Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-20 Thread Brian Holmes
want to try another, simpler way to ask the question: Should I be terrified to see my personal dot on a public coronamap? Or is there a world in which individual freedoms cohere for a collective good? Answering Frederic, I guess I am fatalistic about social change: far as I can see, the

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health

2020-03-20 Thread Sean Cubitt
The term 'public health' has never quite gone away, even when privatised medicine pretended that private health could be purchased. The Spanish flu of 1919 is often cited; more apposite perhaps were the great cholera epidemics of the latrer 19th century. The proximity of the underclass to

Coronavirus journal: higher ed

2020-03-20 Thread Dan S Wang
Dear Nettime, Partial disclosure: I am married to a leading voice in the field of college health, one frequently quoted in national media as universities began to declare suspensions. She has managed campus health at three major research universities over the past 20 years. I type this

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health

2020-03-20 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
Dear Sean, folks, thanks for the useful historical references. I've already gone on record here as being against speculations on who should die in what way. I do ask myself, though, about the role of capital, rent, and interest, in the current crisis. There will be people, here and elsewhere,

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health

2020-03-20 Thread Felix Stalder
On 20.03.20 10:32, Andreas Broeckmann wrote: > But: if a major economic problem at the moment is that people have > to pay their rent, or service the credits and mortgages they took > out, why does the State, under these severe circumstances, currently > make such an effort to help people pay

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health

2020-03-20 Thread Andreas Broeckmann
Hey Felix, thanks for describing the cascade... Since you do not address the question, even though you quote it, I presume the implicit answer you offer is that under the current regime "suspending these obligations" is not an option, or unthinkable? (or taboo?) How is that to be understood...?

British contact-tracing app under development

2020-03-20 Thread Brian Holmes
It looks as though what we are discussing could well become an international "best practice." But with specific national variations. Cooperation and trust are the key non-technical issues. The chances of such an app being developed in the US appear to be low. Article about the British app in the

Re: Should use mobile phone data to monitor public health efforts?

2020-03-20 Thread Frédéric Neyrat
"Everyone should know about your mobility": wow! Okay, I'm going to take a ginger beer and to do some yoga. And think about a world in which solidarity means tracking people. Take care dear Brian, Frédéric __ On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:16 AM

The polish approach to tracking quarantine orders

2020-03-20 Thread nettime's avid reader
[This is softly worded, but from what i understand, this is mandatory. If one is put under quaratine, one has to install this app which will send notification to take a selfie and submit it within not more than 20 minutes. This is more the Chinese approach. No social trust what so ever.]