Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: discussion around 7950 bis or errata (from Key Issue #1)

2023-09-27 Thread Kent Watsen
This was my thought as well, that it would be best to have the smallest-possible draft update 6020/7950. That way, when someone follows the “Updated” links, they’re not overloaded with material that could’ve been left out. Jason was saying that just doing MUST/SHOULD by alone isn’t great, that

Re: [netmod] MUST offline-validation of alone be required? possible solution and further discussion

2023-10-26 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Jan, RFC 8342 defines the ability for "configuration transformations” to map to , which is "subject to validation”.Section 5.1.4 describes cross-cutting features, such as deactivating nodes and templating, that can result in an invalid , when is considered alone. However, clients can

Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis: must + error-message for "config false"

2023-11-06 Thread Kent Watsen
“Must” statements on opstate usefully helps clients know when certain values will always appear, enabling better optimization and usability. E.g., for Syslog messages, there must always be a timestamp, severity, and a message. It would be unhelpful for the server to not declare its intention to

Re: [netmod] draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis: must + error-message for "config false"

2023-11-07 Thread Kent Watsen
My confusion, sorry, I was thinking “mandatory”. Must statements on opstate are useful, but less important. Kent > On Nov 6, 2023, at 5:26 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > “Must” statements on opstate usefully helps clients know when certain values > will always appear, ena

Re: [netmod] RE I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-11.txt

2023-11-14 Thread Kent Watsen
Juergen, Tom, Andy, The previous WGLC for this draft didn’t succeed due to your comments. Qin’s update (1) below removes all the (metric) specific node-tags. All that is left now is the generic mechanism for tagging nodes. Can you confirm that this update (-11) addresses your concerns? Thanks,

[netmod] Proposed date for Interim on system-config-04

2023-12-04 Thread Kent Watsen
Dear NETMOD WG, Following up on an action from the 118 session, the chairs would like to schedule an Interim meeting to discuss draft-ietf-netmod-system-config. Considering various time-options with Qiufang, as author, it seemed that the following 2-hour slot was best for all (see table at bott

Re: [netmod] Proposed date for Interim on system-config-04

2023-12-12 Thread Kent Watsen
son >> (perander) >> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2023 7:05 PM >> To: Kent Watsen ; netmod@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [netmod] Proposed date for Interim on system-config-04 >> >> >> CAUTION: This is an external email. Please be very careful when clicking

Re: [netmod] Operational State usage of YANG choices and constraints

2023-12-22 Thread Kent Watsen
With limited experience wrt the impact on servers, as a client, it’s always best for the opstate data to be modeled as accurately as possible, for better processing and user experience. K. > On Dec 22, 2023, at 1:37 PM, Acee Lindem wrote: > > We’ve had some discussions as to whether YANG mod

[netmod] YANG to TypeScript?

2023-12-29 Thread Kent Watsen
In the “here’s something different” category… I’m interested in creating an SPA (single page application) on top of a RESTCONF server. Popular SPA frameworks include AngularJS, Ember.js, ExtJS, Knockout.js, Meteor.js, React, Vue.js, and Svelte. TypeScript is a used by these frameworks to “t

Re: [netmod] YANG to TypeScript?

2024-01-02 Thread Kent Watsen
Thanks Lada! > On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:50 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Hi Kent, > > it's not exactly what you are asking for but FWIW Yangson has a method > DataModel.schema_digest [1] > that returns a “schema digest” - a JS object that contains all information > that is necessary for such a

Re: [netmod] YANG to TypeScript?

2024-01-03 Thread Kent Watsen
> On Jan 3, 2024, at 4:58 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > Kent Watsen mailto:kent+i...@watsen.net>> writes: > >> Thanks Lada! >> >> >>> On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:50 AM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kent, >>> &g

[netmod] Proposed date for Interim on immutable-flag-09

2024-01-11 Thread Kent Watsen
Dear NETMOD WG, The chairs would like to schedule an Interim meeting to discuss draft-ietf-netmod-immutable-flag. - note that this is in addition to the Interim on Jan 23 for the system-config draft. Considering various time-options with Qiufang, as author, with Chinese Lunar New Year

Re: [netmod] Proposed date for Interim on immutable-flag-09

2024-01-22 Thread Kent Watsen
I’m going to schedule this Interim now but, please be advised that, per Jan’s comment on for the "system-config” interim, the “CET” label should’ve been “UTC” instead. Kent > On Jan 11, 2024, at 6:18 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Dear NETMOD WG, > > The chairs would

[netmod] Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

2024-01-29 Thread Kent Watsen
Link to minutes: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2024-netmod-01-202401231400/ Reproduced below for convenience. Please report any updates needed here. Kent (and Lou) This virtual interim was soley focused on the "system-config" draft. Qiufang Ma presented. Draft: https://dat

Re: [netmod] Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

2024-01-30 Thread Kent Watsen
may work in circumstances where the operator doesn’t use > templates or inactive config *or* the client reproduces the server logic for > the running->intended transforms > > Jason > > From: netmod mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org>> On > Behalf Of Kent Watsen > Sent:

[netmod] Fwd: Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

2024-01-31 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Juergen, > Well, statements like "the WG agrees" are problematic for things that > have not been discussed on the mailing list. Perhaps it is the people > attending the interim agreed? Well, I can't tell, I have not been > there... Maybe but… - it was an official Interim meeting (not just a

Re: [netmod] Network Modeling (netmod) WG Virtual Meeting: 2024-02-06

2024-01-31 Thread Kent Watsen
Reminder that NETMID is having another Virtual Interim a week from today. Kent > On Jan 22, 2024, at 10:22 AM, IESG Secretary wrote: > > The Network Modeling (netmod) WG will hold a virtual interim meeting on > 2024-02-06 from 09:00 to 11:00 America/New_York (14:00 to 16:00 UTC). > > Agenda:

Re: [netmod] Draft Minutes for Virtual Interim

2024-02-01 Thread Kent Watsen
The draft interim minutes have been updated. Thank you Jason, Jurgen, and Carsten for your valuable comments. Link to minutes: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2024-netmod-01-202401231400/ The minutes are reproduced below for convenience. Please report any updates needed here.

[netmod] rfc8407bis IANA module identifier name

2024-02-04 Thread Kent Watsen
Authors, WG, Following is a comment on Section 4.30.3.1. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-06#section-4.30.3.1 The text says: "The name of the "identity" is the lower-case of the name provided in the registry.” Yet Section 4.3.1. (Identifier Naming Conventions)

[netmod] rfc8407bis IANA guidance (enums vs identities)

2024-02-07 Thread Kent Watsen
Authors, WG, Following is a comment on Section 4.30.2. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-06#section-4.30.2 The text says: START An IANA-maintained module may use identities (e.g., [RFC8675]) or enumerations (e.g., [RFC9108]). The decision about which typ

Re: [netmod] rfc8407bis IANA guidance (enums vs identities)

2024-02-08 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Mohamad, Thanks for the response. Some thoughts below. K > On Feb 8, 2024, at 3:36 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: > > Hi Kent, all, > > Let’s me also provide some background and explain why we are not using any > normative language for enum vs identities. We used to have this te

Re: [netmod] rfc8407bis IANA guidance (enums vs identities)

2024-02-08 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Mohamad, Thanks for the response. Some thoughts below. K > On Feb 8, 2024, at 3:36 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: > > Hi Kent, all, > > Let’s me also provide some background and explain why we are not using any > normative language for enum vs identities. We used to have this te

[netmod] IPR poll for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

2024-02-12 Thread Kent Watsen
Authors, Contributors, WG, As a prerequisite for the adoption on this document: YANG Metadata Annotation for Immutable Flag https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please sta

[netmod] Rfc8407 - what does this text mean?

2024-02-16 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD, An IESG member reviewing one of my drafts flagged a section I had written to satisfy this text from https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8407#section-3.5: If the document contains a YANG module(s) that is compliant with NMDA [RFC8342], then the Introduction section sho

Re: [netmod] Rfc8407 - what does this text mean?

2024-02-16 Thread Kent Watsen
ine a “temporary non-NMDA module”. PS: top-posting for simplicity K. > On Feb 16, 2024, at 3:25 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 12:07 PM Kent Watsen <mailto:kent%2bi...@watsen.net>> wrote: >> NETMOD, >> >> An IESG member rev

Re: [netmod] Rfc8407 - what does this text mean?

2024-02-19 Thread Kent Watsen
> De : netmod mailto:netmod-boun...@ietf.org>> De la > part de Kent Watsen > Envoyé : vendredi 16 février 2024 21:55 > À : Andy Bierman mailto:a...@yumaworks.com>> > Cc : netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> > Objet : Re: [netmod] Rfc8407 - what does this text

Re: [netmod] RE I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-11.txt

2024-02-20 Thread Kent Watsen
Juergen, Tom, Andy, Gentle reminder. Kent // shepherd > On Nov 14, 2023, at 4:49 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Juergen, Tom, Andy, > > The previous WGLC for this draft didn’t succeed due to your comments. > Qin’s update (1) below removes all the (metric) specific node-tag

Re: [netmod] IPR poll for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

2024-02-22 Thread Kent Watsen
Thank you authors and contributors for your responses. No IPR is being declared at this time. Kent (and Lou) > On Feb 12, 2024, at 5:50 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As a prerequisite for the adoption on this document: > > YANG Me

[netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

2024-02-22 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: YANG Metadata Annotation for Immutable Flag https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09 There is no known IPR on this draft: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/g_Rh24gXHZcfTU

Re: [netmod] Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-02-28 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med, I’ve been slow to provide follow-up responses to you regarding the "Adherence to the NMDA" and "Security Considerations" sections, which I have refined even more since our last interactions here. 1) In the Adherence to the NMDA section, I know that I pushed before to invert the recomme

Re: [netmod] Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-02-28 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Jan, > On Feb 28, 2024, at 9:21 AM, Jan Lindblad wrote: > > Med, author team, > > Thank you for taking the time to get this work done, and well done! This is > one of those fundamental bricks that saves time and improves quality for the > entire YANG community. > > I read the -09 version

[netmod] WGLC on node-tags-11

2024-02-29 Thread Kent Watsen
This email begins a two-week WGLC on: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-node-tags-11 Please take time to review this draft and post comments by March 14. Favorable comments are especially welcomed. Aside: this draft went through a WGLC six months ago, to which t

Re: [netmod] Long trees RE: Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-03-04 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Italo, > On Mar 4, 2024, at 1:38 PM, Italo Busi > wrote: > > I am wondering whether the issue of YANG tree too-long could be resolved by > updating the IETF tooling. For example, I have noted that the html-ized > version of the I-Ds is now working well with artwork exceeding the 72 > char

Re: [netmod] Long trees RE: Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-03-05 Thread Kent Watsen
It seems that there are two camps: 1) those that want the tree-diagrams to be as DRY as possible 2) those that want the tree-diagrams to be as WET as possible DRY = Don't Repeat Yourself WET = Write Every Time Tooling can help both cases. For (1)

Re: [netmod] Long trees RE: Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-03-05 Thread Kent Watsen
and tree-diagram views. K. > On Mar 5, 2024, at 11:21 AM, Italo Busi > wrote: > > I like the idea of relying on tooling with hyperlinks > > For txt and pdf, I agree that a link is the best option since these formats > are not optimized for including YANG trees >

Re: [netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-netmod-immutable-flag-09

2024-03-11 Thread Kent Watsen
"draft-ietf-netmod-immutable-flag-00" and upload to data tracker. Any adoption-comments should be addressed in a -01 version. No IPR was reported: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/g_Rh24gXHZcfTUXDo0xZ-sXK-vU/ Thanks, Kent and Lou > On Feb 22, 2024, at 12:41 PM

Re: [netmod] Draft IETF 119 NETMOD Agenda posted

2024-03-12 Thread Kent Watsen
time >> zone). >> >> Thanks, >> Jason (+ chairs Kent and Lou) >> >> Draft Agenda for the NETMOD 119 WG Session >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/materials/agenda-119-netmod >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/session/netmod >>

[netmod] IPR Call on draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-03-25 Thread Kent Watsen
se to the list above, and not unicast it. PS: Currently no IPR is filed for this draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang Thanks. Kent Watsen (as co-chair) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

[netmod] IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05

2024-03-25 Thread Kent Watsen
y no IPR is filed for this draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-netmod-system-config. Thanks. Kent Watsen (as co-chair) ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod

Re: [netmod] IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05

2024-03-26 Thread Kent Watsen
My last message didn’t tag all authors and contributors. This message adds to the “To” line the following additional authors and contributors: - Chong Feng - Kent Watsen - Jan Linblad - Jason Stern Kent // chair > On Mar 25, 2024, at 9:30 PM, Kent Watsen wr

Re: [netmod] IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05

2024-03-26 Thread Kent Watsen
No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Kent // contributor > On Mar 26, 2024, at 11:40 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > My last message didn’t tag all authors and contributors. > > This message adds to the “To” line the following additional authors

Re: [netmod] IPR Call on draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-03-26 Thread Kent Watsen
All authors and contributors have responded indicating no awareness of IPR applying to this draft. The adoption call may proceed now. Kent // chair > On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:44 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > [This draft moved from OPSAWG to NETMOD] > > > Authors, Contribut

[netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-03-26 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: A Common YANG Data Model for Scheduling https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang PS: This draft moved from OPSAWG to NETMOD There is no known IPR on this draft: https://mailarchive.

Re: [netmod] IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05

2024-03-29 Thread Kent Watsen
> Chongfeng > > 发件人: Kent Watsen [mailto:kent+i...@watsen.net] > 发送时间: 2024年3月26日 9:31 > 收件人: maqiufang (A) ; Qin Wu ; > Chongfeng Xie > 抄送: netmod@ietf.org > 主题: IPR Call on draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05 > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As a prer

[netmod] WGLC on system-config-05

2024-03-29 Thread Kent Watsen
This email begins a two-week WGLC on: System-defined Configuration https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-system-config/ Please take time to review this draft and post comments by April 12. Favorable comments are especially welcomed. There is no known IPR for this

Re: [netmod] YANG Versioning: filename recommendations for YANG Semver

2024-04-03 Thread Kent Watsen
> This can never happen since the '#' char is not allowed in a YANG module name. > YANG 1.1 tools look for MODNAME[@DATE].EXT. > If the YANG module name is not in this format the tool will not find the > module. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7950#section-5.2 says: The name of

Re: [netmod] Adoption call for draft-ma-opsawg-schedule-yang-04

2024-04-15 Thread Kent Watsen
following repo has been created for you: https://github.com/netmod-wg/schedule-yang. Kent and Lou > On Mar 26, 2024, at 11:49 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > NETMOD WG, > > This email begins a 2-week adoption poll for: > > A Common YANG Data Model for Scheduling >

[netmod] IPR on call on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-11

2024-04-29 Thread Kent Watsen
Authors, Contributors, WG, As a prerequisite for the WGLC on this document: Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of Documents Containing YANG Data Models https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-11 Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft

Re: [netmod] IPR on call on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-11

2024-05-06 Thread Kent Watsen
None of the authors are aware of any IPR. Please note that Qin’s response isn’t threaded correctly, but can be found here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/NDygxJmY6FEOwXS8ifGo08INR58/ Kent > On Apr 29, 2024, at 6:05 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, WG

[netmod] WGLC on draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-05-06 Thread Kent Watsen
This email begins a two-week WGLC on: Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of Documents Containing YANG Data Models https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis/ Please take time to review this draft and post comments by May 20. Favorable comments are especiall

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-06-03 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Carsten, > On Jun 3, 2024, at 4:12 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > (2) I’d love to know what kinds of timestamps real YANG implementations send > here — do they really pollute their timestamps with local-time offset > information? > Does any recipient actually care about the local-time relat

[netmod] YANG Versioning question - namespace version?

2024-06-17 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, I was recently asked why YANG module namespaces aren’t versioned. For example, the “1.0” at the end of this URI "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-crypto-types:1.0”. The stated concern was "because without this, then management of backward compatibility becomes a nightmare.” Th

[netmod] Re: YANG Versioning question - namespace version?

2024-06-17 Thread Kent Watsen
> I believe this was a deliberate decision. The info about module versions is > available elsewhere (in the module proper and/or in YANG library data), so I > don't see any necessity of having it in the namespace. Yes, but I wonder if it assumed the update rules in Section 11. Thinking out l

[netmod] Fwd: A short note / request…

2024-06-30 Thread Kent Watsen
A message from one of the Ops Area ADs. Good advice! > From: Warren Kumari > Date: June 30, 2024 at 6:14:51 AM EDT > To: ops-chairs > Subject: A short note / request… > >  > Hi there all, > > As you've probably all realized by now, the IESG goes through cycles of what > it thinks is super

[netmod] rfc7950bis and yang-xml

2024-07-08 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi folks, I took a swing at YANG-next… I started by asking RFC Editor for the XML for 7950, which I then updated to the new v3 format. Lastly I created a PR to move the XML-specific text to a new “yang-xml” document. Here are the results. 1. rfc7950bis FWIW, IDK this work will obsolete 602

[netmod] NETMOD Secretary

2024-07-08 Thread Kent Watsen
Dear NETMOD WG, Jason has let us know that he needs a break from being Secretary and, very fortunately, James Cumming (CC-ed) has volunteered to step in. We appreciate all the help that Jason has provided, and look forward to his continued contribution to the WG going forwards. Welcome James!

[netmod] Preliminary NETMOD 120 agenda

2024-07-08 Thread Kent Watsen
/converter.html?iso=20240722T20&p1=256 Room: Georgia B https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/120/floor-plan?room=georgia-b ## WG Chairs: Lou Berger(lberger at labs dot net) Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net) ## WG Secretary James Cumming (james.cumming at nokia

[netmod] Presentations for IETF 120 session

2024-07-15 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD 120 presenters, Please submit a draft version of slides no later than Friday Jul 19th (any timezone). Please propose slides at the following URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/120/session/netmod If it is not possible to propose slides on DataTracker, send them by unicast

[netmod] Re: Yang Scalability

2024-07-25 Thread Kent Watsen
> This means to me that templating mechanism might more easily be applied to > the data input versus the schema itself. Yes, but both input and output. That is, would return what set. A server would advertise that it supports, e.g., via a capability, but otherwise its YANG Library would b

[netmod] Re: Yang Scalability

2024-07-25 Thread Kent Watsen
 > Do you have any reference (URL) to "NIST-like bake off" for people like me > who are not aware of it? I’ll summarize, most likely incorrectly, but it should suffice. 1) NIST puts out a call for an algorithm 2) NIST evaluates submissions on varying axes: strength, speed, size, implementabi

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-07-30 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Juergen, During the IETF 120 NETMOD session, there was a discussion regarding the status of this document. The chairs asked if anyone would be willing to help get it over the line. Both Rob and Joseph (CC-ed) volunteered. Is there a repo that you were working out of? Kent // as shepherd

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-07-30 Thread Kent Watsen
[CC-ing Rob] > On Jul 30, 2024, at 1:02 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > Hi Juergen, > > During the IETF 120 NETMOD session, there was a discussion regarding the > status of this document. The chairs asked if anyone would be willing to help > get it over the line. Both

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-08-01 Thread Kent Watsen
Please ignore Sorry for the noise, but the tools-team pointed me to a mailman3 setting that might be causing my CC’s being removed. CC-ing Rob again as a test. K. > On Jul 30, 2024, at 1:08 PM, Kent Watsen wrote: > > [CC-ing Rob] > > >> On Jul 30, 2024, at 1:02 P

[netmod] Re: Defining groupings after the fact? draft-jouqui-netmod-yang-full-include and the reuse of definitions

2024-08-01 Thread Kent Watsen
Added to YANG-next tracker here: https://github.com/netmod-wg/yang-next/issues/129 > On Aug 1, 2024, at 4:48 PM, Alexander L Clemm > wrote: > > Hello Shiya, > > re your comment on the "Once models have been defined this way, they > cannot be altered after the fact": Well, I guess as William

[netmod] Re: Defining groupings after the fact? draft-jouqui-netmod-yang-full-include and the reuse of definitions

2024-08-02 Thread Kent Watsen
[CC-ing Med] I wonder if rfc8047bis should have a recommendation to use groupings extensively? FWIW, my "client-server” suite of drafts in NETCONF use groupings extensively. In fact, whenever a data-node is needed, it is always just a container that uses a grouping. Kent > On Aug 2, 2024, a

[netmod] Re: AD review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6991-bis-15

2024-08-10 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Juergen, Thank you for the update! I believe the conversation right now is with the AD. Best regards, Kent // shepherd > On Aug 7, 2024, at 6:43 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On 2024-08-07, at 09:59, Jürgen Schönwälder > wrote: >> >> It is what it is. > > I agree that this is a vali

[netmod] 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-11 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, We did a WGLC in May on the -05 version of this document. The diffs since then are substantial (https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-05&url2=draft-ietf-netmod-system-config-08&difftype=--html) and so it seems prudent to run a fresh WGLC on this d

[netmod] Regarding draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-08-11 Thread Kent Watsen
The minutes for the NETMOD 120 session [0] captures this dialog: Tim Carey: What is the update for the best practices document and node-tags document Lou Berger: Best practices - I do not recall and will have to come back. The update follows, in the form of the history/s

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-19 Thread Kent Watsen
system nodes triggered by >"resolve-system" parameter might conflict with the contents of >, the conflict resolution is no different than the >resolution of conflict caused by configuration explicitly provided by >the client. > > I’m afraid I don’t un

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-19 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Jürgen, > On Aug 15, 2024, at 11:10 AM, Jürgen Schönwälder > wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 02:10:31PM +, Kent Watsen wrote: >> >> This email begins a two-week WGLC on: >> >> System-defined Configuration >> https://datatracker.

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-20 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Jan, > After us all now having investigated this line of reasoning, my conclusion is > that we have to choose one of two approaches: The primary open-question is if it is *needed* for a client to copy nodes into . IMO, to understand the requirements, this question must be answered first.

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-21 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Qiufang, > Regarding #1, I’m sympathetic to not flipping an established client-contract > without warning. My proposal is to version the protocols (i.e. NETCONF 1.2 > and RESTCONF 1.1) to indicate this change in behavior. That is, a server > implementing the datastore would have to imple

[netmod] Re: comments on system-config-08 draft

2024-08-21 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Andy, > The example in the appendix shows a device that would boot without any > interfaces in . > They would only be in . If this is the case, then all non-NMDA > clients and all current NMDA clients need to be rewritten to know about the > config. IMO breaking all existing clients woul

[netmod] YANG-Next: Score more issues

2024-08-22 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG, A small group is meeting tomorrow to score YANG-next issues [0]. This is the second such meeting and, as such, will begin with Issue #51. In case anyone wants to join, please review issues >= 51beforehand. YANG-next: Score more issues Scheduled: Aug 23, 2024 at 9:00 AM

[netmod] Re: comments on system-config-08 draft

2024-08-22 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Andy, > So you are planning new protocol versions with NBC changes as well? Yes. The NETCONF WG already kicked-off (sort of) the NETCONF-next and RESTCONF-next efforts. The “plan” is to first publish a BC (backwards compatible) version of the protocols to address low-hanging items, and the

[netmod] Re: 2nd WGLC on system-config-08

2024-08-22 Thread Kent Watsen
> On Aug 22, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 5:54 AM Jürgen Schönwälder > wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2024 at 12:20:55PM +, Jan Lindblad (jlindbla) wrote: >> > >> > PS: And with a well designed merge operation, one might in the future >> > even move towar

[netmod] Re: Regarding draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-09-04 Thread Kent Watsen
> Please see inline. > > Cheers, > Med > > De : Kent Watsen mailto:kent+i...@watsen.net>> > Envoyé : dimanche 11 août 2024 20:48 > À : netmod@ietf.org <mailto:netmod@ietf.org> > Objet : [netmod] Regarding draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis > > &

[netmod] Fwd: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 for your review

2024-09-04 Thread Kent Watsen
TP/1.1 [RFC9112] - HTTP/2 [RFC9112] - HTTP/3 [RFC9112] Thoughts? Kent // contributor > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Mahesh Jethanandani > Subject: Re: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 > for your review > Date: September 3, 2024 at 5:41:58 PM EDT > To: Kent Watse

[netmod] Re: [IANA #1373241] Regarding draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

2024-09-06 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med, 1) Regarding "For example, authors of a module with such identifiers have to indicate...”, I’m unsure how the registrant is suppose to propose valid YANG identifiers. First, I wonder if the registrant would even be aware of the existence of a YANG module for the underlying registry.

[netmod] Re: Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2024-09-10 Thread Kent Watsen
[removing the IESG] Hi Joe, authors, and NETMOD. > On Sep 10, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Joe Clarke (jclarke) > wrote: > > Thanks for the comments and feedback, Paul. I’ve opened GitHub issue > https://github.com/netmod-wg/syslog-model/issues/14 so Mahesh and I can track > the necessary changes on

[netmod] Re: Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2024-09-10 Thread Kent Watsen
ilable, too long trees can be displayed in the HTML > version of documents that include such trees. > > I know that Italo tried to have a discussion in 121 with Carsten for md(?), > but I don’t know if that discussion actually happened. Italo can clarify this. > > Cheers,

[netmod] Re: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 for your review

2024-09-10 Thread Kent Watsen
cols, such as NETCONF [RFC6241] and RESTCONF [RFC8040]. These protocols have mandatory-to-implement secure transport layers (e.g., SSH [RFC4252], TLS [RFC8446], QUIC [RFC9000]) and mandatory-to-implement mutual authentication. Kent // contributor > On Sep 4, 2024, at 10:28 AM, Kent

[netmod] YANG-next: Round 3

2024-09-11 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD, A group of folks are meeting tomorrow to continue reviewing the YANG-next issue tracker. In case anyone wants to join, the meeting is 9-11am US/Eastern. The Zoom link is: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84044654674?pwd=7z4Ql9u33W0edXP3RhppXfJsBr2COa.1#success Kent // contributor

[netmod] Re: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 for your review

2024-09-12 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med,On Sep 12, 2024, at 3:14 AM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Hi Mahesh,   Please see inline.   Cheers, Med   De : Mahesh Jethanandani Envoyé : jeudi 12 septembre 2024 00:49 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET Cc : Kent Watsen ; netmod@ietf.org Objet : Re: [netmod] AD - Re

[netmod] Re: Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-netmod-syslog-model-32: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2024-09-12 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Paul, > On Sep 9, 2024, at 9:28 PM, Paul Wouters via Datatracker > wrote: > > Related question: Is it one certificate+key that used for the TLS connection > as > well as to sign data within the payload of packets? The issue you’re raising is one that could’ve (should’ve?) been discussed w

[netmod] Re: AD - Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9644 for your review

2024-09-12 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Med, Sorry this is taking so long, but we’re getting there! ;) > > The reference of QUIC is to the protocol, RFC 9000, not NETCONF over QUIC, an > I-D as you note; just as the reference is to SSH protocol, RFC 4252, not > NETCONF over SSH, RFC 6242. > [Med] I understand the intent is to

[netmod] Re: Regarding RFC 7950 Mandatory validation

2024-09-16 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Partha, > On Sep 6, 2024, at 1:13 PM, parthasarath...@fujitsu.com > wrote: > > Hi, > I am a Software Engineer working in Fujitsu’s NMS product > supporting Netconf devices. I want a clarification in RFC 7950 on the > behavior of constraint validation in an edit-config request

Re: [netmod] Next NETMOD chair

2015-05-13 Thread Kent Watsen
> As you probably know from a previous message to the list, Jürgen >>announced his plans to step down as co-chair. >> Please welcome Kent Watsen, who has accepted to serve as NETMOD >>co-chair. >> As agreed with Jürgen, the NETMOD WG will run with three chairs until >>

Re: [netmod] VRFY :45: better conformance mechanism

2015-05-19 Thread Kent Watsen
It's unclear to me why Y45-04 is needed at all. Doesn't a newer revision of a module contain all the same typedefs from before, and thus a module could import just the more recent revision to get everything it needs? Why would a module ever have to import an older revision? RFC 6020 says "New t

Re: [netmod] VRFY :45: better conformance mechanism

2015-05-20 Thread Kent Watsen
>You seem to be suggesting that Kent is an uninformed observer and Y45-04 >is actually really easy to understand. Neither is true. I appreciate Andy's vote of confidence, but the reality is that I fell into a black hole right at the end of the Dallas meeting and just now caught up on the Y45 d

[netmod] scheduling interim meetings

2015-05-22 Thread Kent Watsen
Following up on https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg12549.html, and also to help other drafts progress, we'd like to schedule 3-4 one-hour virtual interim meetings before the meeting in Prague. The first meeting is already set in terms of time and agenda (see below), but the

Re: [netmod] scheduling interim meetings

2015-05-27 Thread Kent Watsen
There has only been one response so far. Please respond by tomorrow if interested in having time during an interim meeting. Thanks, Kent On 5/22/15, 5:39 PM, "Kent Watsen" wrote: > >Following up on >https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/current/msg12549.html, and

Re: [netmod] Fwd: Re: Leafref and require-instance=false

2015-06-08 Thread Kent Watsen
> Otherwise, the leafref value MUST be a valid value of the > data type that is defined for the referenced leaf. Is it a MUST or a SHOULD? Obviously, if it's not a valid value, a match will never occur, but that's a user error, no? It comes down to a validation warning versus a validation erro

Re: [netmod] Fwd: Re: Leafref and require-instance=false

2015-06-08 Thread Kent Watsen
>I think the two leafs are coupled through the path statement and so the >values of both should conform to the same type. If I extend Balazs¹ >example with uint8 and 1..10 range: > >1. Would a leafref value of 256 be acceptable? > >2. How about "foo"? I agree it doesn't makes sense, but is the

Re: [netmod] Fwd: Re: Leafref and require-instance=false

2015-06-08 Thread Kent Watsen
On 6/8/15, 12:33 PM, "Martin Bjorklund" wrote: >Andy Bierman wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Kent Watsen wrote: >>> The leafref is marked require-instance=false, it just means a matching >> > condition will never succeed. >> > >>

Re: [netmod] I-D Action: draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-03.txt

2015-06-15 Thread Kent Watsen
Hi Andy, Yes, it makes sense to add guidelines for YANG 1.1 before attempting a Last Call. Thanks for bring attention to this. Kent On 6/13/15, 2:53 AM, "Andy Bierman" wrote: >Hi, > >This update to the YANG guidelines draft addresses all the github >issues. I don't think there are any ope

[netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-06-15 Thread Kent Watsen
This is a notice to start a NETMOD WG last call for the document "JSON Encoding of Data Modeled with YANG": https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04 Please indicate your support by Monday June 29, 2015 at 9PM EST. We are not only interested in receiving defect reports, we are

[netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-01 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-06-15 Thread Kent Watsen
This is a notice to start a NETMOD WG last call for the document "Defining and Using Metadata with YANG": https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-01 Please indicate your support by Monday June 29, 2015 at 9PM EST. We are not only interested in receiving defect reports, we ar

[netmod] IPR Poll for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04

2015-06-15 Thread Kent Watsen
Netmod WG: This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are listed as a

[netmod] IPR Poll for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-01

2015-06-15 Thread Kent Watsen
NETMOD WG: This mail starts the IPR poll on draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-01. Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-01? If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). If you are list

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