if there's a simple way to switch off the view in NLW from the code,
we'd love to know.
Unfortunately, no, there's no simple way to do that in NLW yet.
Also, if you can think of a more standard way of doing stacked bar
charts in NetLogo Desktop (ideally compatible with NLW), we'd love to
hear about it. I cannot think of a simpler way to implement them.
Ah, maybe I should have been clearer. I didn't mean to suggest that you
had implemented the "stacked columns" thing incorrectly. To my
knowledge, your implementation is the best that can be done in desktop
NetLogo. Rather, the idea was that desktop NetLogo makes you jump
through hoops in order to accomplish some things when plotting, and I've
chosen a plotting solution for NetLogo Web that should eventually allow
us to easily provide a more diverse range of plots, with far less
hoop-jumping, but at the cost of not reproducing all of NetLogo's
hoop-jumping abilities.
We keep on seeing silly-looking inputs in the current netlogoweb.org,
though (for instance, in the same model that was causing the issues
with the wrapping color arguments).
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. The display problem was
properly fixed, but there was an issue where not everyone was receiving
the latest version of the page. That latter issue has now been
resolved, and you should no longer see tall Input widgets looking
ridiculous.
On 09/12/2016 02:41 PM, Luis R. Izquierdo wrote:
Dear Jason,
Thank you so much for your answers and work. We really appreciate it.
I comment on each of your points below:
With #1 (`read-from-string` support), it's not hugely far off from
being implemented, but it's also not hugely close. It's definitely
something that's on my radar and that I have made a lot of
progress on, but I would guess that it's *at least* one month
away, probably a bit more than that.
That's great, we can certainly wait.
Regarding #2 (`no-display`), yeah, that one's a long ways off.
`display` and its ilk are a huge pain to implement correctly in
the browser. We want to implement them, but it's going to be a
bit. With primitives like `display`, I find that the they can
usually be worked around with the stuff in NLW that currently
functions, but I'd need to see the model in order to say for sure,
one way or another.
We actually use no-display only to make the model run faster without
having to tell the user to turn off the switch in view control (we
don't use the view at all in many of our models). It's not big deal,
but if there's a simple way to switch off the view in NLW from the
code, we'd love to know.
With #3 (the stacked bar charts), I don't plan to make your
current code for that compatible with the plotting functionality
in NetLogo Web. While having stacked bar charts is an undeniably
useful thing, your version of them in NetLogo is achieved by doing
some very non-standard stuff in desktop NetLogo, which the
plotting library we're using in NLW doesn't understand. However,
that library /does/ know how to handle /proper/ stacked bar charts
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.highcharts.com_demo_column-2Dstacked-2Dpercent&d=CwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=sxGjFFyk2A6rYHwAdDtnqeTKj3cEcXDGDo_G9va2ruI&m=Ib4C0J04Tq9WmBv4zUZgEPsJsODfM3WSL7cct3guGIE&s=nXqY1KC9Oyl6X04skXvKbYC_Y7q_gspqjHmpozKTw_4&e=>,
so we could talk at some point about how we modify your web-based
models to tap into the proper functionality instead.
That would be awesome (or if you want to point us to an example -so we
don't waste your time-, that's also perfect). Also, if you can think
of a more standard way of doing stacked bar charts in NetLogo Desktop
(ideally compatible with NLW), we'd love to hear about it. I cannot
think of a simpler way to implement them.
Regarding the bug reported in #5, that was because `extract-rgb`,
`extract-hsb`, `scale-color`, and `shade-of?` weren't wrapping
their color arguments to keep them within [0, 140), so it broke
when it got color number that was `145`.
Thank you so much!!
That and #4 (the silly-looking Inputs) are both now fixed on
netlogoweb.org
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.
We keep on seeing silly-looking inputs in the current netlogoweb.org,
though (for instance, in the same model that was causing the issues
with the wrapping color arguments).
Thank you for bringing both of those issues to my attention.
Thank YOU for your awesome work and the great help!
Luis
On 09/08/2016 09:41 AM, Luis R. Izquierdo wrote:
Dear Jason,
This post is about running the models inside wordpress,
2. Regarding running NetLogo models: To have a NetLogo
engine inside the book, so everything works even if NetLogo
changes too much for our code. (And potentially be able to
change the css of NetLogoWeb slightly, to make running
models fit better with the rest of the e-book, e.g. fig.1 at
http://ccl.northwestern.edu/2016/WeintropEtAlConstructionism2016-1.pdf
<http://ccl.northwestern.edu/2016/WeintropEtAlConstructionism2016-1.pdf>)
Okay, got it. Do you already know all of the models you want
to use? I primarily ask because I want to know if NetLogo
Web can already do everything you want to be able to do in
your book, or if it makes sense to hold off on this plugin
until some feature or another is implemented.
We have tried to run all the models we have implemented so far,
and these are the issues we have encountered so far:
1. read-from-string is not supported in NetLogo Web so far.
We need a way to allow the user to input lists (or, more
generally, a list of lists). Currently we do this with an input
box and “read-from-string”, but this reporter is not implemented
in NetLogo Web yet.
2. no-display is not supported in NetLogo Web so far. (not big deal)
3. The display of (temporary) pens in bar mode which overlap each
other is not dealt adequately in NetLogo Web yet (see pictures
1-*.png attached).
4. The appearance of input boxes is not dealt adequately in
NetLogo Web yet (see "payoffs" input box in pictures 2-*.png
attached).
5. We have one particular model (attached) which runs fine in
Netlogo Desktop, but throws the following error in NetLogo web:
"A type error has occurred in the simulation engine. More
information about these sorts of errors can be found here
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__netlogoweb.org_info-23type-2Derrors&d=CwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=sxGjFFyk2A6rYHwAdDtnqeTKj3cEcXDGDo_G9va2ruI&m=aEqysEkm9CAtkWO8WkOX8pwKW83C6Ee84jK0Q4s0FC4&s=-jzWoTqCXHX-NjTBUc6N3qWt9m5mBUge2ltqMVPMMSs&e=>.
Advanced users might find the generated error helpful, which is
as follows:
*ref is undefined*"
Given this, I guess the best way to proceed is:
1. To post these issues in
https://github.com/NetLogo/Galapagos/issues
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2. To wait a little bit for these to be solved.
Is that what we should do?
Thank you so much for all your help!
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