Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-18 Thread bronac ferran
. Indeed ... accompanied by the 'Smirky McSmirk Face' that dominates all mainstream media analysis in the UK On 16 October 2018 at 20:32, Ariston Theotocopulos < ariston.theotocopu...@gmail.com> wrote: > This is all true, you could add that the UK news media delights in > spreading lies, it

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-18 Thread James Wallbank
Hi Ted, I'd suggest that the lack of education in media literacy and critical literacy are the key things which have rendered the UK population vulnerable to the sorts of rhetoric-based exploits that you identify. I recall in the 1980s and 1990s, educationalists persistently identified the

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread Ariston Theotocopulos
This is all true, you could add that the UK news media delights in spreading lies, it does it purely for the lulz. But... In 2016 only political lunatics had strong opinions one way or another on the EU, and nobody here thought that there would be any significant change whatever the result of the

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread tbyfield
On 16 Oct 2018, at 9:54, James Wallbank wrote: Well, quite clearly I'm beginning to sound like a member of the tinfoil hat brigade - but seriously, the level of democratic failure and delusional thinking at the highest levels of governance are hard to explain in other ways. I agree with

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread David Garcia
Dear Ian, thanks for posting this. I do think there are some carefully choreographed theatrics involved in this depressing circus. And there is a going to be quite a lot of calculation (possibly agreed by both the EU and the UK civil servants) that a dramatic last minute battle that goes down

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread James Wallbank
Hi David, Hi All, I've been a continual participant in online discussion of the national insanity that is Brexit, and have come to a few conclusions. For those of you not based in the UK, the whole debate and internal conflict may appear utterly incomprehensible - but I believe it has brought

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread Iain Findlay-Walsh
Dear David/all. I have never posted here before (but long been a lurker!), however this thread on Brexit presents an opportunity to share a recent twitter thread on Brexit, which I came to indirectly via social media. As far as I am aware, the author of the following twitter posts is a well-known

Re: Bad news for Brexit Junkies! - worse news for Labour and remainers

2018-10-16 Thread David Garcia
The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. (W.B. Yates.. The Second Coming) Its a critical juncture in a very very complex moment of a 4 dimensional chess that the UK pretends to be playing with an opponent, but is actually playing with itself (in every