Re: [netmod] anydata

2015-06-10 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 09:05:07AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: It is also important for the JSON encoding - it means there won’t necessarily be a way for mapping XML-encoded instance to JSON and vice versa. Because of two different namespace identifiers. So here we go. /js -- Juergen

Re: [netmod] anydata

2015-06-10 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 03:04:58PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 09:05:07AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: It is also important for the JSON encoding - it means there won’t necessarily be a way

Re: [netmod] Follow up on the openconfig oper status and the NETMOD interim

2015-06-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
is a proper and workable solution. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de/ ___ netmod

Re: [netmod] Action from Today's Interim Meeting

2015-06-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 07:10:46PM +, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: Hi Juergen, I’m attaching the Model Structure slides for upload. Thanks, uploaded: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/25/netmod/slides/slides-interim-2015-netmod-14-0.pdf /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder

Re: [netmod] Action from Today's Interim Meeting

2015-06-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 03:09:31PM -0700, Anees Shaikh wrote: Here are the opstate slides -- thanks Juergen. Thanks. Uploaded to the archive: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/25/netmod/slides/slides-interim-2015-netmod-14-1.pdf /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs

Re: [netmod] Action from Today's Interim Meeting

2015-06-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
) Preferred place is the IETF meetings material manager. Simply send the slides to me and I will upload them. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs

Re: [netmod] extended datastores slide

2015-06-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
side. I think it is the implementation (or its configuration) that decides which data models also exist in the ephemeral data store. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103

Re: [netmod] [i2rs] extended datastores slide

2015-06-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 01:02:28PM -0400, Susan Hares wrote: Juergen: Where would you put the config ephemeral? Perhaps this is not needed. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax

Re: [netmod] Follow up on the openconfig oper status and the NETMOD interim

2015-06-24 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
this operational true (or operational sometimes) in the data model? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-01 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-06-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
of an annotation impact the JSON encoding rules that control when a module name prefix is needed or not? I assume the answer is 'no' but it is not clear from the text. - s/whose the/whose/ - bump the copyright year to 2015 /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH

Re: [netmod] Thursday's interim

2015-06-16 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
. /js On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 11:10:05AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: Tom, Kent, Jurgen, The DT is wondering if you are expecting anything from the DT at the interim or do you just expect to hear from the draft authors? Thanks, Lou -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-07-01 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 02:03:15PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 01 Jul 2015, at 09:21, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 08:54:07AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-01 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-06-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 03:22:55PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de writes: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:49:32PM +, Kent Watsen wrote: This is a notice to start a NETMOD WG last call for the document Defining and Using Metadata

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-07-01 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 08:54:07AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de writes: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 04:07:10PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 30 Jun 2015, at 15:39, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de

Re: [netmod] YANG-JSON Encoding review comments

2015-07-01 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
in trying to start it again. The bottom line is that anyxml remains defined as it has been defined in RFC 6020 and that it is RECOMMENDED to use anydata for anything that is can be modelled in YANG since anyxml. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-07-04 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
, it MUST be in the canonical form. And of course, we expect the server to only send notifcations that are valid anyway. For RPCs, the obvious things to do would be to require that XPATH evaluation of RPC arguments also takes place on the canonical representation of values. /js -- Juergen

Re: [netmod] Y35: allow empty in union

2015-06-28 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 05:11:28PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 12:16:55PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: Hi

Re: [netmod] Y45-04 and ietf-yang-library

2015-07-06 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 12:39:21AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 02:12:30PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: I propose this text in the conformance leaf

[netmod] YANG Models Required for Managing CPE Devices

2015-07-06 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
is missing for managing a CPE using YANG data models. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de/ ---BeginMessage--- A New Internet-Draft

Re: [netmod] Y45-04 and ietf-yang-library

2015-06-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
implementations in the NETCONF world. Hence, I rather accept that an import of foo without revision may resolve to different versions of foo for different imports. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen

Re: [netmod] Y45-04 and ietf-yang-library

2015-07-06 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
they are published as RFCs (as Lada suggested). This sounds like lets pretend the world is simple so we have less work to do. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103

Re: [netmod] Y45-04 and ietf-yang-library

2015-07-06 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 07:59:29AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 12:39:21AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder

Re: [netmod] Y45-04 and ietf-yang-library

2015-07-07 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
) as a feature for systems where 'default-revision=true' is not workable. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de

Re: [netmod] Y34

2015-08-01 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] WebEx meeting invitation: NETMOD YANG 1.1

2015-08-24 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] WebEx meeting invitation: NETMOD Interm meeting on OpenConfig

2015-08-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-06-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 04:07:10PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 30 Jun 2015, at 15:39, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 03:32:13PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 30 Jun 2015, at 15:20, Juergen Schoenwaelder

Re: [netmod] Y35: allow empty in union

2015-06-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 10:00:11AM -0400, Phil Shafer wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: I am not afraid of nonsense in data models since nonsense will not be implemented. I would leave it to compiler writers to warn about nonsense constructions a compiler can detect without requiring

Re: [netmod] Y35: allow empty in union

2015-06-29 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 05:40:22PM -0400, Phil Shafer wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder writes: And my understanding is that the list foo defined above will never have an instance, correct? I assume decent compilers will continue to create warnings when they can decide that a list will never have

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04 (until 2015-06-29)

2015-06-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:49:11AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Hi Juergen, thank you for the review. Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de writes: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:49:28PM +, Kent Watsen wrote: This is a notice to start a NETMOD WG last call

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 04:55:03PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 29 Jul 2015, at 16:44, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 04:38:41PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: The first part about parser behaviour still doesn’t make

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
. Without the description statement, the ietf-yang-types:counter32 would not at all be a counter. I am absolutely surprised lately how little we seem to have a common understanding about basic YANG concepts. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 04:20:56PM +0200, Jernej Tuljak wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder je 30.7.2015 ob 13:38 napisal: On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 01:31:01PM +0200, Jernej Tuljak wrote: Ladislav Lhotka je 30.7.2015 ob 11:30 napisal: On 30 Jul 2015, at 01:12, Andy Bierman a...@yumaworks.com wrote

Re: [netmod] Y34

2015-08-01 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y62: YANG should not be NETCONF-specific

2015-07-29 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:49:01AM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de writes: Lada, there won't be any decision as long as there is not a concrete actionable proposal to be discussed. Such a proposal does not have to be 'complete

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
parser and sometimes YANG compiler. -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de/ ___ netmod

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-03 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 11:06:41AM +0200, Jernej Tuljak wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder je 3.8.2015 ob 10:18 napisal: Any description statement in principle can do this. We trust that sane data model writers won't do bad things. And if they do, we hope that people will not implement and deploy

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-03 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] Mail regarding draft-mansfield-netmod-uml-to-yang

2015-07-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-30 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
. Sorry for repeating myself. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de/ ___ netmod

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-29 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
proposal. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de/ ___ netmod mailing list netmod@ietf.org

Re: [netmod] draft-openconfig-netmod-opstate: Changes in -01

2015-08-11 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 03:21:48PM -0400, Rob Shakir wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: But you are right, it is not just the path that is needed to identify data residing in configuration datastores. It is in general a tuple selector, path and for configuration data the selector

Re: [netmod] WebEx meeting invitation: NETMOD Interm meeting on OpenConfig

2015-08-09 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] NETMOD WG YANG 1.1 virtual interim meetings

2015-08-09 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 09:22:41AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: Lets please not mix YANG 1.1 work with other discussions at this point in time. I would really like the WG and IESG

Re: [netmod] draft-openconfig-netmod-opstate: Changes in -01

2015-08-07 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Fri, Aug 07, 2015 at 10:40:06AM -0400, Rob Shakir wrote: Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: I assume you meandatastore, path instead ofRPC-call, path. /js Hi Juergen, Generically, the intent here is express that it is 'some-access-method, path' rather than merely 'path'. The 'some

Re: [netmod] draft-openconfig-netmod-opstate: Changes in -01

2015-08-07 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] WebEx meeting invitation: NETMOD Interm meeting on OpenConfig

2015-08-13 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
and that consensus has become part of the charter of the NETMOD WG. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-08-06 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
validation semantics that at the end nobody will implement fully because it does not scale (e.g., because it requires to monitor significant amounts of operational state to detect changes that trigger re-validation). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone

Re: [netmod] Y34

2015-07-27 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
nodes in the model with the root. Thanks, Acee On 7/20/15, 11:00 PM, netmod on behalf of Juergen Schoenwaelder netmod-boun...@ietf.org on behalf of j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: Lada, Y34 is closed and I have not seen any new argument here that indicates we made a major

Re: [netmod] YANG 1.1 Y60 IETF 93 discussion summary and action items

2015-07-27 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:12:01AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:22 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 03:15:45PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:53:41PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: What might be a new task for YANG is to define general syntax for identifying different trees and inter-tree references. This is not the time to add new features to YANG 1.1. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y62: YANG should not be NETCONF-specific

2015-07-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y62: YANG should not be NETCONF-specific

2015-07-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
, 2015 at 01:06:54PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: On 26 Jul 2015, at 12:55, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: Any are concrete actionable proposals? Start rewriting 6020bis, but only if we decide to go that way - it is a difficult decision. I

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y62: YANG should not be NETCONF-specific

2015-07-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
is your proposal? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs-university.de/ ___ netmod mailing list netmod

Re: [netmod] YANG 1.1 Y60 IETF 93 discussion summary and action items

2015-07-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 03:15:45PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote: This is the summary of the discussion of YANG 1.1 issue Y60 at the IETF 93 meeting in Prague: - It is OK for a YANG 1.1

Re: [netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-26 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
to YANG 1.1. I2RS was aware of the YANG 1.1 timeline from the very beginning. YANG 1.1 is gating other specifications and I am not interested to hold everything off (including RESTCONF) because of I2RS. There are many other customers of YANG 1.1 beyond I2RS. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder

Re: [netmod] Dual mode validators needed

2015-07-21 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
that says version 1 (or does not declare a version at all) will be validated according to YANG 1.0 rules. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 http://www.jacobs

[netmod] YANG 1.1 Y60 IETF 93 discussion summary and action items

2015-07-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
1.1 modules as RFCs once the YANG 1.1 RFC has been published. Action items: - AB to check whether there are any loopholes. - JS to schedule virtual interim meetings to handle review comments. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587

Re: [netmod] Interface Extensions YANG draft

2015-07-13 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] Interface Extensions YANG draft

2015-07-13 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
are read only, so you still need separate configuration leaves to set up the parent-child relationship. See Appendix C in RFC 7223 how this was envisioned to be done. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759

Re: [netmod] Y34

2015-07-20 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
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Re: [netmod] New version of draft-wilton-netmod-intf-ext-yang-01

2015-10-27 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
number usually matches the interface type number in the IANA registry. But yes, for monitoring, a broad classification is usually sufficient. For configuration, one likes to have more details but then our understanding of interfaces has evolved a lot over the years (and producing a new interface cl

[netmod] leaf-list uniqueness requirement for non-config nodes

2015-10-29 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
in an RPC and YANG 1 makes this extremely expensive due to this constraint. -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university

[netmod] config lists without keys (Y09) / non-unique leaf-lists (Y57)

2015-10-29 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
as a whole (with edit-config). Comments? /js (as technical contributor) PS: I have been struggling with sending this idea out for a while since I am in a conflict here as a technical contributor and user of YANG and a WG chair interested to deliver YANG 1.1. -- Juergen Schoenwaelder

Re: [netmod] Order of evaluation for when?

2015-10-23 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
e in order to decide how to try to make the datastore valid (if we consider different protocols with different primitives to trigger edits on a datastore). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | German

Re: [netmod] Order of evaluation for when?

2015-10-23 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
ng errors... /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/> ___ netmod mailing list

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-11 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:54:58AM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 11 Nov 2015, at 09:07, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 07:34:23AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > >&g

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-11 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 08:31:14AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 03:14:13PM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > > > &

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-11 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 03:14:13PM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 11 Nov 2015, at 14:59, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:53:49PM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >>

Re: [netmod] Modelling ports that can support multiple physical layer standards

2015-11-11 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
IP interface as an interface layered on top of say an IEEE 802.3 interface but the ietf-ip module does not really force this since many implementations do not expose this layering. If I would do a clean slate design, I would likely, from a architectural point of view, go with a layering approach.

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-11 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
d) is interoperable for the anydata subset of anyxml. - It seems a) is simplest to implement, b) might be expensive to implement and use. - Some implementations use internal data stores that can only deal with data that can be modelled with YANG and for those implementations anyxml

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-11 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:53:49PM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 11 Nov 2015, at 14:44, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:24:15PM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> &g

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-16 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 01:09:20PM +0100, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 16 Nov 2015, at 12:55, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 09:05:00AM -0800, Andy Bierman wrote: > >> > &g

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-16 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
at > should cause us to change the previous decision?" > Andy, please note that this is a discussion primarily around the JSON document and not around the YANG 1.1 document. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Rin

Re: [netmod] New top-level URN namespace for enterprise YANG module namespaces

2015-11-17 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
/www.iana.org/assignments/urn-namespaces/urn-namespaces.xhtml /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-11 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
F is > supposedly data modeling language agnostic. > > One option could be to deprecte anyxml (or remove it) in YANG 1.1, and > if we ever do a new version of NETCONF, we use anydata instead. > We are effectively deprecating anyxml in YANG 1.1. We have reached agreement on Y34-05 and I

Re: [netmod] config lists without keys (Y09) / non-unique leaf-lists (Y57)

2015-11-01 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 01:17:56PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > the issues Y09 and Y57 were declared dead after intense discussions of > > various solution p

Re: [netmod] leaf-list uniqueness requirement for non-config nodes

2015-11-01 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 01:14:39PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > RFC 6020 say: > > > >The values in a leaf-list MUST be unique. > > > > While this may h

Re: [netmod] JSON encoding of anyxml

2015-11-04 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
xml from anydata content? > > Lada > > -- > Ladislav Lhotka, CZ.NIC Labs > PGP Key ID: E74E8C0C > > > > > ___ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf

[netmod] yang 1.1 last call comment resolution

2015-11-05 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
to RESTCONF, COMI, ... It is unclear where we are with this. More input would be welcome. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jac

Re: [netmod] config lists without keys (Y09) / non-unique leaf-lists (Y57)

2015-11-02 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 09:03:46AM +0900, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 01:17:56PM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-unive

Re: [netmod] yang 1.1 last call comment resolution

2015-11-06 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
one delete data from edit-config payload? /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/> _

Re: [netmod] leaf-list uniqueness requirement for non-config nodes

2015-11-03 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 09:40:00PM -0800, Randy Presuhn wrote: > Hi - > > >From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> > >Sent: Oct 29, 2015 1:06 AM > >To: netmod@ietf.org > >Subject: [netmod] leaf-list uniqueness requirement for non-con

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-02 (until 2015-10-22)

2015-10-15 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 04:01:13PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> writes: > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 03:09:34PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > >> > >> > On 13 Oct 2015, at 13:01, Juer

Re: [netmod] review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-07 (except 9. built-in types)

2015-10-15 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
; Also notifications are encoded differently in RESTCONF and NETCONF. Hm. > > * p120 > > > > The text in section 7.21.1 talks about NETCONF specific operations. > > Is this actually necessary? Can the purpose of the config statement > > not be describ

Re: [netmod] 6020bis extensions

2015-10-15 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
d for a certain node, I think we want the server to implement the semantics implied by nacm:default-deny-write regardless which tool the developer used. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax

Re: [netmod] 6020bis extensions

2015-10-16 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 07:19:14PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 09:19:45AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > > > > Conf

Re: [netmod] About correlation between snmp alarms and yang structures

2015-10-16 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
> sender by return e-mail, Thanks. > > [rispetta l'ambiente]Rispetta l'ambiente. Non stampare questa mail se non ? > necessario. > > ___ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.iet

Re: [netmod] Order of evaluation for when?

2015-10-19 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 08:22:25AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Ladislav Lhotka <lho...@nic.cz> wrote: > > > > > > On 18 Oct 2015, at 11:52, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > &g

Re: [netmod] 6020bis extensions

2015-10-19 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 02:22:57PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > Hi - > > >From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> > >Sent: Oct 18, 2015 5:52 AM > >To: Martin Bjorklund <m...@tail-f.com> > >Cc: a...@yumaworks.com, randy_pres...@

Re: [netmod] 6020bis extensions

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
a tool does not support a particular extension, which appears in a YANG module as an unknown-statement (see Section 14), the entire unknown-statement MAY be ignored by the tool. Irrespective of this, the semantics associated with an extension MUST be implemented whenever an extension sta

Re: [netmod] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-02 (until 2015-10-22)

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
find a compromise.) So my proposal is to replace the entire paragraph with: Due care has to be exercised when introducing annotations in network management systems in order to avoid interoperability problems and software failures. The following aspects should be taken into account: /js

Re: [netmod] review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-07 (except 9. built-in types)

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
he device or whether the device uses a default which happens to be the default that the data model used by the server defines. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax:

Re: [netmod] 6020bis extensions

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 01:50:12AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < > j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 07:49:06PM -0700, Randy Presuhn wrote: > > > Hi - > > >

Re: [netmod] Order of evaluation for when?

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
ve. I am likely missing details since I never implemented this but having a processing logic that is simple to understand would be good and I think it is fair to expect that clients send edits that do not require the server to guess what should happen. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jac

Re: [netmod] review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6020bis-07 (section 9. built-in types)

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
out something like CBOR, would you still base64 encode the binary value? I do not think so. Within the YANG context, we represent binary values as base64 encoded strings but on the wire we might do something more efficient in a binary encoding. /js -- Juer

Re: [netmod] 6020bis extensions

2015-10-17 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 11:19:00AM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 07:19:14PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < &

Re: [netmod] 6020bis extensions

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 02:17:46PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 01:50:12AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder < &

Re: [netmod] Order of evaluation for when?

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 02:21:22PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 06:03:57PM +0200, Martin Bjorklund wrote: > > > > > > Ok, you're right. 8.2.1 shoul

Re: [netmod] 6020bis extensions

2015-10-18 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 03:07:22PM +0200, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > > > On 18 Oct 2015, at 10:53, Juergen Schoenwaelder > > <j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 01:50:12AM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote: > >>

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