Re: [netmod] missing YANG versioning requirements

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: > > > On 12/11/2018 16:15, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 7:01 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: > >> >> >> On 09/11/2018 18:35, Andy Bierman wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I think the requirements doc should state that >> >> 1) there

Re: [netmod] [802.1 - 12909] IETF Sub-interface VLAN YANG Data Models - draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-04

Hi, At the 802.1 TSN meeting this morning, Lou Berger made a presentation on behalf of Rob Wilton summarising the recent changes in this draft. I like the changes to the structure which are intended to align the VLAN tag structure to that specified in 802.1Q. I notice that the draft retains

Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-03 consensus call

Hi, I was not at the IETF meeting unfortunately. I see that the technical issues raised in the WGLC have been fixed, which is good. However I still have reservations about the utility of the proposed standard. It seems to me like a solution in search of a problem, and I can't understand why

Re: [netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-03 consensus call

> On Nov 12, 2018, at 15:36, Alex Campbell wrote: > > Perhaps my opinion also carries less weight, as someone who's only on the > mailing list and didn't actually attend the IETF meeting. > So, the reason we take the discussion back to the list is precisely to insure that we capture the

Re: [netmod] [802.1 - 12909] IETF Sub-interface VLAN YANG Data Models - draft-ietf-netmod-sub-intf-vlan-model-04

Hi John,     Thank you (and Janos, the group) for the agenda time and the message.  There was also a request for a single c-type vlan example.  I see that there is already one on page 22 as part of the match container. See below for inline responses. Rob/WG,     The plan is to address the

Re: [netmod] missing YANG versioning requirements

On 09/11/2018 18:35, Andy Bierman wrote: Hi, I think the requirements doc should state that 1) there are many more readers, operators, and client developers than server developers so the solution MUST take into account the numbers of people affected when finding a balance between client and

Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-verdt-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-01.txt

Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 05:31:59PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 02:37:29PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think we need to distinguish between the agreement on the > > > > >

Re: [netmod] missing YANG versioning requirements

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 7:01 AM, Robert Wilton wrote: > > > On 09/11/2018 18:35, Andy Bierman wrote: > > Hi, > > I think the requirements doc should state that > > 1) there are many more readers, operators, and client developers than > server developers so the solution MUST take into account the

Re: [netmod] Deviations and augmentations

On Nov 12 17:33 PM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Robert Wilton wrote: > > In the Thursday Netmod meeting, it was interesting to hear Rob Shakir > > describe how deviations and augmentations are used in OpenConfig to > > add functionality into an older YANG model where the semver rules > > prevent

Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-verdt-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-01.txt

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 05:21:55PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 05:31:59PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 02:37:29PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > > > > >

[netmod] Confirming draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-03 consensus call

During the Thursday nov 8 session of netmod, we asked if there were any objections to the publication of the Draft-03 version of draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags which addresses comments and concerns raised during the WGLC. In the meeting there were none. This commences a comment period to

Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-verdt-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-01.txt

On 12/11/2018 16:29, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Robert Wilton wrote: Hi Martin, On 09/11/2018 16:31, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 02:37:29PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: I think we need to distinguish between the agreement on the

[netmod] Limitations of semver

Although, we may like to think otherwise, I do not believe that semver is a silver bullet that will solve all YANG versioning problems. Yes, it is popular and used, perhaps quite successfully, in lots of projects.  But there are many other large scale projects that have not adopted semver,

Re: [netmod] Deviations and augmentations

Robert Wilton wrote: > In the Thursday Netmod meeting, it was interesting to hear Rob Shakir > describe how deviations and augmentations are used in OpenConfig to > add functionality into an older YANG model where the semver rules > prevent the version number from being incremented. > > Further,

Re: [netmod] Deviations and augmentations

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Robert Wilton wrote: > > In the Thursday Netmod meeting, it was interesting to hear Rob Shakir > > describe how deviations and augmentations are used in OpenConfig to > > add functionality into an older YANG model where the semver rules

Re: [netmod] New Version Notification for draft-verdt-netmod-yang-versioning-reqs-01.txt

Robert Wilton wrote: > Hi Martin, > > > On 09/11/2018 16:31, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 02:37:29PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > I think we need to distinguish between the agreement on the > requirement, namely that a

[netmod] Deviations and augmentations

In the Thursday Netmod meeting, it was interesting to hear Rob Shakir describe how deviations and augmentations are used in OpenConfig to add functionality into an older YANG model where the semver rules prevent the version number from being incremented. Further, I think that someone

Re: [netmod] Deviations and augmentations

On 12/11/2018 16:33, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Robert Wilton wrote: In the Thursday Netmod meeting, it was interesting to hear Rob Shakir describe how deviations and augmentations are used in OpenConfig to add functionality into an older YANG model where the semver rules prevent the version

Re: [netmod] missing YANG versioning requirements

On 12/11/2018 16:15, Andy Bierman wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 7:01 AM, Robert Wilton > wrote: On 09/11/2018 18:35, Andy Bierman wrote: Hi, I think the requirements doc should state that 1) there are many more readers, operators, and client