Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-20 Thread paul van der walt via nettime-l
Christian, I'm curious about whether you're making a theoretical or practical point. On 2024-04-20 at 14:49 +02, quoth Christian Swertz via nettime-l : > [...] this one: >> How not to be parasitic to the point of necrotrophy? > is easy. No car, no airplanes etc. Less computers too, of course. No

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-20 Thread Christian Swertz via nettime-l
Hi Brian, as far as I see, this one: How not to be parasitic to the point of necrotrophy? is easy. No car, no airplanes etc. Less computers too, of course. No consumerism. And this one: but it's still uncertain whether we can choose not to. is simple to: No. "We" cannot. And that's related

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-20 Thread Chris Fremantle via nettime-l
This is so useful and interesting - Newton Harrison used to talk about humanity occupying a mega-niche and I now know what he was meaning... Chris Chris Fremantle ch...@fremantle.org +44 (0)7714203016 http://chris.fremantle.org http://ecoartscotland.net Ecoart in Action: Activities, Case Studies

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-19 Thread Brian Holmes via nettime-l
Michael Benson wrote: "And how could it be Other, Nature I mean, when we are so utterly reliant on the ecosystem that produced us? Isn't it just another peak in the mountain range of our collective anthropocentric arrogance (I don't mean this personally Brian) to continue with such an insistence?"

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-19 Thread mp via nettime-l
On 4/19/24 05:24, John Hopkins via nettime-l wrote: Look, if you are getting into permaculture, don't burn books, at least compost/bury them. It's easy and aside from giving worms intellectual indigestion, it is a far better alternative than burning. You need to see what, if anything, ris

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-18 Thread John Hopkins via nettime-l
Look, if you are getting into permaculture, don't burn books, at least compost/bury them. It's easy and aside from giving worms intellectual indigestion, it is a far better alternative than burning. On 4/18/24 4:09 PM, mp via nettime-l wrote: "...Burn the books they´ve got too many names and ps

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-18 Thread mp via nettime-l
I think there is a nature/culture spectrum. If we are to play with words. Though, it seems to me, when using words and "arguments" one moves "away" from "nature" and deeper into culture. Some sort of psychotic?, self-absorbed looping. I'd rather look for nature in a trance state - stripping

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-18 Thread Ryan Griffis via nettime-l
Hi Everyone. My take away from the last few decades of writing on “Nature” is that it's a term that can only be understood/useful as a way to define relationships. Increasingly, it seems like a term that defines relationships in some pretty destructive, asymmetrical ways. I mean, it always has,

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-18 Thread Michael Benson via nettime-l
Hi Brian, greetings everybody: With respect, what does this even mean: >Nature is somehow an Other with whom we must compose. ? How could it be "Other," an Other with whom we must "compose," when we are the result of millions of years of complex, multifaceted, dice-throwing evolution on thi

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-17 Thread John Hopkins via nettime-l
Brian, I sense that you are standing by the concept of the exceptionalism of the human species. I also hold some internal space for the potentiality that what is here—humans on a planet within an indeterminate cosmos—is something 'special'. However, having formally finished eight years explorin

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-17 Thread Timothy Druckrey via nettime-l
A small stanza from Hans Magnus Enzensberger's joyous poem on Etienne Jules Marey (E.J.M. 1830-1904) The pigeon, tied to the jib of a merry-go-round – does it fly, or is it flown? The trail of its wings is invisible: yet it’s followed by, pneumatically steering through a chaos of tubes and drums

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-17 Thread Brian Holmes via nettime-l
MP asked: "Or everything is natural in our culture?" I am currently reading about biomimicry. You probably know a lot about it, curious to hear your ideas. The concept suggests both a distance between humans and nature, and a possible rapprochement. To me that's intuitive. I can't accept the idea

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-17 Thread Timothy Druckrey via nettime-l
Jackson Pollock: "I don't paint nature, I am nature." -- # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: https://www.nettime.org # contact: nettime-l-ow...@lists

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-17 Thread mp via nettime-l
On 4/15/24 18:47, Brian Holmes via nettime-l wrote: Hello Oliver, Nothing is natural in our culture, for sure - I too paused to question that sentence. Or everything is natural in our culture? -- # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for ne

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-17 Thread mp via nettime-l
On 4/17/24 09:50, Christian Swertz via nettime-l wrote: https://nextnature.net/philosophy what is this, trans-ecologism? A straw-woman? "...Our image of nature as static, balanced and harmonic is naive and up for reconsideration..." Whose nature is static, balanced and harmonic? Who doe

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-17 Thread Christian Swertz via nettime-l
https://nextnature.net/philosophy what is this, trans-ecologism? To me, it looks like the opposite. As far as I understood, the people behind the nextnature website seem to assume that nature is a living being where human beings live in, while in trans-ecologism nature is described as a soci

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature (Brian Holmes)

2024-04-16 Thread Donald Dulchinos via nettime-l
tural politics of the nets" > > Cc: Oliver Gassner > Subject: Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke > Gerritzen/Next Nature > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hello Oliver, > > Nothing is natural in o

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-16 Thread unosonic via nettime-l
; > staring at their phones" instead of interacting with invisible people on > > their semitransparent glasses." > > > > But this was just a note about the word 'natural': Nothing in our culture > > is. > > > > > > > > Am Fr.

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-15 Thread David Herzog via nettime-l
nostalgically look back at the times when people were "still staring at their phones" instead of interacting with invisible people on their semitransparent glasses." But this was just a note about the word 'natural': Nothing in our culture is. Am Fr., 12. Apr. 2024 um 14:36

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-15 Thread Brian Holmes via nettime-l
d of interacting with invisible people on > their semitransparent glasses." > > But this was just a note about the word 'natural': Nothing in our culture > is. > > > > Am Fr., 12. Apr. 2024 um 14:36 Uhr schrieb Geert Lovink via nettime-l < > nettime-l@lis

Re: Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-15 Thread Oliver Gassner via nettime-l
e word 'natural': Nothing in our culture is. Am Fr., 12. Apr. 2024 um 14:36 Uhr schrieb Geert Lovink via nettime-l < nettime-l@lists.nettime.org>: > Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature > Download the app on your phone: https://nextnature.net/projects/sw

Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature

2024-04-12 Thread Geert Lovink via nettime-l
Swipe, a Smart Phone Movie by Mieke Gerritzen/Next Nature Download the app on your phone: https://nextnature.net/projects/swipe Ever left your phone at home by mistake and felt like you are missing a limb? Turns out, a lot of us feel that way. We need to talk about smartphones. SWIPE is a movie