Re: nettime A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

2003-10-06 Thread Benjamin Geer
Kermit Snelson wrote: Intellectuals and artists have always relied on patronage, patronage depends on plunder, and plunder depends on deceit and exploitation. Who, after all, paid for Europe's cathedrals? Who paid for Beethoven's sonatas? Who pays for universities today? [...] which side

Re: nettime A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

2003-10-06 Thread Karl-Erik Tallmo
snip It was just an exercise in comparing now and then, here and now. I don't have a particular axe to grind. Since I write quite a lot, I think about what makes heroes of some writers and how their achievement might be grounded in their social practice. Strauusian enough for you, Kermit? Keith

Re: nettime New Media Education and Its Discontent

2003-10-06 Thread t byfield
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat 10/04/03 at 04:32 PM -0400): New Media Education and Its Discontent there's something hilarious about the proposition that, were it not for andrew jackson -- author, they say, of the quintessentially all-american 'OK' ('oll korekt!') -- this country would be more inclined

Re: nettime A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

2003-10-06 Thread Michael H Goldhaber
Brian, the point of yours to which I was replying was not opposition to consensus, but rather the implication that to oppose one must have anonymity. That is not to suggest that current society is reasonable, liberal, democratic, desirable, un-opposable or necessarily irreplaceable. Kermit makes

Re: nettime A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

2003-10-06 Thread Keith Hart
Kermit Snelson wrote: But to be honest with ourselves, we must look deep into what intellectualism means. I know that intellectuals are killers, sometimes not just figuratively. I am one myself, after all. But not all forms of thinking or persons that we might deem to be intellectual are

Re: nettime A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

2003-10-06 Thread Brian Holmes
Michael Goldhaber wrote (speaking of far left and right in the US): ...on either side, too readily donning this mantle of persecution and using it as an excuse for anonymity or for covering up one's real intent undermines any possibility of genuine democracy, and must lead to a general and