Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Jan-Jaap van der Geer]

Michael Drake  wrote:

> On 16/12/15 14:27, Jan-Jaap van der Geer wrote:

> > I can reproduce this, but I don't think it's related to my
> > problem. I do not get an error, it just starts NetSurf and no
> > page is loaded.

> Can you reproduce your problem with the NetSurf 3.3 release
> version?

My problem, the one where uridispatch starts the browser but does
not open the website, also fails in NS 3.3. NS 3.3 seems to always
open a window with file:///NetSurf:/Resources/en/welcome.html in
it, so that opens, but since it always does that, it's not part of
the problem.

So it does not seem to be version dependent.

(I've recently become more active on RISC OS again, so this may
well be a problem that has been there for some time. Strange that
I'm the only one experiencing it though!)

The other problem, with multiple URIDispatch in one line, also
behaves identical in NS 3.3.

Cheers,
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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Steve Fryatt]

On 16 Dec, Brian wrote in message
<5532ee3585bbai...@argonet.co.uk>:

> In article <73bae93255.jan-j...@armx6.gmx.com>,
>Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:
> > Brian  wrote:
> 
> > > Not wishing to cause confusion, but why would one wish to work that
> > > way, as above? Don't get it at the moment.
> 
> > I don't want to work that way, but this is more or less the way
> > Messenger and other applications open links. So by reproducing the
> > problem with URIDispatch I take Messenger out of the loop, we know it
> > hasn't anything to do with Messenger.
>
> OK, thanks, Jan-Jaap, understood. Got me worried there. I'll stick with
> Pluto.

Pluto will very likely be doing exactly the same behind the scenes.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Allan Bennett]

In message <50cad93255.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
  Peter Young  wrote:

> On 16 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

>> Brian  wrote:

>>> In article , Peter Young
>>>  wrote:

 No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a
 link in Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open
 anyway. Sorry not to be helpful!

>>> Also, perhaps not very helpful, clicking on a link in Pluto, so
>>> far as I can remember, always works here.

>> Are we talking about the same thing here?

> Possibly not. I was referring to double-clicking an HTML file on my
> hard disc. However ...

>> - Quit NetSurf
>> - Open a taskwindow
>> - Enter:
>>   *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

>> What happens?

>> I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with www.ikke.no.

> ... and I've tried that, using both http://www.ikke.no/ and
> www.google.co.uk in a taskwindow, with NetSurf not running, and in
> both cases NetSurf loads and the page is opened.

I have an obey file on my pinboard containing several (6) *uridispatch 
commands. This worked OK until the RO 5.23 upgrade, after which an 
error occurred for all but one website from the list - at which point 
!Netsurf loaded and so did the one site. Loading the AcornURI v1.04 
(20 May 2006) © Christian Ludlam at bootup restores expected 
functionality.

Note: if !Netsurf is pre-loaded on to the icon bar before the obey 
file is executed, all sites loaded as expected - whichever AcornURI 
version was loaded.

Hope that helps pinpoint the prob.

ARMX6, RO 5.23 (R-Comp version), latest !Netsurf


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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Allan Bennett]

In message 
  Allan Bennett  wrote:

> In message <50cad93255.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
>   Peter Young  wrote:

>> On 16 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

>>> Brian  wrote:

 In article , Peter Young
  wrote:

> No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a
> link in Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open
> anyway. Sorry not to be helpful!

 Also, perhaps not very helpful, clicking on a link in Pluto, so
 far as I can remember, always works here.

>>> Are we talking about the same thing here?

>> Possibly not. I was referring to double-clicking an HTML file on my
>> hard disc. However ...

>>> - Quit NetSurf
>>> - Open a taskwindow
>>> - Enter:
>>>   *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

>>> What happens?

>>> I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with www.ikke.no.

>> ... and I've tried that, using both http://www.ikke.no/ and
>> www.google.co.uk in a taskwindow, with NetSurf not running, and in
>> both cases NetSurf loads and the page is opened.

> I have an obey file on my pinboard containing several (6) *uridispatch
> commands. This worked OK until the RO 5.23 upgrade, after which an
> error occurred for all but one website from the list - at which point
> !Netsurf loaded and so did the one site. Loading the AcornURI v1.04
> (20 May 2006) © Christian Ludlam at bootup restores expected
> functionality.

> Note: if !Netsurf is pre-loaded on to the icon bar before the obey
> file is executed, all sites loaded as expected - whichever AcornURI
> version was loaded.

> Hope that helps pinpoint the prob.

> ARMX6, RO 5.23 (R-Comp version), latest !Netsurf

Following up my own post: the error notice referred to above ie with 
the OS-supplied AcornURI module) is as follows:-

"Cannot open .www.Netsurf.Log for I/O redirection"


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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Peter Young]

On 16 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

> Brian  wrote:

>> In article , Peter Young
>>  wrote:

>>> No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a
>>> link in Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open
>>> anyway. Sorry not to be helpful!

>> Also, perhaps not very helpful, clicking on a link in Pluto, so
>> far as I can remember, always works here.

> Are we talking about the same thing here?

Possibly not. I was referring to double-clicking an HTML file on my 
hard disc. However ...

> - Quit NetSurf
> - Open a taskwindow
> - Enter:
>   *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

> What happens?

> I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with www.ikke.no.

... and I've tried that, using both http://www.ikke.no/ and 
www.google.co.uk in a taskwindow, with NetSurf not running, and in 
both cases NetSurf loads and the page is opened.

Best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

In article <50cad93255.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young  wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

> > Brian  wrote:

> >> In article , Peter Young
> >>  wrote:

> >>> No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a
> >>> link in Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open
> >>> anyway. Sorry not to be helpful!

> >> Also, perhaps not very helpful, clicking on a link in Pluto, so
> >> far as I can remember, always works here.

> > Are we talking about the same thing here?

> Possibly not. I was referring to double-clicking an HTML file on my 
> hard disc. However ...

> > - Quit NetSurf
> > - Open a taskwindow
> > - Enter:
> >   *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

> > What happens?

> > I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with www.ikke.no.

> ... and I've tried that, using both http://www.ikke.no/ and 
> www.google.co.uk in a taskwindow, with NetSurf not running, and in 
> both cases NetSurf loads and the page is opened.

Not wishing to cause confusion, but why would one wish to work that way,
as above? Don't get it at the moment.

> Best wishes,

> Peter.

Regards

Brian

Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Jan-Jaap van der Geer]

Brian  wrote:

> > On 16 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer 
> > wrote:

> > > - Quit NetSurf
> > > - Open a taskwindow
> > > - Enter:
> > >   *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

> > > What happens?

> > > I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with
> > > www.ikke.no.

> Not wishing to cause confusion, but why would one wish to work
> that way, as above? Don't get it at the moment.

I don't want to work that way, but this is more or less the way
Messenger and other applications open links. So by reproducing the
problem with URIDispatch I take Messenger out of the loop, we know
it hasn't anything to do with Messenger.

Cheers,
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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

In article <73bae93255.jan-j...@armx6.gmx.com>,
   Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:
> Brian  wrote:

> > > On 16 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer 
> > > wrote:

> > > > - Quit NetSurf
> > > > - Open a taskwindow
> > > > - Enter:
> > > >   *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

> > > > What happens?

> > > > I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with
> > > > www.ikke.no.

> > Not wishing to cause confusion, but why would one wish to work
> > that way, as above? Don't get it at the moment.

> I don't want to work that way, but this is more or less the way
> Messenger and other applications open links. So by reproducing the
> problem with URIDispatch I take Messenger out of the loop, we know
> it hasn't anything to do with Messenger.

> Cheers,
> Jan-Jaap

OK, thanks, Jan-Jaap, understood. Got me worried there. I'll stick with
Pluto.

Regards

Brian

Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Jan-Jaap van der Geer]

Allan Bennett  wrote:

> I have an obey file on my pinboard containing several (6)
> *uridispatch  commands. This worked OK until the RO 5.23 upgrade,
> after which an  error occurred for all but one website from the
> list - at which point  !Netsurf loaded and so did the one site.
> Loading the AcornURI v1.04  (20 May 2006) © Christian Ludlam at
> bootup restores expected  functionality.

I can reproduce this, but I don't think it's related to my problem.
I do not get an error, it just starts NetSurf and no page is
loaded.

It happens both with Christian Ludlam's module and the original
one.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Jan-Jaap van der Geer]

Brian  wrote:

> In article , Peter Young
>  wrote:

> > No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a
> > link in Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open
> > anyway. Sorry not to be helpful!

> Also, perhaps not very helpful, clicking on a link in Pluto, so
> far as I can remember, always works here.

Are we talking about the same thing here?

- Quit NetSurf
- Open a taskwindow
- Enter:
  *uridispatch http://www.ikke.no/

What happens?

I would expect NetSurf to start and open a window with www.ikke.no.

What actually happens is that NetSurf starts.

Running the command when NetSurf runs works fine (i.e. if you run
the command a second time).

Cheers,
Jan-Jaap

PS: ikke.no -> "ikke no" which is norwegian dialect for
"ikke noe" which means "nothing at all". The text on the website
says "What did you expect to find?" - I think it's funny :)


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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Peter Young]

On 16 Dec 2015  Peter Young  wrote:

> On 16 Dec 2015  Dave Symes  wrote:

>> In article ,
>>Peter Young  wrote:
>> [Snippy]
>>> No idea about AcornURI, mine seems to be 0.25, (02 Sep 2013), but I
>>> have no idea who wrote it.

>> Strange business, the AcornURI I have on my ROOL RISC OS 5.22 install says
>> it is 1.04  (May 2006)

> Same here.

Sorry, senile moment:

*h. AcornURI
==> Help on keyword AcornURI
Module is: AcornURI0.25 (02 Sep 2013)

Commands provided:
Desktop_AcornURIURIinfo URIdispatch

Best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[David Pitt]

Dave Symes, on 16 Dec, wrote:

> In article ,
>Peter Young  wrote:
> [Snippy]
> > No idea about AcornURI, mine seems to be 0.25, (02 Sep 2013), but I have
> > no idea who wrote it.
> 
> Strange business, the AcornURI I have on my ROOL RISC OS 5.22 install says
> it is 1.04  (May 2006)

[snip]

We have only just had this discussion about differing URI versions on this
mailing list, 8Nov15, "Older Modules in NetSurfs System upgrader"

On the Raspberry Pi, AcornURI 0.25 (02 Sep 2013) is in the RISC OS 5.23 ROM,
and is also present in !System, but that module is not present at all in
OS5.22, neither in ROM nor the OS5.22 !System. 

AcornURI 1.04 (20 May 2006) by Christian Ludlam was an enhanced version
relative to the then current Acorn offerings. It is present in the NetSurf
downloads and if that !System is merged then that 1.04 will over-write the
ROOL 0.25 if present.

NetSurf only rmensures AcornURI 0.12 so on OS5.23 on the Raspberry Pi it
will accept the 0.25 ROM version but on OS5.22 1.04 will be softloaded.

Until someone says otherwise I believe it is reasonable to say that as far
as NetSurf is concerned the two versions on AcornURI are equivalent. Put
another way, "It don't matter". 

HTH, it's all perfectly straight forward. (Well it was until as a last check
I had a look on the Iyonix which turns out not to have any AcornURI in the
OS5.23 softload ROM and has rmloaded 1.04.)
-- 
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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Peter Young]

On 16 Dec 2015  Dave Symes  wrote:

> In article ,
>Peter Young  wrote:
> [Snippy]
>> No idea about AcornURI, mine seems to be 0.25, (02 Sep 2013), but I
>> have no idea who wrote it.

> Strange business, the AcornURI I have on my ROOL RISC OS 5.22 install says
> it is 1.04  (May 2006)

Same here.

Best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

In article , Peter Young
 wrote:
> On 15 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

> > Peter Young  wrote:

> >> On 15 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

[snip]

> No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a link in
> Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open anyway. Sorry
> not to be helpful!

Also, perhaps not very helpful, clicking on a link in Pluto, so far as I
can remember, always works here.

> No idea about AcornURI, mine seems to be 0.25, (02 Sep 2013), but I
> have no idea who wrote it.

> Best wishes,

> Peter.

Regards

Brian

Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Dave Symes]

In article ,
   Peter Young  wrote:
[Snippy]
> No idea about AcornURI, mine seems to be 0.25, (02 Sep 2013), but I 
> have no idea who wrote it.

Strange business, the AcornURI I have on my ROOL RISC OS 5.22 install says
it is 1.04  (May 2006)

Dave

RISC OS 6.20 is AcornURI 0.12

D.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Jan-Jaap van der Geer]

"Chris Young"  wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:08:31 + (GMT), Brian wrote:

> > Double clicking on an HTML icon now only loads NetSurf. A
> > further double click is now needed to load the HTML file.
> > Previously, a single double click on the file icon was all that
> > was needed to load the file into NerSurf.

> This was my fault, sorry, should now be fixed.

Is this working for anyone? For me it still does not work. I'm on
build 3230 which is the latest, at least it was earlier today.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Peter Young]

On 15 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

> "Chris Young"  wrote:

>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:08:31 + (GMT), Brian wrote:

>>> Double clicking on an HTML icon now only loads NetSurf. A
>>> further double click is now needed to load the HTML file.
>>> Previously, a single double click on the file icon was all that
>>> was needed to load the file into NerSurf.

>> This was my fault, sorry, should now be fixed.

> Is this working for anyone? For me it still does not work. I'm on
> build 3230 which is the latest, at least it was earlier today.

Working fine here, same build, ARMX6 and RISC OS 5.23. As far as I 
remember it's always worked here.

Best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Peter Young]

On 15 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

> Peter Young  wrote:

>> On 15 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

>>> "Chris Young"  wrote:

 On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:08:31 + (GMT), Brian wrote:

> Double clicking on an HTML icon now only loads NetSurf. A
> further double click is now needed to load the HTML file.
> Previously, a single double click on the file icon was all
> that was needed to load the file into NerSurf.

 This was my fault, sorry, should now be fixed.

>>> Is this working for anyone? For me it still does not work. I'm
>>> on build 3230 which is the latest, at least it was earlier
>>> today.

>> Working fine here, same build, ARMX6 and RISC OS 5.23. As far as
>> I  remember it's always worked here.

> Hmm. I think this issue is talking about something else as I was,
> now that I think about it. When NetSurf is not running, and I click
> a link in Messenger, NetSurf is started, but the link is not
> launched. That's probably a different issue from doubleclicking a
> HTML file (which I never really do).

> Is it AcornURI that has a problem?

> (I seem to be using the one from Christian Ludlam)

No idea, but I've also never had a problem with clicking on a link in 
Messenger Pro, unless it's one that NetSurf can't open anyway. Sorry 
not to be helpful!

No idea about AcornURI, mine seems to be 0.25, (02 Sep 2013), but I 
have no idea who wrote it.

Best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Jan-Jaap van der Geer]

Peter Young  wrote:

> On 15 Dec 2015  Jan-Jaap van der Geer  wrote:

> > "Chris Young"  wrote:

> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:08:31 + (GMT), Brian wrote:

> > > > Double clicking on an HTML icon now only loads NetSurf. A
> > > > further double click is now needed to load the HTML file.
> > > > Previously, a single double click on the file icon was all
> > > > that was needed to load the file into NerSurf.

> > > This was my fault, sorry, should now be fixed.

> > Is this working for anyone? For me it still does not work. I'm
> > on build 3230 which is the latest, at least it was earlier
> > today.

> Working fine here, same build, ARMX6 and RISC OS 5.23. As far as
> I  remember it's always worked here.

Hmm. I think this issue is talking about something else as I was,
now that I think about it. When NetSurf is not running, and I click
a link in Messenger, NetSurf is started, but the link is not
launched. That's probably a different issue from doubleclicking a
HTML file (which I never really do).

Is it AcornURI that has a problem?

(I seem to be using the one from Christian Ludlam)

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Re: Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

In article
, Chris
Young  wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:08:31 + (GMT), Brian wrote:

> > Double clicking on an HTML icon now only loads NetSurf. A further
> > double click is now needed to load the HTML file. Previously, a single
> > double click on the file icon was all that was needed to load the file
> > into NerSurf.

> This was my fault, sorry, should now be fixed.

Ah, well done. Thanks.

I was beginning to think that I was having a brain storm or something.
Though it wouldn't have been much of a storm at my age. 8-)

Brian

Slightly odd behaviour #3225

[Brian]

Double clicking on an HTML icon now only loads NetSurf. A further double
click is now needed to load the HTML file. Previously, a single double
click on the file icon was all that was needed to load the file into
NerSurf.