Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, Christian Hopps wrote: > > Martin Bjorklund writes: > > > Hi, > > > > I think one concern with "rfc8199-xxx" is that if this RFC gets reved, > > the name will be misleading. I also agree that "element" is too > > vague. > > Isn't this why we have "Updates" and "Obsoletes" for? If this al

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Christian Hopps
Martin Bjorklund writes: Hi, I think one concern with "rfc8199-xxx" is that if this RFC gets reved, the name will be misleading. I also agree that "element" is too vague. Isn't this why we have "Updates" and "Obsoletes" for? If this all didn't work we could never refer to our standards by

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Martin Bjorklund
Hi, I think one concern with "rfc8199-xxx" is that if this RFC gets reved, the name will be misleading. I also agree that "element" is too vague. Since 8199 doesn't use the terms "element" and "service", but "network element" and "network service", how about these changes: ietf:rfc8199-elemen

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 09:40:52AM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: > > But, "ietf:protocol" is in fact intended and defined to be generic, > "ietf:rfc8199-element" is not defined as generic at all. It's defined very > clearly in RFC8199. Using a broad tag "ietf:element" for such a narrow > defini

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Christian Hopps
Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:37:59AM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: But, ietf:element is too generic to assign the meaning "RFC8199 module classification of element" which is what "rfc8199-element" is supposed to be. It'll need to b

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Robert Wilton
My opinion is that we should just push the doc as it stands now. I don't know whether we have the perfect set of base tags defined in section 8.2, but I don't think that this really matters.  One of the things that I prefer about tags, compared to the alternative approach of having a rigid str

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 08:37:59AM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > > > > > The 'rfc8199-' part in some of the tags does look to me like an > > > > attempt to scope 'service', 'element' etc. If this is being used, you > > > > will see that labels will use ad-hoc

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Christian Hopps
Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > The 'rfc8199-' part in some of the tags does look to me like an > attempt to scope 'service', 'element' etc. If this is being used, you > will see that labels will use ad-hoc forms of scoping. The networking > vocabulary is small and reuse of terms with differen

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
First of all, let me clarify that I submitted comments, I did not raise objections. There is a difference I think. On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 05:19:17AM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 04:00:01AM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: > > > > >

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Christian Hopps
Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 04:00:01AM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: In any case this is general purpose meta-data after all, while some data may be immediately recognizable (e.g., ietf:routing) other data may require looking at a specification to determine it's m

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 04:00:01AM -0500, Christian Hopps wrote: > > In any case this is general purpose meta-data after all, while some data may > be immediately recognizable (e.g., ietf:routing) other data may require > looking at a specification to determine it's meaning. > Frankly, I can't

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-13 Thread Christian Hopps
Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 03:50:08PM -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote: Joel Jaeggli has requested publication of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the NETMOD working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.

Re: [netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-12 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 03:50:08PM -0800, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > Joel Jaeggli has requested publication of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04 as > Proposed Standard on behalf of the NETMOD working group. > > Please verify the document's state at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-

[netmod] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04

2019-02-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
Joel Jaeggli has requested publication of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-04 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the NETMOD working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags/ ___ netmod mai