nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Brian Holmes
On 05/05/2012 01:56 PM, Nicholas Knouf wrote: How does one take a principled stand against the repugnant policies of the Koch Bros., while also holding out the possibility that their philanthropic actions just_might_ cause some positive change in the world? I reckon it's close to impossible.

Re: nettime The insult of the 1 percent: Art-history majors

2012-05-06 Thread Armin Medosch
Hi, more semantic analysis I know this began as an anarchist mailing list but let's be honest about power and its sources, okay? Apart from the fact that I doubt that nettime ever was anarchist in any clear-cut way, although it always had an anarchistic streak, I find that phrase 'let's

nettime Wisconsin Report: hotly contested, no legitimacy at stake

2012-05-06 Thread Dan S. Wang
Dear Nettime: While the rest of the American left was out on May Day celebrating, trying to make something happen, or block business as usual, Occupy Madison marked the day by quietly closing down the encampment they¹d held for months. The fact that this development meant practically nothing to

nettime A Tribute to Ken Livingstone (Left Futures)

2012-05-06 Thread Patrice Riemens
from Michael Edwards: You will probably all know (while now we wait for crucial Greek, French etc elections) that we had some local elections in UK this week. The conservative and 'liberal-democrat' parties which make up the current national coalition government did very badly, Labour (even

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Sascha D. Freudenheim
This whole chain is increasingly silly. Because while Brian and others complain about things like... When people start defending the Koch borthers, or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, or privatized universities and museums because they're excellent and they have such good art, I admit it,

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Newmedia
Brian: If my dear friend Mark Stahlman were right, that is, if life in democratic societies were always and ever simply the rule of the powerful minority over the powerless majority, then another consequence must necessarily ensue. Thanks

Re: nettime The insult of the 1 percent: Art-history majors

2012-05-06 Thread Newmedia
Armin: I find that phrase 'let's be honest' highly problematic and just like 'complex' it serves a certain purpose of cutting discussions short. Not my intent at all. In fact, if you look at my let's be honest comment in context (i.e. the paragraph you took it from), you will see that

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Nicholas Knouf
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian, and others, Admire is a strong word. Admiration is for me something that happens only rarely. No, Brian, and others who might agree with his characterization of me, I do not admire Carnegie, Mellon, Rockefeller, Koch, Olin, or others. Their

Re: nettime The insult of the 1 percent: Art-history majors

2012-05-06 Thread Keith Sanborn
The phrase Let's be honest has strong echoes of what the relatively non-political Barthes says about Let's be frank…: it opens the door to stupidity or worse: to the naturalization of opinion as fact, I.e. reification. On May 6, 2012, at 2:59 AM, Armin Medosch ar...@easynet.co.uk wrote:

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread Brian Holmes
Hey Keith, good to hear from you. On 05/06/2012 05:50 AM, Keith Hart wrote: The first thing that stands out to me is that you identify your own role with that of a critic. There are other ways of engaging society and perhaps we should start with that. Which critics in history do you think made

Re: nettime Why I say the things I say

2012-05-06 Thread John Hopkins
jep... it's a circus ... ur in the center ring ... or maybe not ... wait, where's the tent? This whole chain is increasingly silly. Because while Brian and others complain about things like... well if you want real silliness, just wait until the energy sources that have been driving the