Re: Covid and the crisis of neo-liberalism

2021-09-05 Thread Sean Cubitt
sorry to hear about the wrist injury John: hope the gardening's good. On population: 1. if you're right, abandoning the one-child family policy may be the most significant political decision of the first part of the century - both the policy and its termination might appear autocratic? 2. is the

Re: Covid and the crisis of neo-liberalism

2021-09-05 Thread Michael H. Goldhaber
More probably the shirt wearer was expressing himself ironically. But maybe he couldn’t press it because he lacked an ironing board. Does everyone here lack one too? Best, Michael via iPhone, so please ecuse misteaks. > On Sep 5, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Vincent Gaulin > wrote: > >  > --I lite

Re: Covid and the crisis of neo-liberalism

2021-09-05 Thread Vincent Gaulin
--I literally saw a guy in a cafe with a tee-shirt that read "I can't hear you -- over the sound of my freedom." I think it's important to keep in mind that "speech acts" of this kind are mimetic and consumption oriented, rather than arising from some kind of self-made ethic. Just like on social m

Re: Covid and the crisis of neo-liberalism

2021-09-05 Thread John Hopkins
I tend to agree with you, Sean, about the huge problems caused by some threads of systems thinking and engineering that arose in the bowels of the Military-academic-industrial complex. However, there are other threads (i.e.,James Miller, Howard Odum) that have taken a far-wider view that acknow

Re: Covid and the crisis of neo-liberalism

2021-09-05 Thread Lichty, Patrick M
I am in agreement with: “that this accident must become our necessity, a necessity whose impure technological, but also social, economic and political conditions are alone what make possible the exercise of collective intelligence, belief, wisdom and decision. The temptation is always to say tha

Re: Covid and the crisis of neo-liberalism

2021-09-05 Thread Lichty, Patrick M
Sean wrote. engineering as management is what got us into this mess.. Exactly. Common sense says the world wants to be free as in free beer Or a free lunch, which doesn’t exist either. Reciprocity is a better term, and the family of concepts around it: the commons, the social, a new social

Re: Covid and the crisis of neo-liberalism

2021-09-05 Thread Gary Hall
'A new socialism that embraces the non-human' - I like it. But to what extent would it still be socialism? Can socialism accommodate such a  nondualist, nonseperablist ontological framing? Or does it require transforming socialism almost out of all recognition by imagining it very differently?