No more available space
I am using NetSurf 3.9 from the RODirect version of RO 5.26. When I try to download newer builds from https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ it says "The disc has no more available space". This is nonsense, there are gigabytes available. Can anyone diagnose what is going on here? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: 3.9 Release
In message <20190702150402.gn14...@kyllikki.org> Vincent Sanders wrote: >I will try again to release sometime this week but again I ask for >some *feedback* . I have had literally two replies (one should have >been a bug report but at least it was activity) and I hope there are >more than two people other than the developers using the CI builds! I use the CI builds. I update NetSurf to the latest build as part of a regular routine when I fire up RISC OS (RO 5.24 on rpi3b). I use Chrome under Rasbpian for reaching parts of the internet that NetSurf cannot cope with. But the more that NetSurf can do the better. I am not clear what feedback would be useful to you. Every now and then I see a message saying that some piece of layout does not work on some site, and sometimes out of curiosity I browse the site with NetSurf to see if my version does the same. How often are the Development Progress pages updated? It is particularly useful to know what CSS works and what does not. But I am aware that you must be having a difficult time with lack of manpower, and I am reluctant to pester you with trivia that might take precious time to respond to. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: launching a PDF from a link
In message <570f5c0542...@timil.com> Tim Hill wrote: >In article , Richard Porter > wrote: >I'm expecting to find a utility somewhere which will monitor a specific >folder and filer_run anything saved there but having no luck so far. Talk of monitoring implies something that runs as a task and which stores the state of the folder and only acts when it notes that the state has changed. For a lot less effort you could have a utility that you start yourself, say by doubleclicking on its icon, that simply filer_runs whatever appropriate stuff it finds in the folder. But maybe the whole point of what you are looking for is that it acts automatically without the user having to start it? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: URL lengths
In message <56a1b699dcjoh...@ukgateway.net>
John Williams <joh...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
> In article <0612b1a156.ga...@wra1th.plus.com>,
> Gavin Wraith <ga...@wra1th.plus.com> wrote:
> So you're suggesting that I measure each URL length first, perhaps BGETting
> it until I encounter a terminator, and then DIM a variable accordingly -
> or, actually, a series of concatenating variables as I intend to BPUT them
> later; so I don't really need to have a long variable, just a series of
> suitable GET variables.
Not BGET. You do not need to work byte by byte. Why not GET$?
It is a long time ago since I used BASIC.
Do you know about StrongED scripts? Here is one that replaces the text
in a StrongED window by a list of the URLs occurring in it, ignoring duplicates.
Here it is:
#! lua
local pat, used ="(https?://[^%s\t]+)", { }
for line in io.lines (arg[1]) do
for url in line:gmatch (pat) do
if not used[url] then
print (url)
used[url] = true
end -- if
end -- for
end -- for
--
Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com)
Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: URL lengths
In message <56a1aa7e00joh...@ukgateway.net> John Williams <joh...@ukgateway.net> wrote: > What is the maximum URL length (including POST data) that NetSurf can > handle? >From a quick glance at the NetSurf 3.7 sources I would guess that the answer rather depends on which platform, and then on the particular machine NetSurf is running on. If your menu program is in BBC BASIC I would DIM buffers for URLs from the heap as you need them. In C I would use alloc. In Lua, Python or PERL all that is done for you anyway, and you do not need to think about maximum string lengths. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Page causes crash
In message <56932513adli...@torrens.org> "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org> wrote: > Does this happen to anyone else? > RO 5.23 (29-Jun-16) > NS 3.8 (Dev CI #4238) and earlier versions for some time. Displays fine for me. Rpi3, RO 5.23 (13-April-17), NS 3.8 (Dev CI #4238) -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Redraw oddity
In message <563d1ee6d9li...@torrens.org> "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org> wrote: > https://www.quora.com/Where-does-iPhoto-store-photos-locally > > At first this displays a blank page. But wipe over it with another > window... > > Does anyone else get the same behaviour? > > 3.7 (Dev CI #4086) on ARMX6 5.23 > (29-Jun-16) Yes. 3.7 (Dev CI #4086, Javascript OFF) on Rpi2 5.23 (16-May-17) -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
archivepix
Using NetSurf #3782 on RO 5.23 on Rpi2. I note that the last few issues of NetSurf do not seem to be able to process http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html in a reasonable amount of time. Some loop somewhere? Chrome on Raspbian on Rpi3 displays it almost instantaneously. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: css
In message <55d122c0cdli...@torrens.org.uk> "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org.uk> wrote: >The latest Netsurf 3.6 (Dev CI #3739) appears to be ignoring css. Does >anyone else find this? I cannot say that I have noticed it. Can you give us a URL frinstance? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: online phone book
Dear Jim In message <c0d16f7a55@abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: >Jim Nagel wrote on 28 Apr: >> Can anybody point me to a free online telephone directory that works >> on Netsurf? > >None? This arrived same time as your originating post. Had a look at the textual source of the page to which http://thephonebook.bt.com immerdiately switches you, namely of http://www.thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/index.publisha It is a load of Javascript, no doubt mandated by google, advertisers, business partners et al, which gets you to choose an initial letter for the locality whose code you want. Say that was 'X'. Then it takes you to http://thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/search/uk_codes/index.byname.publisha?Character=X which gives a page showing a list of choices. Click on one and you get its local dialling code. If you try http://thephonebook.bt.com/publisha.content/en/search/residential/advanced.publisha you will get a page that NetSurf can cope with that asks you to input information: surname, initial, town etc. When I entered your name, and "Glastonbury" it told me J Nagel Tel: (01458) 833603 32 Norbins Rd, Glastonbury, BA6 9JG Hope this helps. I would be amazed if pleas for a Javascript-free interface did not fall upon deaf ears. It is a thin unnecessary veneer. But using the info embedded in the page, as above, you may be able to bypass it all. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Filtering webpages
It is some years ago that Fred Graute added scriptability to StrongED, using the 'apply' icon. It enables one to alter what is displayed in a StrongED window by dragging a script to that icon. There are often occasions when one would like to massage webpages displayed in a browser. At present one has to save out the displayed page's textual source to StrongED, drag in the script to do the massaging, save the result as an HTML file and then display that result in the browser. It would be nice if this process could be simplified and done entirely within the browser, without having to-and-fro between browser and StrongED. A typically useful script is one that removes all the source starting
Re: 2 sites that don't!
In message <09d3064855@abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel <nets...@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote: >Did that on the first web page. Got a security warning from StrongEd >about "process"; I said "allow always". >Then "File name '.in' not recognised". Sounds like !StrongED$ScrapDir has not been set. See the line Set StrongED$Script_Outfile <StrongED$ScrapDir>.in in !StrongED.Defaults.Tools.!ScriptSED.Tools.Despatch . -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Filtering webpages
In message <55480e2bfeli...@torrens.org.uk> "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org.uk> wrote: >NS has choices: >Hide advertisements >Disable pop-up windows >Disable JavaScript > >These, I would guess, tell it to ignore such content. It is then filtering >exactly as you seem to want! These are desirable but not general enough for my purposes. >So I guess you are asking for a throwback icon, to throw the source out to >an external editor, where it can be processed and returned back to NS? Exactly. I seem to remember using a browser on an Acorn machine, many years ago, that gave you the option of not displaying images unless you specifically clicked on the icon that the browser used to indicate a missing image. I would also like to be able to discriminate content by source URL and to give permissions for which should be blocked or which allowed through. But I suspect that this requires filtering at the packet level. My feeling is that the majority of the public have little idea about what is going on when they use the internet, as opposed to the businesses which would like to exploit their ignorance. Web savvy programmers produce the websites and also the browsers. I would like to see users take back, or be given back (by appropriate tools) more control over this predator/prey scenario. It is a question of freedom. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: 2 sites that don't!
In message <5547fb845eli...@torrens.org.uk> "Richard Torrens (lists)" <li...@torrens.org.uk> wrote: >http://www.catbehaviourist.com/sure-feed-microchip-pet-feeder-review/ > >http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/cat_bowls_feeders/feeders/programmable/479534?gclid=CImfsqu3x8oCFUORGwodHCUFYQ > >Both display very badly. First site all text is hidden. The source is very >over-complicated, so I can't see why. I have a useful little Lua script, called noscript, for use with StrongED that strips out all the stuff between matching and tags. Here it is: #! lua io.input (arg[1]) local text = io.read "*all" io.input ( ) local pat = "<script[^<]*" io.write ((text:gsub (pat, ""))) Using it on the text of the first webpage produces source for a leaner webpage that reveals the hidden text. Here is the procedure: 1. Page->View Source in NetSurf 2. Save to some scrap directory. 3. Shift-click to load into StrongED 4. Shift-Drag noscript to apply icon. 5. Save the result and change its type to HTML. It would be nice if NetSurf could have an apply icon like StrongED, which could make a single drag action suffice. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: #2988 hanging
In message <35e4e54c747.0d53d...@davehigton.me.uk> Dave Higton <d...@davehigton.me.uk> wrote: >There's another point worth making here. If you think NS has >crashed, use Alt-Break. Note: NEVER use Ctrl-Break, various >RISC OS luminaries class it as Evil and say it Breaks Discs. Thanks very much for this. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
#2988 hanging
Twice in succession now I have found that NetSurf #2988, with Javascript disabled, hangs when I try to browse http://kenodoxia.blogspot.com/ . This is on an Rpi 2 with RO 5.23. When I switch on again I check the SD card with DiscKnight. On the first occasion there were 9 faults. Mend them with DiscKnight and try again. The same happens, but the second time there were 11 faults. After mending the second time I recheck the SD card. SD card OK. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Saving Choices
I have noticed that Disable JavaScript appears not to be saved in Choices$Write.WWW.NetSurf.Choices. Is that right? Using NS 3.4 #2876 -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Cookies
Should anybody want it, I have a RiscLua program (26 lines) to display NetSurf cookie files in a more readable form. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Which font does NetSurf use?
When NetSurf renders the character pi (#960;) how does it choose which font to use? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
RE: Malformed site (partly OT).
In message 6fc6549854.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 19 Feb 2015, Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:01:50 GMT Peter Young wrote: I maintain the website of the local branch of the Multiple Sclerosis Society, at www.mssociety.org.uk/cheltenham (NB I am only responsible for the content, not the formatting). From time to time the site gets seriously malformed in RISC OS NetSurf, and then a few days later goes back to what is should be. Screenshots of this are at http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/Chrome.jpg as it should be in Chrome on Windows and http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/NetSurf.jpg as it was yesterday in NetSurf #2600, but it's back to how it should be this morning! Same NetSurf build. Isn't this what happens when a site doesn't respond quickly enough and Netsurf times out getting later parts of the site? Netsurf has displayed the page without waiting for the css files to download. Adjust-clicking Netsurf's Reload button may fix it. I have seen the same effect viewing other sites with NetSurf. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: NetSurf-gcc-json-2553
In message 8b848d5df38.0c9fd...@davehigton.me.uk Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 09:35:49 GMT Gavin Wraith wrote: In message 8a7f807ccd2.0bf3d...@davehigton.me.uk Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote: Brian and Gavin, would you be able and willing to try CI versions 2541 and 2542 with that site? I suspect you'll find that 2541 is OK and 2542 not. Yes, that is just what I found - with Rpi RO 5.21. I will revert to using 2541. The evidence suggests that something went wrong between 2541 and 2542, and has remained wrong since. I see that Michael Drake is on the case, so I'm sure it won't be long before it's resolved. Many thanks. I like NetSurf and I am grateful for the team's continuing efforts. I usually use the latest test version, with an older version kept as reserve in case of trouble. Trouble is infrequent, but that might be a reflection of the more limited scope of my browsing habits. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: NetSurf-gcc-json-2553
In message 8a7f807ccd2.0bf3d...@davehigton.me.uk Dave Higton d...@davehigton.me.uk wrote: Brian and Gavin, would you be able and willing to try CI versions 2541 and 2542 with that site? I suspect you'll find that 2541 is OK and 2542 not. Yes, that is just what I found - with Rpi RO 5.21. I will revert to using 2541. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
NetSurf-gcc-json-2553
NetSurf-gcc-json-2553 crashes on http://www.independent.co.uk/ , with Javascript disabled in choices. Platform RPi (RO 5.21). -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
NetSurf #2554
NetSurf-gcc-json-2553 crashes on http://www.independent.co.uk/ , with Javascript disabled in choices. Platform RPi (RO 5.21). Ditto for #2554. However 3.2 is OK. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Page timeout
In message 0005d763.01ffd4901...@smtp.freeola.net Peter Slegg p.sl...@scubadivers.co.uk wrote: When I tried the page below it just times-out and never renders any of the page, it didn't even leave Bing, where I found the link. https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays Does it do this for anyone else ? Works fine for me - NetSurf 3.3 #2509. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
routers
Do there exist any routers which can be controlled by NetSurf? I have an old Belkin F5D7632-4 router. As far as I know it cannot be configured from RISC OS. But my XP notebook, which I usually use to configure the router, seems to be behaving strangely. It can take five minutes for a webpage on the router to load, whether I am using wireless or an ethernet cable to connect the two machines. Something has to be wrong, but what? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Selecting text gone crazy
In message f873582b54.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk John Rickman Iyonix rick...@argonet.co.uk wrote: #2023 when I try to select some text as soon as I click on the page everything from the click to the end of the article is highlit. This has been happening since at least #1980 Is anyone else seeing this? (Iyonix 9 July) No, a click deselects, for me. Hard to select in the first place. (Rpi RC12 RISC OS 22 July) -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: beautiful wikipedia design
In message 555ab2f753@abbeypress.net Jim Nagel nets...@abbeypress.co.uk wrote: Gavin Wraith wrote on 7 Apr: Netsurf #1785 crashes on http://www.fastcodesign.com/3028615/the-beautiful-wikipedia-design-tha t-almost-was Displays OK here on #1718, except that (after introductory section) the left of all text is lost off the edge of the page. I can't tell how much is missing -- maybe half an inch? Has that flaw been cured in later builds of Netsurf? Displays OK, once you have scrolled past the black top section, in NetSurf #1793. Hmm, I wanted just now to reopen that page for another look, to see how wide a window would result from the RiscOS toggle size button. (It's NOT the full width of screen.) Went to Netsurf history, thinking that would be quicker than fetching from the net -- Netsurf crashed. I think the page toggles to almost the full 1920 pixels horizontally of my monitor. -- Gavin Wraith
Re: version 1773
So I deleted Choices:WWW.NetSurf quit and re-ran NetSurf and the problem went away. By Jove, it works for me too. Actually I did not delete all of Choices:WWW.NetSurf . Instead I created Choices:WWW.NetSurf.Cache by hand and that seemed to do the trick. Maybe there is a buglet in utils/filename.c filename_create_directory 524: not overriding access permissions? -- Gavin Wraith
beautiful wikipedia design
Netsurf #1785 crashes on http://www.fastcodesign.com/3028615/the-beautiful-wikipedia-design-that-almost-w as -- Gavin Wraith
Re: beautiful wikipedia design
In message 53f4918740bbai...@argonet.co.uk Brian bbai...@argonet.co.uk wrote: In article a0108cf453.ga...@gavin.wra1th.plus.com, Gavin Wraith ga...@wra1th.plus.com wrote: Netsurf #1785 crashes on http://www.fastcodesign.com/3028615/the-beautiful-wikipedia-design-tha t-almost-w as It doesn't here. Actually, it was not going to this site directly that crashed NetSurf but clicking the link from Ars Technica in Ars Editor's Picks. -- Gavin Wraith
Re: Version 1773
In message 67fa98ef53.tig...@bc63.orpheusinternet.co.uk Nick Roberts tig...@orpheusinternet.co.uk wrote: In message b1218def53.ga...@gavin.wra1th.plus.com Gavin Wraith ga...@wra1th.plus.com wrote: In message 17ab86ef53.pitt...@iyonix.home David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote: In message 53ef83643ach...@chris-johnson.org.uk cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: Is anyone using the latest build (1773) on an Iyonix? Here, it crashes on startup with a stack backtrace, no log produced. No such problem here with #1773 on this Iyonix running OS5.21 (28-Mar-14). Nor here. BUT pressing F8 or attempting to select Page-View Source... both cause errors. In fact this has been wrong for quite a while now. Sorry I cannot say at which build this ceased to work properly. No problem with view source for me (Iyonix ARMini, both 5.20). NetSurf #1773 on Raspberry Pi 5.21. Pressing F8 or selecting Page-View Source... works OK on local webpages. Otherwise selecting Page-View Source... yields an error message NetSurf is running out of memory ... and pressing F8 yields An unexpected error occurred: Not found. -- Gavin Wraith
Re: Version 1773
In message 17ab86ef53.pitt...@iyonix.home David Pitt pit...@pittdj.co.uk wrote: In message 53ef83643ach...@chris-johnson.org.uk cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: Is anyone using the latest build (1773) on an Iyonix? Here, it crashes on startup with a stack backtrace, no log produced. No such problem here with #1773 on this Iyonix running OS5.21 (28-Mar-14). Nor here. BUT pressing F8 or attempting to select Page-View Source... both cause errors. In fact this has been wrong for quite a while now. Sorry I cannot say at which build this ceased to work properly. -- Gavin Wraith
Bad archive
NetSurf 3.1 (Dev CI #1681-9) all give bad archive when I try to unzip. The relevant files appear to be !Help, !Run and !RunImage. Is this just me? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Full save ignores comment tags
In message be73ccc553.r...@user.minijem.plus.com you wrote: It would appear that doing a full save will save images even if their image tags have been commented out. Of course the comment delimiters will be left in the html. I also noticed that if two instances of the same image appear on a page using exactly the same URL, they are saved as two separate files. Netsurf saves the inventory so this could be avoided. Just wondering of this behaviour is a) deliberate and b) desirable? The reason is that I commented out some lines specifically to avoid getting duplicate images and it didn't work. A long while ago I wrote an application, FewerGif, for removing redundant gif files produced by TechWriter/EasiWriter when it exports a document to HTML (see http://www.wra1th.plus.com/sundry.html ). This could fairly easily be generalised to work for the results of a full save, with any kind of image. Whether it is worth the effort is another matter. FewerGif uses certain facts about Lua: a) files of any size can be loaded as strings and b) string comparison is very fast, being just a pointer-comparison. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Grey page
In message 53c32539bdstuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk you wrote: Although the home page http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/default.aspx appears to disply correctly, trying to go to any other page results in a completly grey page NetSurf 3.1 (Dev C1 #1556) Works OK for me. I note that all the pages have a grey background which is displayed first before the rest is rendered. Are you waiting long enough? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
NetSurf friendly alternative to GoogleGroups?
Is there a NetSurf friendly alternative to GoogleGroups? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Hooks for helper applications
Does NetSurf broadcast wimp messages that could be used by helper applications? It would be nice to be be able to set keys for entering usernames and passwords dynamically; a message giving the url of the page that currently has the input focus would be useful. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Remember this password
Using Firefox on a Windows XP machine I sometimes encounter websites where, when you have to provide a username and password, these are automatically filled in for you. I do not know whether this feature is provided just by the browser or by the browser's interaction with a helper application in Windows. Does NetSurf for RISC OS supply any hooks, wimp messages or whatever, whereby such a feature could be provided using a helper application? If not, then maybe some approximation could be kludged using function keys. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Unicode on local pages
In message 3e10b8ff52.mar...@blueyonder.co.uk you wrote: The following bytes were arranged on 16 Dec 2012 by Gavin Wraith : With NetSurf #739. If I browse http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0173%3Atext%3DSym. it displays OK. If I save or do a full save of the page, and then browse the resulting local page the Greek text displays as garbage. Why is there a difference? This question's come up before. It's probably because, when you fetch the file over HTTP, the server knows it's in UTF-8 and tells NetSurf so, but when you load a local file, RISC OS doesn't tell NetSurf what encoding it's in and so NetSurf is reduced to guesswork. Presumably whatever encoding it defaults to is not the correct one in your case. Thanks. I will have a look at the header and if necessary stick in the right cantrap. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Javascript and Fonts
In message c66cfdfe52.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk you wrote: Peter Young wrote Looks more complete on linux raspberry Pi Chromium Chromium browser. On RISC OS the accented characters appear as hex couplets. It's all Greek here (and Greek to me!) on an ARMini, RISC OS 5.19. Perhaps you don't have the necessary font? Probably:-( I have DoulosSIL which I thought was a comprehensive Unicode font. But among other things, it does not appear to have a glyph for: Greek Small Letter Iota with acute accent U+03AF What font are you using? That is part of what I am trying to find out! I have not added any fonts to the Raspberry Pi RISC OS distro so I presume it is one of the new fonts it provides in !Fonts. Maybe FreeMono, FreeSans, . I tried altering the names of some of these, to see if I could get RUfl to make different choices of font - after all there are probably masses of installed fonts for NetSurf to choose from when it is asked to display a particular glyph - but, when I rebooted, NetSurf bottled out with an error message about not being able to initialize the Unicode fonts. My problems concern \pi and \mu being rendered bold. It would be nice if RUfl_cache held its data in text form. Then a) we could read it to see which font was being used for which glyph, and b) we could edit it to get some control over how NetSurf shows text. Or at least, I presume so. Glad to be corrected if I have this upside down, by somebody knows how RUfl works. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Javascript and Fonts
In message 550806ff52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk you wrote: What font are you using? Experimentation has indicated that it is the Exo font on the Rpi which is causing overheavy /Delta and /pi glyphs. My only problem now is getting rid of the overheavy /mu. Apart from that Greek text is rendered quite elegantly, diacritics and all, but finding which fonts are responsible will need further work. I am getting the same display on Rpi and Iyonix, which have different fonts installed, so I can probably rule out the fonts that do not appear on both. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Javascript and Fonts
In message 44d50eff52.wra...@wra1th.plus.com you wrote: In message 550806ff52.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk you wrote: What font are you using? Experimentation has indicated that it is the Exo font on the Rpi which is causing overheavy /Delta and /pi glyphs. My only problem now is getting rid of the overheavy /mu. Apart from that Greek text is rendered quite elegantly, diacritics and all, but finding which fonts are responsible will need further work. I am getting the same display on Rpi and Iyonix, which have different fonts installed, so I can probably rule out the fonts that do not appear on both. I have now removed _all_ the fonts from SDFS::RISCOSpi.$.!Boot.Resources.!Fonts apart from System, but the page http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0173%3Atext%3DSym. is still rendered OK by NetSurf with all the Greek text fine apart for the bold /mu problem. Can I take it that this has to be a fault with the fonts Corpus, Homerton and Trinity in Resources:$.Fonts somewhere? I must say, I did not know that these had been extended to unicode. Pity about the wrong style /mu if this is in the official Rpi distro. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Unicode on local pages
With NetSurf #739. If I browse http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0173%3Atext%3DSym. it displays OK. If I save or do a full save of the page, and then browse the resulting local page the Greek text displays as garbage. Why is there a difference? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Unicode on local pages
NetSurf 3 #739 Altering fonts using the Fonts dialog in Choices.. from the iconbar seems to have no effect on unicode text. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
per site user css
I was grateful to read about Choices:WWW.NetSurf.User. Is there any way to make css instructions conditional on the site being browsed? A mechanism that could be used for sites likely to be browsed by RISC OS browsers might be to dedicate a system variable. So, for the riscos.info site, for example, if its pages had a line in the header: link rel=stylesheet href=file:///ro_info$style type=text/css / the user could simply set the system variable ro_info$style at bootup to be the pathname of the stylefile to be used. This method appears to work. Whether it is a sensible idea, or a feasible idea, is another matter. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: User feedback requested
Platform: RISC OS
using netsurf-2012-10-02_09-33-37/zip
RO 5.18 on Iyonix
Fault: NetSurf has to quit after rendering http://www.independent.co.uk/
I have an error log file. Tried sending it but complaints about
size of attachment. Last few lines:
(30.89) render/html.c html_convert_css_callback 1425: stylesheet
file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/User failed: UnacceptableType
(30.89) render/html.c html_convert_css_callback 1429: 0 fetches active
...
Fatal signal received: Segmentation fault
Stack backtrace:
Running thread 0x6a32c8
( 6abee4) pc: 528d64 lr:8a6d0 sp: 6abee8 __write_backtrace()
( 6abf10) pc:8a634 lr: 5295ac sp: 6abf14 ^ro_gui_signal()
( 6abf38) pc: 52959c lr: 5293d0 sp: 6abf3c __unixlib_exec_sig()
( 6abfa0) pc: 528e88 lr: 529bb0 sp: 6abfa4 __unixlib_raise_signal()
( 6abfb0) pc: 529ab4 lr:1d648 sp: 6aabc8 __h_cback()
Register dump at 006abfb4:
a1: 74786574 a2:5 a3:0 a4:0
v1:0 v2: 61bd4888 v3:0 v4: 6aacf4
v5:1 v6: 61bd4888 sl: 6aa208 fp: 6aabd4
ip: 6aabd8 sp: 6aabc8 lr:1d648 pc:11908
cpsr: 2010
000118f4 : ..» : bb149919 : BLLT00537D60
000118f8 : ..Pã : e350 : CMP R0,#0
000118fc : : 0a03 : BEQ 00011910
00011900 : ..å : e590 : LDR R0,[R0,#0]
00011904 : ..Pã : e350 : CMP R0,#0
00011908 : ... : 1590 : LDRNE R0,[R0,#0]
0001190c : .¨.é : e91ba800 : LDMDB R11,{R11,R13,PC}
00011910 : Q? ã : e3a03f51 : MOV R3,#0144 ; =324
00011914 : .0â : e2833001 : ADD R3,R3,#1
( 6aabd4) pc:118f0 lr:1d648 sp: 6aabd8
hlcache_handle_get_content()
( 6aabe4) pc:1d63c lr:590a0 sp: 6aabe8 nscss_get_stylesheet()
( 6aac54) pc:5900c lr:594a0 sp: 6aac58 html_finish_conversion()
( 6aac98) pc:593d0 lr:11ff8 sp: 6aac9c
^html_convert_css_callback()
( 6aad6c) pc:11f80 lr:12548 sp: 6aad70 ^hlcache_migrate_ctx()
( 6aade8) pc:12374 lr:134d4 sp: 6aadec ^hlcache_llcache_callback()
( 6aae1c) pc:13358 lr:13da0 sp: 6aae20
^llcache_object_notify_users()
( 6aae34) pc:13d78 lr:125f4 sp: 6aae38 llcache_poll()
( 6aae44) pc:125e8 lr:344b8 sp: 6aae48 hlcache_poll()
( 6aae5c) pc:34490 lr:8b284 sp: 6aae60 netsurf_main_loop()
( 6aafe8) pc:8ab9c lr: 5379c0 sp: 6aafec main()
I have no file called User in Choices:WWW/NetSurf. Could that be the problem?
So I made a copy of Choices:WWW/NetSurf/Choices and called it User. Still no go
but log file now
ends with
(117.13) render/html.c html_convert_css_callback 1419: 1 fetches active
(117.13) riscos/filetype.c fetch_filetype 84: unix_path =
'Choices:WWW.NetSurf.User'
(117.13) riscos/filetype.c fetch_filetype 93: riscos path
'Choices:WWW.NetSurf.User'
(117.14) render/html.c html_convert_css_callback 1425: stylesheet
file:///Choices:WWW/NetSurf/User failed: UnacceptableType
(117.14) render/html.c html_convert_css_callback 1429: 0 fetches active
So should Choices:WWW/NetSurf/User be a directory? I tried setting some
preferences but
no such directory got created. At this point I think I need some advice before
experimenting
further.
--
Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com)
Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: User feedback requested
netsurf-2012-10-02_20-23-02/zip now working OK with http://www.independent.co.uk/ . -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
front end: RISC OS OS version:5.18 problem: freeze while scrolling through http://www.independent.co.uk/ download file: netsurf-2012-09-28_19-54-37/zip Note that POPstar was not running - so no clash with other fetchers. So far freezes seem to happen after just the slightest scrolling down the page; sometimes after quite lengthy and varied browsing, sometimes, as in this case, on the first page opened (so doubtful if any gc can have taken place). This apparent randomness gives me the hunch that it has something to do with buffers being allocated where they should not be, but maybe such a comment is unhelpful without any evidence. Sometimes pressing the reset button works - sometimes I have to toggle the on/off switch at the back. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
front end: RISC OS OS version:5.18 problem: freeze while scrolling through https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1321 download file: netsurf-2012-09-28_19-54-37/zip It certainly feels faster than 2.9. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
height attribute in CSS
I have come across a difference between the way NetSurf 2.9 (on
an Iyonix) and Firefox 15 (on an XP notebook) treat the CSS
height attribute.
The way NetSurf does it gives the display I want, and I am trying
to figure out how to make Firefox do the same.
My webpages are to be in three columns, with the leftside and rightside
columns being narrow vertical graphics (that are links), with the content
in the middle column.
The relevant CSS contains the following:
#leftside, #rightside
{
position: absolute;
top: 0;
width: 70px;
height: 100%;
background-repeat: repeat-y;
background-position: 0% 0%;
text-decoration: none;
}
#leftside
{
left: 0;
background-image: url(images/background/lpage.png);
}
#rightside
{
right: 0;
background-image: url(images/background/rpage.png);
}
.content
{
position: relative;
width: auto;
left: 70px;
right: 70px;
padding-right: 100px;
}
The trouble is that Firefox seems to be interpreting height: 100%;
as 100% of the height of the graphics screen, so as soon as you
scroll Firefox's window it becomes apparent that the lefthand and
righthand columns are not extending to the bottom of the middle column.
Am I making an idiotic mistake somewhere and NetSurf is being more
forgiving than Firefox? Has anybody else encountered this?
--
Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com)
Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
CSS height attribute
I found out how to get the effect I wanted both in NetSurf and in Firefox by avoiding the height attribute. I put everything inside a containing box and for the left- and right-hand columns set the attributes top and bottom to 0. Then their heights get sucked to that of the middle column. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: configuring default a:link colour??
In message 9c6dc76b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com you wrote: I have looked in the configure window and failed to spot a means of setting the default a:link colour. Can it be done? Edit the CSS files in !NetSurf.Resources ? Not sure which has precedence in the cascade. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Serious? bug saving - always crashes on second save
In message 526b62c928ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk you wrote: In article 796c566b52.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com, Roger Darlington roger...@freeuk.com wrote: Save only, not full save. There is no 'Full Save' in the Save SaveAs bit... I am totally confused. Netsurf menu over page gives Menu with pagesave and pagefull save. Both give a save as dialogue, and both work to save multiple times. Looks like cross-purposes to me. Am I right in thinking that only NetSurf-for-RISC OS has Full Save (but no SaveAs) and that NetSurf-for- anything-else has SaveAs but no Full save? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Documentation
I note that the documentation page of the NetSurf site says last updated 2 January 2007. I hope I am not being a nuisance in enquiring whether there is any prospect of the :hover pseudoclass being implemented for the RISC OS version any time soon. It is just that there are so many useful features for web pages, such as tooltips, that can be implemented with it. It would be good to be able to see these on a RISC OS browser. Apologies if I am overlooking more recent information. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
r11851 bombs on .txt files
It seems that r11851 bombs on fetching .txt files by clicking Select on the link,but SHIFT-Select lets one download them. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
ip address funny with r10709
When I enter an ip address number, in this case www.89.238.129.34, Netsurf r10709 says domain name www.89.238.129.34 not found. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Viewing box outlines
I am happy to see the SHIFT-F11 function for viewing box outlines. How does one turn it off? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Viewing box outlines
In message 8ed4de1951.r...@user.minijem.plus.com you wrote: On 19 May 2010 Gavin Wraith wrote: I am happy to see the SHIFT-F11 function for viewing box outlines. How does one turn it off? SHIFT-F11 Thanks. I tried that and it did not work, but now I know that it was a dodgy SHIFT key that was the trouble. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
9764 grabs all the free memory
NetSurf 9764 appears to grab all the free memory once it has downloaded http://slashdot.org/ , making it impossible to use. On RO 5.14. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: 9764 grabs all the free memory
In message 92c13ad150...@rickman.argonet.co.uk you wrote: NetSurf 9764 appears to grab all the free memory once it has downloaded http://slashdot.org/ , making it impossible to use. On RO 5.14. It isn't just 9764 - the same thing happens on the current stable release 2.1 (23 may 2009). Oh dear! Does anybody have any recommendations about how far back to go to get more reasonable behaviour. What about release 2.0? -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Building NetSurf on RISC OS
Thanks for the tip about make 3.81. I overwrote the make binary in GCC (3.4.6 r3) with the make in !NSTools.bin and everything compiled for me too. It took about 20mins on the Iyonix. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Speed of loading NetSurf
In message 28366c6250.roger...@rogerarm.freeuk.com you wrote: Loading/Running NetSurf (on an Iyonix at least) seems to take 30 seconds whereas running Oregano2 takes less that 3 seconds. [I am not including the time that NetSurf, when first run, uses looking at all the fonts]. That is odd. For me (NetSurf r7590, Iyonix RO 5.14) from clicking on !NetSurf's icon to the appearance of its iconbar icon takes under a second. Or were you referring to the time it takes to download a particular webpage? I find that that depends upon the vagaries of the internet - time for domain-name lookup, etc - and the size of the page. -- Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: Spurious
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: On 11 Aug 2008 Kevin Wells wrote: It is definitely not mismatched and but I have narrowed down the problem. One of the forms has an 'action' attribute which, including encoded ampersands, quotes, etc. is 257 characters long. If I move the closing onto the next line the problem goes away. Other tweaks caused the following table to be corrupted. I suspect that the new parser is getting phased by the long string. What about lt; ? By the way, you mean fazed by the long string. Same in sound 'phase' and 'faze' may be, but not in meaning. -- Gavin Wraith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Sub/superscripts and Awstats
Could the sub/superscript inversion be related to the fact that NetSurf currently shows Awstats histograms upside down? This bug (either base line or vertical orientation wrong for inline graphics) was cured way back, but seems to have crept back in. -- Gavin Wraith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
separator icon
Apologies if this has been raised before, but I could not find a search facility for the maillist archive. When it comes to editing the toolbar, the separator icon is hard to pick up, if you do not know it is there, seeing that its whole purpose is to be invisible. This suggests that on the editbar the separator icon should be represented by something else of the same size; perhaps by a pseparator icon? Or is this already implemented but the theme I am using does not know about it? -- Gavin Wraith ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
