Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-07 Thread Luke Munn
nic experience >>> is an experience of truth. But it cannot lead to a church. >>> >>> What would be a Messianic experience for the mass? No idea. A Messianic >>> New Deal? Or a revolution. But which one? >>> >>> FN >>> >>> &g

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-07 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
idea. A Messianic >> New Deal? Or a revolution. But which one? >> >> FN >> >> >> _ >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 7:46 PM Ryan Griffis >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> C

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_? (Ryan Griffis)

2020-12-07 Thread Michael Gregory
Magical thinking has probably always surged in times of crisis, probably more extravagantly in cultures with dominant metaphysical and eschatological doctrines. So though the (positive/wishful thinking) volitionist Q-Anon twist on latterday Gnosticsm may seem peculiar, is it really that far a cry

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-06 Thread Brian Holmes
-- > *From:* nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org > on behalf of Brian Holmes > *Sent:* Friday, December 4, 2020 8:29 PM > *To:* Max Herman; a moderated mailing list for net criticism > *Subject:* Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_? > > >> The new aesthetic for the conserva

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-06 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
or data analysis) its only going to continue to spiral out of > control. SK > -- > *From:* Frédéric Neyrat > *Sent:* Sunday, December 6, 2020 6:58 PM > *To:* Kurtz, Steven > *Cc:* nettim...@kein.org > *Subject:* Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_? >

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-06 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
onvincing… > > > https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/ancient-heresy-helps-us-understand-qanon-on-the-media > > Take care everyone, > Ryan > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 23:23:08 +0000 > > From: "Kurtz, Steven" >

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-06 Thread Kurtz, Steven
...@kein.org Subject: Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_? Dear Steven, Thanks for your analysis. I've a question about one sentence: "...if it is not accompanied by a massive intervention campaigns into the Gnostic networks of alternative reality": How, according to you, might we do that?

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-06 Thread Ryan Griffis
-on-the-media Take care everyone, Ryan > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 23:23:08 + > From: "Kurtz, Steven" > To: "nettim...@kein.org" > Subject: Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_? > Message-ID: <1607296989119.10...@buffalo.edu> > Content-Type: te

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-06 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
ly-oriented groups since they are most of the way there > already. > > > -- > *From:* nettime-l-boun...@mail.kein.org > on behalf of Brian Holmes > *Sent:* Friday, December 4, 2020 8:29 PM > *To:* Max Herman; a moderated mailing list for net c

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-06 Thread Kurtz, Steven
Hey Brian, welcome to the wilderness my friend. I have been yelling about this for many years, but basically talking to myself. All the knowledge in the world about surveillance capitalism, postfordism, and neoliberalism doesn’t help much (a little with concepts of alienation and its other

Re: Fw: Has the right gone full Alt_?

2020-12-04 Thread Brian Holmes
> > The new aesthetic for the conservative base can be reasonably > well-understood as a cooptation of the alt_ or insurgent aesthetic. It > offers something like the liberating euphoria which progressives felt about > 20 years ago. Conservatives can like, tweet, dox, spam, hack, and >