Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-15 Thread Morlock Elloi
Re-decentralization of Bitcoin (if possible at all) has only one purpose: to eliminate choke and control points (like 4 Chinese mints controlling 50+% of hash power today) and make the system more stable (convincing millions of miners to agree to a fork is totally different ball game from

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-15 Thread Morlock Elloi
Analogies galore: Bitcoin acts like a dam spillway, when there is too much water that cannot be used to run turbines or irrigate. Very bad for everyone downstream. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroville_Dam_crisis On 12/14/17, 01:20, Felix Stalder wrote: in a traditional sense. There is

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-15 Thread Morlock Elloi
The first entrants may not be what one expects. All FB has to offer is the currently missing salvation/after-life part, which is the necessary ingredient of any self-respecting religion. A machine that maintains your FB page after you are gone, giving opinions and advices like you would,

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-15 Thread Morlock Elloi
Thanks, I just figured out the name for my new cryptocurrency: Modern Coin (MC, ModCo, m-coin, ...) Just after 'shipping' I read a very good article about Zygmunt Bauman in the French monthly 'La Decroissance' (highly recommended!), and realised, of course, Bitcoin is all about 'liquid

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-15 Thread Nicolas Bourbaki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 > Bitcoin may decease before soon, but its skeleton will remain > alive and kicking ... you in the ass! > Our present challenge is to 'ship' our message before Bitcoin > unavoidably crashes for real, uch... Decentralization fetishism will not

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-15 Thread Patrice Riemens
In uncertain times, traditional investments bring in far less returns than speculative ones. Of course the risks of default are higher, but then it's borrowed money anyway, or held by very deep pockets players who behave as venture capitalists: 1 smashing investment makes for 9 dudd ones.

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-14 Thread Molly Hankwitz
Thank you for this post. The analogy to space and property values in Dubai...perfectly clear. A city surely growing on overinflated speculative wealth —and the fantasies of power that go with it—-not to mention other cities, maybe Shanghai, that attract foreign, western capital. Operative word:

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-14 Thread uno
uno: > Kenneth Fields: > > Priestbots would serve as the voice of the never seen/heard/manifest OneBot. > > that LOVE started with a touch(screen). by siris, alexas etc. we get used to. > but, would probably be the first god who actually answers. will be a success > I guess. >

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-14 Thread uno
Kenneth Fields: > Priestbots would serve as the voice of the never seen/heard/manifest OneBot. that LOVE started with a touch(screen). by siris, alexas etc. we get used to. but, would probably be the first god who actually answers. will be a success I guess.

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-14 Thread Kenneth Fields
mail.kein.org > Subject: Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin? > Message-ID: <5a318281.1080...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Bitcoin successfully hijacked a sizable amount of public belief, which > underwrites any fiat

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-14 Thread Felix Stalder
Bitcoin seems, to me, to indicate how much criminal, speculative money there is out there, seeking risk worth taking, rather than "investing" in a traditional sense. There is simply too much money held by too few people who now trade it among themselves, rather than seeking to extract surplus

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-14 Thread Patrice Riemens
On 2017-12-13 20:41, Morlock Elloi wrote: Bitcoin successfully hijacked a sizable amount of public belief, which underwrites any fiat currency, and it doesn't get more fiat than Bitcoin. This is continuation of the phenomena of machine amplification of human activities; machines do it better

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
Bitcoin successfully hijacked a sizable amount of public belief, which underwrites any fiat currency, and it doesn't get more fiat than Bitcoin. This is continuation of the phenomena of machine amplification of human activities; machines do it better and faster. Socializing, sex, education,

Re: Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-13 Thread John Hopkins
Hi Molly -- plz examine http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-42265728 for example, calculating the energy (and thus carbon cost) of BitCoin... it is not insignificant. It's a bit like this problem: https://tinyurl.com/yar8svhe -- climate scientists as frequent flyers... So it goes... JH

Never Mind the Bitcoin?

2017-12-13 Thread Patrice Riemens
Never Mind the Bitcoin? By Patrice Riemens, Eduard de Jong, and Geert Lovink We wrote about (and against) the crankiness that is called Bitcoin back in 2015, at a stage when everybody was gawking at its sudden rise in 'value' from $250 to something like $400 - up from $5-15 not tah much