  skrev:

> Hi all mailing list members! What is your recommended desktop environment
> for NetBSD?