Re: Utopian Plagiarism / Society of the Spectacle

2017-11-04 Thread Ian Alan Paul
Thank you Molly - I think that this is a necessary and important critique of Debord and most writers of that period. On Nov 4, 2017 7:15 PM, "Molly Hankwitz" wrote: I am not sure from the initial posting whether it was posted in jest and tongue in cheek but do you think, fellas, we could start i

Re: Utopian Plagiarism / Society of the Spectacle

2017-11-04 Thread Molly Hankwitz
I am not sure from the initial posting whether it was posted in jest and tongue in cheek but do you think, fellas, we could start insisting on an Internet that —“subjugates living human beings” instead of “men only”—? C’mon...ok - took the bait, but honestly, let us not exclude women and children

Re: Utopian Plagiarism / Society of the Spectacle

2017-11-04 Thread Ian Alan Paul
I think Debord would have been delighted that this would be called demagoguery, esp. considering thesis 207 from SOS: "Ideas improve. The meaning of words participates in the improvement. Plagiarism is necessary. Progress implies it. It embraces an author’s phrase, makes use of his expressions, er

Autonomy

2017-11-04 Thread Morlock Elloi
Machine translated from German at https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Auto-Nomie-3878881.html . Beware of potential subversive edits and memes injected by the GOOGL translator. I've noticed that the translated text has curious Debordian/Baudrillardian odor, which makes me wonder if all English tr

Re: Utopian Plagiarism / Society of the Spectacle

2017-11-04 Thread Marc Lavallée
Debord compiled a list of citations and misappropriations that he himself used in writing La Société du Spectacle, to help translators: http://juralibertaire.over-blog.com/article-releve-des-citations-et-des-detournements-de-la-societe-du-spectacle-42307956.html -- Marc On Sat, 4 Nov 2017 23:23:

Re: Utopian Plagiarism / Society of the Spectacle

2017-11-04 Thread Morlock Elloi
Here is the version modified with a single substitution (I especially liked one with the 'capital'): The gender is not a collection of networks, but a social relation among people, mediated by networks. ... The basically tautological character of the gender flows from the simple fact th

Re: emergency situation about our cultural center mama in zagreb

2017-11-04 Thread Tomislav Medak
As a clarification, this was Marcell's email from a couple of days ago, sent to the internal list of the Digital Cultures Research Lab at the Leuphana University, where Marcell is doing his PhD. Felix was CC-ed on it, so he forwarded it to the nettime list. Thanks Felix! Now in our fourth day of b

emergency situation about our cultural center mama in zagreb

2017-11-04 Thread Marcell Mars aka Nenad Romic
dear colleagues, some of you might heard from me or tomi about a decade long struggle with our cultural centre in zagreb. it is hard to make it short but the story involves promises from the state (and city of zagreb) to give back real estate to serbian minority (taken back in the days after worl

Re: Utopian Plagiarism / Society of the Spectacle

2017-11-04 Thread Joseph Rabie
This sort of rhetoric fills me with unease, as it is too easy to come up with statements as far reaching as they are unsubstantiated. Slapping "internet" in the place of "spectacle" to catch a ride on Debord's revulsion in the face of modern capitalist society is a form of demagogy. It sounds g

Re: Utopian Plagiarism / Society of the Spectacle

2017-11-04 Thread lincoln dahlberg
is this your hack or who can i attribute? > On 03 November 2017 at 10:16 Ian Alan Paul wrote: > > The internet is not a collection of networks, but a social relation among > people, mediated by networks. > > ... > > The basically tautological character of the internet flows from