Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-30 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:13:38 +0200, Matze Schmidt matze.schm...@n0name.de wrote: Sorry, some last words to it: Thanks, I appreciate your feedback. If you reject the possibility of knowing the essence (which is a dynamic thing not just 'static essence') behind, under or besides the

Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-26 Thread Michael Rogers
On 23/09/11 15:37, Dmytri Kleiner wrote: You don't need to convince people they are debtors', they know that already. We need to convince them instead that non-capitalist provision of housing, education and medicine is the solution to the problems they have, and this is possible because the

Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 13:09:41 +0200, Matze Schmidt matze.schm...@n0name.de wrote: Hi Dmytri, yes, but the paryt was simply your kind of proposition to the rest of the text. The party was used as an example of a cause based party, which I argue can not mobilize the masses, and therefore can

Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-24 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 15:19:25 +0200, Matze Schmidt matze.schm...@n0name.de wrote: Well, you've been telling that the the workplace is not the place where appropriation is felt. Feeling and knowing are diffrent types of consciousness or awareness. To feel I'm not exploited does not mean that

Re: nettime Debtors' of The World Unite! The Initiative to form an International Debtors' Party.

2011-09-23 Thread Dmytri Kleiner
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:48:34 +0200, Matze Schmidt matze.schm...@n0name.de wrote: The Pirate Party Germany is just a young liberal party defending benefits for and of middle class business or creative people in the so called hypermobile city as some belive Berlin may be one. Hey Matze, the