Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread Kein
Hi Brian! Well I was slightly kidding but more seriously: History suggests it's not a one way street from direct to symbolic action, the traffic can flow both ways. Ben Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Dec 2017, at 18:23, Brian Holmes wrote: > >> On 12/17/2017 10:50

The ideology of technology (Was Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists)

2017-12-17 Thread Morlock Elloi
On 12/17/17, 01:07, e...@x80.org wrote: For better or worse it seems to me that the only way to escape control from computers is not rejection, but in-depth education about them. Yes. The following are my contributions to an e-mail exchange which I resisted putting on nettime as it didn't

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread Brian Holmes
On 12/17/2017 10:50 AM, Kein wrote: Quick pt: It's not 'symbolic' if you burn enough infrastructure. Right, then you can kick off a massive military/fascist reaction which isn't symbolic either! Direct action either becomes symbolic, allowing for politics, or it becomes a fight, allowing

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread Kein
Quick pt: It's not 'symbolic' if you burn enough infrastructure. Sent from my iPhone > On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:27, Vincent Van Uffelen wrote: > >> On 17/12/2017 10:07, e...@x80.org wrote: >> Morlock Elloi writes: >> Echoing recent digital

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread Vincent Van Uffelen
On 17/12/2017 10:07, e...@x80.org wrote: Morlock Elloi writes: Echoing recent digital critics such as Douglas Rushkoff or even myself, they ask themselves what’s revolutionary or prophetic in an industry that relies on old-school capitalism, monopolies, micro-work,

Re: 'La Casemate', Grenoble FabLab burned down by anti-digital activists

2017-12-17 Thread e
Morlock Elloi writes: >> Echoing recent digital critics such as Douglas Rushkoff or even myself, >> they ask themselves what’s revolutionary or prophetic in an industry >> that relies on old-school capitalism, monopolies, micro-work, state >> regulations and money as a