Re: nettime Digital Politics -- Digital Economics

2013-05-15 Thread Dan S. Wang
Mark, Flick: On the question of whether and how is ³democracy² relevant to an understanding of Chinese politics, I lean towards Mark¹s views. To add to them, Flick¹s characterization of the CCP as a ³supreme² ruler, I must say, is far from the reality (and as for its ³legitimacy,² at the level

Re: nettime Jaron lanier: The Internet destroyed the middle class

2013-05-15 Thread Patrice Riemens
Mark - and others, Whatever the name of the (class) beast, or the nature of the (digital) technology, my only interest is to have the vast majority of the people have a decent, interesting, enjoyable, and healthy life - from birth to death. The present dispensation does not provide for that.

nettime the middle class doesn't exist

2013-05-15 Thread allan siegel
Twenty years ago, class was not in the vocabulary of Swedish pundits and mavens. Class was something that belonged to the past. Today, however, it is back with a vengeance. Recently the Swedish Occupy movement Allt åt alla (Everything for Everyone) organized a bus safari through exclusive

nettime Black hat, white hat, green hat hackers

2013-05-15 Thread nettime's avid reader
http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/saudi-surveillance/ Last week I [Moxie Marlinspike] was contacted by an agent of Mobily, one of two telecoms operating in Saudi Arabia, about a surveillance project that they’re working on in that country. Having published two reasonably popular MITM tools,

Re: nettime the middle class doesn't exist

2013-05-15 Thread Brian Holmes
On 05/15/2013 08:56 AM, allan siegel wrote: The thesis of the death of the middle class is simple and not peculiar to Sweden: every time you try to define the allegedly most important contemporary social formation, this middle class breaks into two, writes Greider; one part that serves the

Re: nettime Jaron lanier: The Internet destroyed the middle class

2013-05-15 Thread Jonathan Marshall
Mark writes: But, before you roll up your sleeves, if you want to have any useful ideas on the structure of labor (and leisure and consumption) then you must begin with a CRASH effort to understand the impact of *digital* technology on the economy. You could also begin with a crash course on

Re: nettime Jaron lanier: The Internet destroyed the middle class

2013-05-15 Thread Newmedia
Jon: As i said it appears to me that people have been struggling with this since the 90s and i see no sign of it stopping. Thanks! You are certainly correct that the various professions have circled their own wagons and not stepped up to the challenge of understanding the effects of

Re: nettime the middle class doesn't exist

2013-05-15 Thread Patrick Lichty
What I find interesting is the realization of the Randian dream through the refocusing on skills rather than credentials - one of my students just quit school because of the crushing debt he was going to incur because of the turning away of the state from higher education, privatization of loans,

Re: nettime What if a work of net.art sold for $34 million?

2013-05-15 Thread Florian Cramer
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Edward Shanken rotorel...@gmail.comwrote: What would the world be like if Roy Ascott's La Plissure du Texte (1983) sold at auction for $34.2 million instead of Gerhard RIchter's ?Abstraktes Bild?? In what sort of world (and artworld) would that be possible?