Re: A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

2003-10-09 Thread Karl-Erik Tallmo
Keith Hart wrote: >"text warez" wrote: > >>you completly misunderstood the role of an author. < > >There is no identification of the person addressed as "you", but I will >fill in. Well, not only does that text lack recipient, if there is no such thing as author it even lacks a sender. Neithe

New Media and its Discontents

2003-10-09 Thread monica ross
Benjamin Greer wrote: the " founding fathers" who replicated a system where power is invested in the land owning class... intellectualism has had a dangerous reputation in the UK since Chartism, John Stuart Mill, the Workers Educational Association etc since along with " theory " or " politica

Re: New Media Education and Its Discontent

2003-10-09 Thread Michael H Goldhaber
Some of the items in this thread are quite disturbing, such as the thought that many people are insufficiently intelligent to go to university, but should rather go to polytechnics or the like: "Public universities are packed with students who simply should not be in college. This policy that ever

RE: New Media Education and Its Discontent

2003-10-09 Thread Nato Thompson
All these attacks on "intellectualism" seem to my partially valid, but generally a little too easy. The same can be said for generalizations about the American school system. The US higher education system is extraordinarily vast and modulates depending on its structure. They are not all "career-bu

Re: Report: Creative Labour and the role of Intellectual Property

2003-10-09 Thread Danny Butt
There's a lot to digest in Ned's excellent report on Creative Labour, and I'll be sifting through the correlations between the multitudes and disorganised creative labour for some time. Even if Ned's somewhat cavalier methodological orientation grates a little up against Hall et al's classic introd

Re: A Puff Piece on Wikipedia (Fwd)

2003-10-09 Thread Keith Hart
"text warez" wrote: >you completly misunderstood the role of an author. < There is no identification of the person addressed as "you", but I will fill in. What interests me is that you think there is only one role of the author and that whoever doesn't share your idea of it has "misunderstood".

Re: New Media Education and Its Discontent

2003-10-09 Thread human being
[syntax problem @ nettime -> resent by mod] if extending the question of 'what is an intellectual?' in the .US today and in the recent past, it would seem that the term itself is absurd except in a particular academic context, as thought is often equated with making money, and thus people may va

Re: Re: Re: New Media Education and Its Discontent

2003-10-09 Thread Morlock Elloi
[syntax problem @ nettime -> resent by mod] > An interesting thread. The real problem with the American educational > system is that standards are not high enough. Public universities are > packed with students who simply should not be in college. This policy US (and many others') educational s

Re: New Media Education and Its Discontent

2003-10-09 Thread Benjamin Geer
[syntax problem @ nettime -> resent by mod] Kermit Snelson wrote: > Patronage is an affair of the élite. If their employees, > the intellectuals, have higher prestige among the "common people" in > Europe than they do in the USA, that is probably because titled nobility > and aristocracy are st

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2003-10-09 Thread Nettime
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 05:31:55 +0100 From: Benjamin Geer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Kermit Snelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Media Education and Its Discontent Kermit Snelson wrote: > Patronage is an affair of the élite. If their employees, > the intellectuals, hav

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2003-10-09 Thread Nettime
Subject: Re: New Media Education and Its Discontent Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 00:37:51 -0500 From: human being <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if extending the question of 'what is an intellectual?' in the .US today and in the recent past, it would seem that the term itself is absurd excep

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2003-10-09 Thread Nettime
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