Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Hansford jonat...@hansfords.net wrote: And it is not just end users who need help to better understand YANG models and how to use them. For those still on the edge, looking to finally take the plunge and use NETCONF/YANG to configure their devices,

Re: [netmod] extensions and conformance

2015-08-10 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 10 Aug 2015, at 12:17, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: Hi, I am strongly against changing the contract on extensions. They MAY be ignored by any YANG tool. Period. That means they are far from

Re: [netmod] extensions and conformance

2015-08-10 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 10 Aug 2015, at 17:32, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 10 Aug 2015, at 12:17, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: Hi,

Re: [netmod] extensions and conformance

2015-08-10 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 10 Aug 2015, at 18:46, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Ladislav Lhotka lho...@nic.cz wrote: On 10 Aug 2015, at 17:32, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote:

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
From: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.commailto:a...@yumaworks.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2015 at 4:15 PM To: Acee Lindem a...@cisco.commailto:a...@cisco.com Cc: Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn) eina...@cisco.commailto:eina...@cisco.com, Jonathan Hansford

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I think there is agreement that there is a problem. The YANG Routing Design Team is addressing this with https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00.txt (which has evolved from https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-openconfig-netmod-model-structure-00.txt). In essence, a place for

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Andy Bierman
On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) a...@cisco.com wrote: I think there is agreement that there is a problem. The YANG Routing Design Team is addressing this with https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00.txt (which has evolved from

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Jonathan Hansford
 And it is not just end users who need help to better understand YANG models and how to use them. For those still on the edge, looking to finally take the plunge and use NETCONF/YANG to configure their devices, help is also required to determine how best to structure their YANG models, make use of

[netmod] extensions and conformance

2015-08-10 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Hi, recent discussions show that 6020(bis) text about extensions isn't sufficiently clear about the scope and semantics of extensions. IMO this needs to be fixed and so I propose to add the following item to YANG 1.1 issue list. Comments and additional solutions are welcome. Lada

Re: [netmod] Y34 - root node

2015-08-10 Thread Einar Nilsen-Nygaard (einarnn)
As someone sharing responsibilities for guiding a number of development teams both defining new models and implementing to some already defined models in this area, I can only agree with this addition to what I said earlier. Cheers, Einar On Aug 10, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Hansford

Re: [netmod] NETMOD WG YANG 1.1 virtual interim meetings

2015-08-10 Thread Ladislav Lhotka
Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com writes: On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: Lets please not mix YANG 1.1 work with other discussions at this point in time. I would really like the WG and IESG to decide how YANG is going to be

Re: [netmod] extensions and conformance

2015-08-10 Thread Andy Bierman
Hi, I am strongly against changing the contract on extensions. They MAY be ignored by any YANG tool. Period. That means they are far from mandatory. They are little more than a keyword and a description clause. There are not even any rules or help determining which extensions can appear as